Re: [Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Goanet joins Noel Rebello to raise money for Daddy's Home (Margao, Goa) Sponsor Noel as he climbs Mt. Kilimanjaro (5,882m or 19,298 ft) Make a donation at www.Goanet.org, click on MAKE A DONATION, state "Daddy's Home" in the Donation comments For more information see: http://bit.ly/SupportDaddysHome --- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Few things to note: 1. I am not surprised that the finch brain got suckered into my trap. This is exactly what I mean by 'lure the sucker and then go for the kill'. Its a common chess strategy. Obviously the finch brain has several million more years to evolve to the human level. 2. I was looking for three suckers, but I should be content with two for now. 3. Did the finch brain genuinely think I was going to drop $100 for some simple information that a 10 year old can lift from the email headers? I could see they were struggling to find me in Germany yesterday. Hello ??? I am in New York :) . Jim F New York. --- On Mon, 9/20/10, Santosh Helekar wrote: > From: Santosh Helekar > Subject: Re: [Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English > To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" > Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 2:17 AM --- > This is getting pretty embarrassing for the poster posting > from amigo...@att.net. > He keeps boasting that he is too smart compared to other > Goanetters like me, and that he is exercising his great > genius in playing a highly intellectual game that we cannot > figure out. The truth of course is exactly the opposite. > > Already all of his earlier braggadocious claims have been > shot down as useless duds. This time everyone ought to be > able to see that he is trying to cover up the fact that he > goofed up rather foolishly on his various IP address claims, > and lost badly in the process. This can be easily > demonstrated in this way. He claimed earlier the following: > ... ...
Re: [Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Goanet joins Noel Rebello to raise money for Daddy's Home (Margao, Goa) Sponsor Noel as he climbs Mt. Kilimanjaro (5,882m or 19,298 ft) Make a donation at www.Goanet.org, click on MAKE A DONATION, state "Daddy's Home" in the Donation comments For more information see: http://bit.ly/SupportDaddysHome --- This is getting pretty embarrassing for the poster posting from amigo...@att.net. He keeps boasting that he is too smart compared to other Goanetters like me, and that he is exercising his great genius in playing a highly intellectual game that we cannot figure out. The truth of course is exactly the opposite. Already all of his earlier braggadocious claims have been shot down as useless duds. This time everyone ought to be able to see that he is trying to cover up the fact that he goofed up rather foolishly on his various IP address claims, and lost badly in the process. This can be easily demonstrated in this way. He claimed earlier the following: QUOTE 3. He can get access to the sender's IP address. For those who are not familiar with what this is, the IP is an unique identifier that can be traced to the sender. When the emails are routed via the GoaNet distribution list, the original IP is masked and replaced by GoaNet's own IP. This is private information and should not be divulged to third parties and GoaNet is doing the right thing here. UNQUOTE .Jim Fernandes Then when his IP address was revealed by Mervyn from his Goanet post he changed his tune and claimed the following: QUOTE Finally, when you put together all the four tokens that made up the IP address, all the email header did, is gave you the "public" IP. As it's name implies, this IP is open for anyone to see and you can't do CRAP with it. This is akin to someone saying, "Hey look, I found your zipcode" UNQUOTE .Jim Fernandes And now he tells us that he has "spoofed" his IP to create a fake IP address. Any sensible person would be able to see through this silly facade, and ask the following questions: 1. If Goanet can mask the IP address then why does he have to "spoof" his IP to create a fake IP address? 2. Which of his following contradictory claims is he standing by? A. "the IP is an unique identifier that can be traced to the sender." .Jim Fernandes B. "As it's name implies, this IP is open for anyone to see and you can't do CRAP with it." .Jim Fernandes C. "When the emails are routed via the GoaNet distribution list, the original IP is masked and replaced by GoaNet's own IP. This is private information and should not be divulged to third parties and GoaNet is doing the right thing here." .Jim Fernandes Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 9/19/10, Jim Fernandes wrote: > > > Back from my vacation and thought I'd put these suckers in > place once and for good ... > > It is no coincidence that some people have