Re: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
Isn't this true of Bombay, Rangoon, Kampala, Nairobi, Aden, Calcutta, Colombo, and especially the 'White Town' in Pondicherry? This is true of cities which remained inegalitarian colonial paradise as long as their policies encouraged a priviledged few to enter and stay there in relative luxury. Could this state of affairs be maintained after the decolonisation process? And did not these islands of splendour in colonial nations depend on the immiseration of vast areas of the hinterland? Yes, these cities did crash in the 'sixties and thereafter (perhaps less perceptibly in the 1950s). But, to blame the inherent inability to maintain cleanliness on post-colonial times and a lack of the cleanliness gene in non-Europeans is unfair. True, there was a shortage of resources then (remember what happened when the rupee was not longer valued at seven to dollar?) It's easy to keep a city pristine when we have financial or other restrictions on the poor entering. Just as it's easy to keep a five star hotel clean as long as the prices keep out the average folk. I think if we want more such places that seem to be an oasis of luxury, we can hope to get the same soon. The nearest that reminded me of it was watching the airconditioners on six-storey monstrosities called hotels in the Calangute belt. These places never seem to have power failures, while we in neighbouring villages not only face regular power cuts at peak tourist season (Christmas was terrible!) but also get the tourist garbage dumped on our hillocks. FN 2009/12/30 philip pereira : > I left Karachi in 1959 - some 50 years ago and went back just a couple of > times - > once in 1972 and the 2nd in 1989. Prior to partition in 1947, Karachi was an > absolute paradise with just some 250,000 people. Had it remained this way, I > would > never have left. However, after partition, the population jumped to over > 3,000,000 > and, now, it must be close to 18,000,000. When I went there in 1989, it was > a total > disaster - overcrowded and filthy - and I vowed to never go back again - > which I > have not. -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://twitter.com/fn
Re: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
Interestingly two chaps with goan sounding names moved into our new Dubai community. When I asked one if he was Mangalorean or Goan he replied - "We are 100% Pakistani but our parents are of Goan origin." The guy actually sounded like he was boastingabout his present nationality! I would consider it a great misfortune if I had a Pakistani passport. It takes 2 weeks for them to know if their EU visa application has been approved! Now I will not be surprised if a Goan holding an Afghan or Somalian passport sounded proud about it. The soil you eat from does take a hold of you. Kind Regards, Ralph
Re: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
I left Karachi in 1959 - some 50 years ago and went back just a couple of times - once in 1972 and the 2nd in 1989. Prior to partition in 1947, Karachi was an absolute paradise with just some 250,000 people. Had it remained this way, I would never have left. However, after partition, the population jumped to over 3,000,000 and, now, it must be close to 18,000,000. When I went there in 1989, it was a total disaster - overcrowded and filthy - and I vowed to never go back again - which I have not. I expect to be in Goa from around Jan.11 until Mar.6 and probably will be staying around Margao. If you give me your phone number, perhaps, we could meet. Best wishes to you and yours for 2010 and God Bless. Philip. PS - I admire your perseverance in pursuing Karachi Goans. These are now all over the world, including the USA, Canada, England and Australia.
Re: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
Rico Was great yesterday Wendell On 29/12/2009, Frederick Noronha wrote: > MEETING... AND ADDING A FACE TO THE NAME (AND THE EMAILS) > > NOW, I SEE IT AS another lost cause. I just don't try to > convince people that I don't call myself "Fred" (my one-time > email ID). So, when I heard someone call out "Freddy", I > didn't protest.
