[Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Soter writes: >Soter will continue to be communal for having once been a member of BJP until April 2002, but persons who brought about a tie-up of BJP and MGP in the late nineties and sat close to Manohar Parrikar in the Chambers of Commerce and Industry until Babush spoilt their construction plans in >2004 -2005 continue to be baptised as secular souls by a migrant publisher. Soter's hypocrisy is obvious because while he talks against the so called migrant publisher, he is associated with Peaceful society which is started by a Bihari migrant Kalanand Mani. This just means that throw some crumbs at Soter, and Soter's philosophy of being against migrants goes down the drain. So much for Soter's principles. Floriano has rightly mentioned that Soter should go live in a cave. It is high time for Bhuyarantlo Monis --- II. samir
Re: [Goanet] migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- >Hi Samir, I beg to differ. We can learn lessons from other places like Mumbai/Bangalore etc and find a Model that Goa/Goans can prosper; >without significant negativities. What do you differ about ? I am not for significant negativities, either. >Let us be creative & think outside the box; not copy/paste models from >other places which might not be suitable for Goa. We have been talking for decades now. Do you have any solution at hand ? Please put it down, if you have one. >Also you need to appreciate the word "Goan/Goans" that you keep referring to, which will not be relevant should we go for destructive approaches. But however if you wish that Goa be a more cosmopolitan state with Goan Identity having no relevance, then it is a different matter; but then at least have >the courage to stop using the word "GOAN" Goa and Goans are already cosmopolitan. Hasnt Dubai influenced your personality ? Thousands of Goans who are outside of Goa have got cosmpolitan influence. Can you put down the characteristics of Goan identity that you are talking about, before preaching me not to use the word Goan ? regards, Samir >Regards, >Arwin
[Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Rajan writes: >What does it take to strut around like Gandhian peacock anyway these days? Well, first buy a khadi shirt - you are 90% on your way to being "Gandhian." Then work on the remaining balance >of 10% by spinning yarns about what a compassionate cat you are. The guy who cannot string together three words without a sexual innuendo or a foul word, what caliber he has to talk on Gandhi ? The guy who has sucked up to the biggest war machinery in the world, the US govt, will he understand Gandhi ? Have mouth, will spill venom is what he does. Goans will show these fringe elements the door, there is no doubt about this. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Rajan writes: >You know >the condition of Mumbai and Bangalore today. This is the Bangalore is the crowing glory of shining India. Bangalore has shown the way for Indians to get out of poverty using things like IT. While every top Silicon Valley entreprneur is queuing to start the division of his company in Bangalore, this chauvinist person is spreading hatred. Whom is Rajan trying to fool ? The way Soter, and Rajan are preaching hate the next generation of Goans will have nothing left to do but get into prostitution and pimping. That seems to be the vision of these folks for Goa. samir
[Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- >The so-called Gandhian was given a dispassionate rebuttal in polite tones and his offer to arrange a meeting of me with the said Margao builder politely rebuffed. What's more, there >are independent witnesses to corroborate this account. Rajan, you expect people to believe your "politeness" bluff ? And who is your independent witness ? Soter, who doesnt have the guts to make direct allegations against me? The guy is a sore loser man, and his mind is full of poison against any positive steps for Goa. What positive things he is doing ? He has to still tell the world how by being susegaad, a Goan can make a living. I wont waste any more of my precious time on this junk. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Samir wrote: From what I heard, Rajan started abusing in public. We have seen this umpteen times, that when Rajan can't handle things, he turns on his most (im)potent weapon. It doesnt take much for him to do that. I say this is very very sad that Samir now resorts to mega lying like the mega builder's chamchas from margao and his migrant domesticated publisher. I was present for the program from beginning to end and was witness to everything. In the audience was Fr. Cleto the Parish priest of Grace Church who inaugurated the program. I am 300 percent sure that Rajan spoke in whispers in the last row and was damn civil and polite in his reply when the Gandhian appeared ruffled from the footages screened and broached the topic of the builder. I was sitted close to Rajan so I overheard the conversation. It was there that I understood the close nexus between some prominent activists from margao and the secular builders in Goa. -Soter D'Souza