their brains > running at a very low processing capacity. Therefore, it is > expected to see some of these brains running at the level as > that of a finch - which goes to prove that these guys can't > even understand that I am playing a little chess game with > them! > > By the time their brain evolves to the level of a Homo > sapien (modern), the smart guys on the block would have > already made the finch research look obsolete - by using the > so called stem cells, gene therapy and other regenerative > medicine. > > For the benefit of doubters, I have deliberately spoofed my > IP ... > [ Information removed ] > > The public IP on this email is going to be a randomly > selected IP . With this fake public IP, please go find me in > Germany or Dallas or Chicago or some such place - while I > sit in New York and go about my daily business. > > Let me say this once again - everything on the INTERNET can > be cooked. This is just a simple example of how things can > be made to look. > > If you wish to know how I did it . > [ Information removed due to concerns raised by admin team > ] > > Now please go ahead and send the $100 to GoaNet :) . > > Jim F > New York. > > >
Re: [Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Goanet joins Noel Rebello to raise money for Daddy's Home (Margao, Goa) Sponsor Noel as he climbs Mt. Kilimanjaro (5,882m or 19,298 ft) Make a donation at www.Goanet.org, click on MAKE A DONATION, state "Daddy's Home" in the Donation comments For more information see: http://bit.ly/SupportDaddysHome --- My previous response on this email was rejected by GoaNet Admin team, because it contained pointed information on how to cover one's tracks on the INTERNET. I am re-submitting my response after removing the concerned information. However, if one wishes, they can verify the header information on this email and come to their own conclusions. - Jim -- Back from my vacation and thought I'd put these suckers in place once and for good ... It is no coincidence that some people have their brains running at a very low processing capacity. Therefore, it is expected to see some of these brains running at the level as that of a finch - which goes to prove that these guys can't even understand that I am playing a little chess game with them! By the time their brain evolves to the level of a Homo sapien (modern), the smart guys on the block would have already made the finch research look obsolete - by using the so called stem cells, gene therapy and other regenerative medicine. For the benefit of doubters, I have deliberately spoofed my IP ... [ Information removed ] The public IP on this email is going to be a randomly selected IP . With this fake public IP, please go find me in Germany or Dallas or Chicago or some such place - while I sit in New York and go about my daily business. Let me say this once again - everything on the INTERNET can be cooked. This is just a simple example of how things can be made to look. If you wish to know how I did it . [ Information removed due to concerns raised by admin team ] Now please go ahead and send the $100 to GoaNet :) . Jim F New York. --- On Fri, 9/3/10, Santosh Helekar wrote: > From: Santosh Helekar > Subject: Re: [Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English > To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" > Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 6:25 AM > --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Jim Fernandes > > wrote: > > > > Finally, when you put together all the four tokens > that > > made up the IP address, all the email header did, is > gave > > you the "public" IP. As it's name implies, this IP is > open > > for anyone to see and you can't do CRAP with it. This > is > > akin to someone saying, "Hey look, I found your > zipcode" > > !!! > > > > The above claim is misleading, as is the rest of this post. > The IP address of any computer connected to the internet is > by definition a public IP address. The so-called private IP > addresses are reserved only for private intranets. It is the > public IP address that reveals your geographical location or > at least the geographical location of your local internet > service provider. The private IP address is useless. It does > not reveal your location or that of your ISP at all. It is > simply an assignment of a local address for your computer in > your own local intranet, such as your office or home > network. > > In other words, it is the public IP address that uniquely > identifies your computer on the internet at any given time. > No two computers anywhere in the world would have the same > public IP address at the same time. If your public IP > address is static, it will be the same each time you connect > to the internet. If it is a dynamic IP address then it will > change each time you connect to the internet. So a public IP > address at any given time is not like a zip code at all. > > So once again, there is no doubt that Mervyn won the $100 > challenge. > > Cheers, > > Santosh >