Re: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
Thanks for the pictures, FN. It is nice to be able to put a face to a name. Mervyn1104Lobo - Original Message From: Frederick Noronha To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Mon, December 28, 2009 7:40:46 PM Subject: [Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails) MEETING... AND ADDING A FACE TO THE NAME (AND THE EMAILS) __ Get the name you've always wanted @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/
[Goanet] Meeting... and adding a face to the name (and the emails)
MEETING... AND ADDING A FACE TO THE NAME (AND THE EMAILS) NOW, I SEE IT AS another lost cause. I just don't try to convince people that I don't call myself "Fred" (my one-time email ID). So, when I heard someone call out "Freddy", I didn't protest. Turned out that Menin Rodrigues was there on time... all the way from Karachi. It was almost three... and I was almost late. We got talking -- not that I know much about Karachi -- and in no time, the Caldeira brothers showed up. So I put them in touch, interrupted only a little, and got down to checking out the place. Menin's card said: http://www.goansofpakistan.org and among other designations, it listed his role as founder-member, Board of Governors, St Patrick's College of Karachi and ditto for St Joseph's College, Karachi. He's president and CEO of SHAMROCK Communications (Pvt) Ltd, chairman of SHAMROCK conferences international, and honorary secretary of The Old Patricians (TOPS) Alumni. I didn't understand the last, but impressed I was. Hear Menin on the Karachi Goans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWPFJAuUF2U In a little while, Goa Director of Education and historian Dr Celsa Pinto showed up. So did the Sequeira Sisters (Lizanne Sequeira da Cunha and Ingrid Mascarenhas), who seemed relieved to find the few others at the ex-Karachi Goans meet. From what one overheard, they were sharing notes on the Goan settlements there, how these had changed, how the Cincinnatus Town had been renamed Garden East, and much more. By the end of it all, I heard them discuss the possibilities of making another visit to the place they called home, how easy or tough it was to get visas, and how a flight from Bombay to Karachi was just 75 minutes. But even as Goanetters started to trickle in for the 4 pm meet, we heard Caetano Filipe Colaco call out for assistance. His 96-year-old father-in-law, the legendary band-leader of the yesteryears, Micky Correa, had actually made it for the ex-Karachi Goans meet! This is what another website [http://bluerhythm.wordpress.com/] wrote in October 2009: While in Bombay, thanks to Christine Correa, we were able to spend a morning with Micky Correa. As the resident band leader at the Taj Hotel for 21 years, from the 1940s through the 1960s, he is a living repository of the era of Big Bands in Bombay. Micky memories include sessions with the diaspora of American jazz men who were featured at the Taj. Micky is among the last of band leaders from that era and has the distinction of being the first Indian band-leader at the Taj. Men and women mentored and groomed in Mickey's swing and lounge bands went on to lead bands of their own and/or earn handsome livings in Bollywood, including Chic Chocolate, Johnny Baptiste, Lucille Pacheco and others. Micky Correa turned 96 last week... would you believe it! And although he has not been able to play his baritone sax in many years, he can still pound out a tune on his piano Check out his photo here: The Sequeira Sisters -- Lizanne Sequeira da Cunha and Ingrid Mascarenhas (one a former Miss Goa of 1979) -- pose with the oldest ex-Karachi Goan at the meet, 96-year-old former music genius of the yesteryears, Micky Correa, who came specially for the ex-Karachi Goans meet. Photo copylefted by FN. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4222614152/ By this time, Rui Lobo was present, and offered some of his classic renditions of old Konkani songs on the guitar. Hear him effortlessly plucking his strings here (caution, not all Konkani, so no controversy please!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXLIufU7Jo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym5S5XzGIeA This was followed by a leisurely round of introductions. Among those present were (in order of the attendance sheet): Karachi Goan Menin Rodrigues, Goa Sudharop's George Pinto, pioneer musician of the yesteryears Micky Correa, Lizanne Sequeira da Cunha and Ingrid Mascarenhas, historian and education-director (Goa) Dr Celsa Pinto, Bonnie Fernandes of Siolim, former Speaker Tomazinho Cardozo, young management student of Ahmedabad Jason Monserrate (also of Goanet-Sports), ex-Loyola's Stanley Marchon and Joshua Marchon, GoaWeb founder Marlon Menezes, guitarist Vernon De Sa, guitar teacher Rui Lobo, engineer Caetano Filipe Colaco, Domnic P.F. Fernandes ('Domnic's Goa') of Anjuna, Vivian D. D'Souza of Socorro, Joe and Jackie Castelino of Gothenburg/Nerul, Basilio Monteiro of Merces, Lily and ex-RAFer Gabe Menezes of London, author-painter-academic Dr Savia Viegas of Carmona, and journalist Ashley D'Mello of Mumbai (Times of India). Also present were campaigner Roland Martins of Mapusa, prominent designer Wendell Rodricks of Colvale, humour writer Cecil Pinto, Margao-based engineer-t