Re: [Goanet] Mystical experiences in Goa
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:43:06 +0530 From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in The 'psychedelic experiences' are not MYSTICAL EXPERIENCES of which we are speaking in the discussion of Carmelite nuns and Dr.Mario Beauregard. Richard Dawkins also tried it, but did not succeed. Dr.Santosh will not have the MYSTICAL EXPERIENCES, as we are discussing... Mario responds: Padre Ivo, If Dr. Beauregard cannot make Santosh have mystical experiences like the Carmelite nuns then his theory is bogus, because God does not distinguish between Santosh and the Carmelite nuns - they are all his children made in his image. I learned that in Catechism class. I think Dr. Beauregard may be hypnotizing those poor nuns, or giving them a lot of feni before testing them, which is guaranteed to create mystical experiences:-)) I doubt he can hypnotize Santosh or get him drunk either:-)) BTW, I cannot remember what your theory is anymore, because I remember you agreed several weeks ago that the existence of God cannot be proven or disproven by science. Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:54:50 +0530 From: Fr. Ivo C. de Souza icso...@bsnl.in Re: [Goanet] RELIGION AND SCIENCE Science is Science and Religion is Religion. There is no conflict between Science and Religion. Mario asks: Arre, baba, you are chasing your tail, no? If there is no conflict between science and religion then why is it not possible to prove the existence of God by science? If there is no conflict between religion and science then why are you metaphorically wrestling in the mud with Santosh over the conflict between science and religion? Fr. Ivo wrote: But the basis of Christianity is historical, therefore it can be confirmed through historical, scientific, archaeological, cultural tools. Mario asks: So, Fr. Ivo, Can you specify which of these tools you have listed were used to confirm the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection of Christ, His Ascension into Heaven, and the Assumption of Mary into Heaven? While you are at it please explain the scientific explanation for what is the Holy Trinity. Also, can you explain when the Gospels were written relative to the date of Christ's death, by whom they were written, in what language, and why certain Gospels were accepted and others were rejected? Was all this done scientifically? Now, for me to understand, please use standard English, because I can't understand the version that says up is down and black is white and religion is not in conflict with science.
Re: [Goanet] Mystical experiences in Goa
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If you and cloistered Carmelite nuns can have the same kinds of mystical experiences when your brains are stimulated then Dr. Beauregard and Fr. Ivo are going to endlessly claim that you may have been a Carmelite nun in your previous incarnation and are moving backwards on the path to Rama:-)) Mario, By Jove, I think you've got it! Mystical experiences can be elicited by a variety of natural means in normal people. Besides electrical stimulation there are other artificial means of evoking them. Indeed, there is a treasure trove of psychedelic literature on mystical experiences that people have had in Goa ***Totally wrong. I am not discussing about the experiences that can be triggered by the neuroscientist, but by the 'mystical experiences' which can be recorded in the brain. The 'psychedelic experiences' are not MYSTICAL EXPERIENCES of which we are speaking in the discussion of Carmelite nuns and Dr.Mario Beauregard. Richard Dawkins also tried it, but did not succeed. Dr.Santosh will not have the MYSTICAL EXPERIENCES, as we are discussing... Regards. Fr.Ivo
[Goanet] Mystical experiences in Goa
Remembering Aquino Braganca (b. 6 April 1924), who fought for freedom of the former Portuguese colonies in Africa. An online tribute http://aquinobraganca.wordpress.com/ (includes many historical references, some photographs and documents) --- On Tue, 4/7/09, Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: If you and cloistered Carmelite nuns can have the same kinds of mystical experiences when your brains are stimulated then Dr. Beauregard and Fr. Ivo are going to endlessly claim that you may have been a Carmelite nun in your previous incarnation and are moving backwards on the path to Rama:-)) Mario, By Jove, I think you've got it! Mystical experiences can be elicited by a variety of natural means in normal people. Besides electrical stimulation there are other artificial means of evoking them. Indeed, there is a treasure trove of psychedelic literature on mystical experiences that people have had in Goa. Here is a nice description of one such experience: QUOTE Visualize yourself dancing for hours without interruption, overflowing with bliss. Suddenly, that, which you've believed until than represented reality to you, explodes into a world of psychedelic imagery and leaves you within swirling energy patterns, that appear everywhere throughout matter. And when the world starts to glow, you've somehow recognized the symbols, that lead to specific reactions and caused an entire universe to tremble into pieces, unfolding itself anew from within. The world and the suffering of the body are swallowed by a raging kundalliny, down into a silent abyss of darkness. That, which lies beyond death holds the space for the suns of our souls to shine forth in limitless freedom. After you've passed through the gateway of your delusory fears and have surrendered all false self images to the ONE among the many, you gladly exchange your entire life for that one eternal moment you've just experienced! In fact, it would be a worthless life without having starred into the eyes of eternnces will carry you directly into the arms of the infinite. Once tapped into the ultimate and formless life-potential, that exists within each of us, anything one imagines, creates itself instantaneously by thought. That's why it works that when through certain sounds and/or subliminal messages memories are retrieved, one (re)lives certain experiences and/or (re)learns from them. Generally it is good to live through as many incarnations as possible during a night of dance, before arriving at sunrise, hopefully unified. Once purified, you can join in the dance of the celestial beings within the kingdom of the ultimate and enjoy the freedom of existing anywhere, anytime simultaneously. You can enter the universal mind-lattice once your body/mind is completely relaxed, transparent. It happens the moment pure energy moves through you. It moves you! Through the vibrating sound movements in the music with the golden light that opens the door to the galactic insight, you can travel far across and throughout space. Boundaries of time dissolve and unfolding entities present themselves as an opening to the interface, to carry you in between dimensions, free of personal intentions. UNQUOTE More later. Cheers, Santosh