Re: [Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Jim Fernandes wrote: > > Finally, when you put together all the four tokens that > made up the IP address, all the email header did, is gave > you the "public" IP. As it's name implies, this IP is open > for anyone to see and you can't do CRAP with it. This is > akin to someone saying, "Hey look, I found your zipcode" > !!! > The above claim is misleading, as is the rest of this post. The IP address of any computer connected to the internet is by definition a public IP address. The so-called private IP addresses are reserved only for private intranets. It is the public IP address that reveals your geographical location or at least the geographical location of your local internet service provider. The private IP address is useless. It does not reveal your location or that of your ISP at all. It is simply an assignment of a local address for your computer in your own local intranet, such as your office or home network. In other words, it is the public IP address that uniquely identifies your computer on the internet at any given time. No two computers anywhere in the world would have the same public IP address at the same time. If your public IP address is static, it will be the same each time you connect to the internet. If it is a dynamic IP address then it will change each time you connect to the internet. So a public IP address at any given time is not like a zip code at all. So once again, there is no doubt that Mervyn won the $100 challenge. Cheers, Santosh --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Jim Fernandes wrote: > To those who care to know: > > Here is a quick explanation in plain English on what I did. > There was nothing magical or nothing high-tech (though I > could have used a more complicated method) to hide my real > IP. > > Devices known as routers, are used to route INTERNET > traffic using a protocol known as IPv4. This is made up of > four numbers separated by dots, such as n.n.n.n . This > combination of numbers is also known as IP, where 'n' is a > number going from 0 to 255. Each of the positions in the 'n' > is also known as a 'token'. So in an IP, there are four > tokens. Due to heavy consumption of IP addresses, the > protocol is now being upgraded to IPv6. > > What our friend Mervyn "Jack-Of-All-Trades-Master-Of-None" > Lobo (AKA JOATMON), has published on GoaNet, is what is > known as 'public' IP. Everyone who connects to the INTERNET, > gets one. Whether you can trace that IP from the email > header to an actual person, depends on how the INTERNET > connection was actually made and how the email was sent. > > There are at least two methods that I know of, where one > can hide his/her identity when sending emails: > > 1. By accessing webmail - that is, to directly connect to > the email provider's website and using it without a program > such as Outlook. This is the simplest method to use. > > 2. By using proxy servers - you need to make special > technical arrangements to use this method. > > I used the first method because I wanted to lure the sucker > into a trap. Had I used the second method, JOATMON would > have been completely lost and would have made it easy for > him to logically walk away from my trap. > > So lets drill down a bit more, to see what he actually > found. > > He published my IP as : 74.101.150.10 > Internet Service Provider: Verizon Internet Services > Location: Latitude : > 41.03 > Longitude > : -73.7733 > Zipcode > : 10601 / WP / NY / US > > If you go click onto the link at > http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp > and punch in the above IP "74.101.150.10" and click on > "Lookup" - you would see all of the above information. > > Now, instead of '10' in the last token of the IP, if you > put numbers going from '0' to '255' in the IP lookup, you > would still get the same / similar information. > > So, the question becomes, how good is this information? > > To get a better understanding, let me drill this public IP > a bit further. > > The first two tokens in the public IP ( 74.101 ), > identifies the owner of the network - In this case, a > company named Verizon. This is a huge company with millions > of customers, so obviously their network is large. To better > manage the traffic, these networks are logically sub-divided > into smaller sub-networks or subnets. > > The third token in the public IP ( 150 ), identifies one > such subnet. The coordinates for Latitudes and Longitudes > that you see above, is the general location of the subnet - > if not, it is the address where the company has listed the > subnet's location in the corporate directory structure. > > This address, has nothing to do with customer's actual > location. In fact, my real zipcode is 10606 (not 10601 as > shown above). One can easily verify this from the US postal > service. > > Finally, when you put together all the four tokens that > made up the IP address, all the email header did