Re: [Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- To Goanet - Mitigation of poverty in India (and around the world) is a moral imperative. This goes without saying (or writing) and is obvious to everyone except the phony poverty peacocks on Goanet. Importing migrant poverty into Goa is NOT going resolve the issue of poverty in India. All it will do is muck up Goa, the last idyll left in India. Furthermore, why should Goans bear the burden for the screw-ups of the rest of India? India has an infinite supply of the poor (look up the population of Bihar & UP and do the math assuming even a tiny fraction gets into Goa). Are we going to let them swamp us? Think of an image - a house designed for a family of 5. Right now it is bursting with 20. And at the rate things are going there will soon be 100 packed into that house, with the walls, the roof and every available square-inch taken up. It should not take you much to compute what would happen in this event. That house of 5 with 20 occupants is today Goa. 150 years ago it was Mumbai. 70 years ago it was Bangalore. You know the condition of Mumbai and Bangalore today. This is the story of India - take heaven and convert it into hell in next to no time. I just posted photographs of the Gaude farmers whose lives continue to be diminished with every passing day. None of the phony peacocks have any time for the poor Goans. Unlike the pliant ghatis there are no goodies to finagle by pretending to be their benefactors. What does it take to strut around like Gandhian peacock anyway these days? Well, first buy a khadi shirt - you are 90% on your way to being "Gandhian." Then work on the remaining balance of 10% by spinning yarns about what a compassionate cat you are. Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Hi Soter, I have slowly come to believe that our Goan people are like the folks in Nazareth. It was the ones in Nazareth, his townspeople who though less of him. May sense dawn upon those afflicted with "locked-jaw," and may they see you in a different light. venantius j pinto > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:48:35 +0530 > From: "soter" > To: > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Migrant issue > > (del) > Soter will continue to be communal for having once been a member of BJP > until April 2002, but persons who brought about a tie-up of BJP and MGP in > the late nineties and sat close to Manohar Parrikar in the Chambers of > Commerce and Industry until Babush spoilt their construction plans in > 2004 -2005 continue to be baptised as secular souls by a migrant > publisher. > Then, every one had overnight put on their robes of 'Nitoll Jinn' to > embarass Manohar Parrikar. > (del) > -Soter > >
Re: [Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- To Goanet - Samir Kelekar fantasizes: >From what I heard, Rajan started abusing in public. After confessing that he is insignificant and irrelevant in Goa, Samir Kelekar now reveals that he also has hearing problems. The so-called Gandhian was given a dispassionate rebuttal in polite tones and his offer to arrange a meeting of me with the said Margao builder politely rebuffed. What's more, there are independent witnesses to corroborate this account. r
[Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- >He began convincing Rajan about how good one real estate developer was until Rajan slammed him >with some facts. >From what I heard, Rajan started abusing in public. We have seen this umpteen times, that when Rajan can't handle things, he turns on his most (im)potent weapon. It doesnt take much for him to do that. regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet] Migrant issue
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Very interesting choices offered to Arwin by Samir Kelekar, choose between Mining or Migrants. Ha, Ha! It is obvious why he ignores an equally devastating activity called Construction and real estate. This is from where several prominent secular activists get their cakes and snacks. I cannot forget the scene at Grace Church hall in Margao after the screening of Rajan's documentary 'Rape of Goa'. A so called secular Gandhian from margao was enjoying the mining scenes but became restless when it came to real estate and construction in and around Salcette. He began convincing Rajan about how good one real estate developer was until Rajan slammed him with some facts. Goa is a small place. The RP 2011 game may be the last for these master manipulators that have time and again succeeded in arousing the emotions of Goans for their personal gains. Things have become too obvious. Only fools could fall prey to cock and bull stories about "Save Goa'. Soter will continue to be communal for having once been a member of BJP until April 2002, but persons who brought about a tie-up of BJP and MGP in the late nineties and sat close to Manohar Parrikar in the Chambers of Commerce and Industry until Babush spoilt their construction plans in 2004 -2005 continue to be baptised as secular souls by a migrant publisher. Then, every one had overnight put on their robes of 'Nitoll Jinn' to embarass Manohar Parrikar. Want more about the brains and motives behind the anti-RP 2011 frenzy of December 2006? We know it. -Soter
[Goanet] Migrant issue: from a bhailo in Bangalore
I am a bhailo in Bangalore. I dont know Kannada except for a few words such as "kannada gottila" (which means I dont know Kannada). But trust me, I have got so much love and affection in Bangalore --- no one ever called me a bhailo, that I feel I am a Bangalorean now. I dont deny my Goan-ness. I have faced all kinds of situations in Bangalore. Joblessness and having a job; love and breaking of the heart, death of close friends --- things I didnt face in Goa. After all, I left Goa when I was hardly 16. Any place is your experiences after all. Even for Goans in the Gulf and elsewhere, it is the experiences that they had in Goa in their childhood which is Goa for them. I have had similar childhood and adolescent experiences in Goa and surely that is what Goa is for me. But I cant deny that Bangalore is also for me the experiences that I have had in Bangalore. So, sort of I am a part Goan and a part Bangalorean. If any Gulfie Goan looks deep into his/her heart, I am sure he will realize he is part Goan and part Gulfie. And similarly for Canadian Goans, or American Goans. 1) Why deny the Gulfie, American part? 2) Why deny to those who are migrants to Goa their Goan experiences? Mog Asundi! regards, Samir