[Goanet] My $100 Challenge - Tech Explanation In Simple English
To those who care to know: Here is a quick explanation in plain English on what I did. There was nothing magical or nothing high-tech (though I could have used a more complicated method) to hide my real IP. Devices known as routers, are used to route INTERNET traffic using a protocol known as IPv4. This is made up of four numbers separated by dots, such as n.n.n.n . This combination of numbers is also known as IP, where 'n' is a number going from 0 to 255. Each of the positions in the 'n' is also known as a 'token'. So in an IP, there are four tokens. Due to heavy consumption of IP addresses, the protocol is now being upgraded to IPv6. What our friend Mervyn "Jack-Of-All-Trades-Master-Of-None" Lobo (AKA JOATMON), has published on GoaNet, is what is known as 'public' IP. Everyone who connects to the INTERNET, gets one. Whether you can trace that IP from the email header to an actual person, depends on how the INTERNET connection was actually made and how the email was sent. There are at least two methods that I know of, where one can hide his/her identity when sending emails: 1. By accessing webmail - that is, to directly connect to the email provider's website and using it without a program such as Outlook. This is the simplest method to use. 2. By using proxy servers - you need to make special technical arrangements to use this method. I used the first method because I wanted to lure the sucker into a trap. Had I used the second method, JOATMON would have been completely lost and would have made it easy for him to logically walk away from my trap. So lets drill down a bit more, to see what he actually found. He published my IP as: 74.101.150.10 Internet Service Provider: Verizon Internet Services Location: Latitude : 41.03 Longitude : -73.7733 Zipcode : 10601 / WP / NY / US If you go click onto the link at http://www.whatismyip.com/tools/ip-address-lookup.asp and punch in the above IP "74.101.150.10" and click on "Lookup" - you would see all of the above information. Now, instead of '10' in the last token of the IP, if you put numbers going from '0' to '255' in the IP lookup, you would still get the same / similar information. So, the question becomes, how good is this information? To get a better understanding, let me drill this public IP a bit further. The first two tokens in the public IP ( 74.101 ), identifies the owner of the network - In this case, a company named Verizon. This is a huge company with millions of customers, so obviously their network is large. To better manage the traffic, these networks are logically sub-divided into smaller sub-networks or subnets. The third token in the public IP ( 150 ), identifies one such subnet. The coordinates for Latitudes and Longitudes that you see above, is the general location of the subnet - if not, it is the address where the company has listed the subnet's location in the corporate directory structure. This address, has nothing to do with customer's actual location. In fact, my real zipcode is 10606 (not 10601 as shown above). One can easily verify this from the US postal service. Finally, when you put together all the four tokens that made up the IP address, all the email header did, is gave you the "public" IP. As it's name implies, this IP is open for anyone to see and you can't do CRAP with it. This is akin to someone saying, "Hey look, I found your zipcode" !!! Wow, really? Good luck with that. With the public IP - which by the way, you can randomly get even at an INTERNET cafe, you cannot trace me - which is what my challenge was about. Unless you go to court and prove criminal activities on my part - nobody will give you my true identity. Had I gone to an INTERNET cafe with a fake ID and created a fake email address and then sent out the email, you wouldn't be able to find me even with a court order !!! So, essentially, Mervyn "Jack-Of-All-Trades-Master-Of-None" Lobo lost the challenge. The fact, that I stacked the challenge with heavy odds against him, is another story. But that's what suckers do - they fall for it. Had I used the second method (known as access via proxy), which is often the method hackers use to spoof even the publicly assigned IP, it would be unlikely to trace even the public IP, unless he had a special team working 24/7 from either the NSA or CIA or FBI to track me down. Jim F New York. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Now available in Toronto, a few copies of *Into The Diaspora Wilderness* by Selma Carvalho. Contact Bosco D'Mello bo...@goanet.org (416) 803-7264 http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
