Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roland-- The same broken record that referred to Goans as bottler ani cuziners. I merely sought to point out that ahyas were missing from that record. You might have been living in a vacuum if you did not hear the term widely used in India after the Goan "liberation!" I trust you found Paulo Colaco Dias' earlier contribution to this debate illuminating - Original Message - From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers > > http://www.GOANET.org > > >This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro > > If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: > > Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Chris, > Would you please elaborate which record you are referring to? > Cheers > Roland. > > On 2/24/07, Chris Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nehru's quote is incompletely stated. For the record he referred to >> Goans >> (derisively, I believe) as "Ayas, butlers and cooks" -- ABCs.
[Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All, With malice towards none of the participants, this topic has become like a "seven year itch." Can we end this subject? Kind Regards, GL --- From: "Roland Francis" Chris, Would you please elaborate which record you are referring to? Cheers Roland. On 2/24/07, Chris Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nehru's quote is incompletely stated. For the record he referred to Goans > (derisively, I believe) as "Ayas, butlers and cooks" -- ABCs.
Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers
http://www.GOANET.org This month's Goanet operations sponsored by Mrs. Daisy Faleiro If you would like to sponsor Goanet's operations contact: Herman Carneiro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris, Would you please elaborate which record you are referring to? Cheers Roland. On 2/24/07, Chris Vaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nehru's quote is incompletely stated. For the record he referred to Goans > (derisively, I believe) as "Ayas, butlers and cooks" -- ABCs.
Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nehru's quote is incompletely stated. For the record he referred to Goans (derisively, I believe) as "Ayas, butlers and cooks" -- ABCs.
Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] <> Did Crocker also say Nehru called Goans cooks and butlers? That's the issue being discussed here, I guess. -- RKN
Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers, IIT and Maths
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nehru - A Contemporary's Estimate (by Sir Walter Crocker - Oxford University Press 1966) makes for some interesting reading - especially with regards to Goa. Sir Walter Crocker was the Australian Ambassador to India during the period, and recently passed away aged 100. "Sir Walter saw through the pretence of peacefulness adopted by Nehru and his successors and correctly forecast Indias development of nuclear weapons." - http://www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters/crocker.htm My own copy of the book has come from San Mateo County Library (USA). Perhaps Carmo D'Cruz has one lying in his vast garage (big enough for a trio of ponies?), and he would do better by reading it. Gabriel. --- Jose Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19/02/07, CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Bosco, ...'We have had that stigma for over > 50 years now - when > Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru proclaimed to the > nation and the world after > Goa Liberation Day "Today we got Goa - the land of > cooks and butlers" > > > I must confess that maths was not a subject taught > at GMC. The above > statement is possibly based on rusty IIT maths. > > If Nehru said/proclaimed : 'Goans, cooks, butlers > etc' over 50 years ago, > and if this proclamation was after Dec 19, 1961 > Then, we must presently be in the year 2011-2. > > Bravo IIT. I always knew that you taught Maths > differentlybut this > differently? > > Now, Nehru did use those three words (i.e. Goans, > cooks, butlers) in one > sentence. The sentence (as reported by those who > went to see him) is NOT as > K3 has constructed it. > > The inference, however, is the same i.e. Goans are > only cooks and butlers. > No need for them to decide on their future. It has > to be decided for them. > > And what did the "Freedom Fighters" do when they > heard these comments ? > > It is reported that they came back to Goa "quite > disappointed". Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Nehru, Goans, Cooks, Butlers, IIT and Maths
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Flat for Sale: Mapuca, Goa (Ansabhat) - 10 min walk to Mapuca Market 2 Bedroom-Living-Dining-Kitchen-Bath-Balcony-Terrazo Floors Great Investment - Winter Getaway Asking Canadian $ 31,500/- or Indian Rs 10 lakhs Contact Rosario Fernandes - [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 19/02/07, CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Bosco, ...'We have had that stigma for over 50 years now - when Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru proclaimed to the nation and the world after Goa Liberation Day "Today we got Goa - the land of cooks and butlers" I must confess that maths was not a subject taught at GMC. The above statement is possibly based on rusty IIT maths. If Nehru said/proclaimed : 'Goans, cooks, butlers etc' over 50 years ago, and if this proclamation was after Dec 19, 1961 Then, we must presently be in the year 2011-2. Bravo IIT. I always knew that you taught Maths differentlybut this differently? Now, Nehru did use those three words (i.e. Goans, cooks, butlers) in one sentence. The sentence (as reported by those who went to see him) is NOT as K3 has constructed it. The inference, however, is the same i.e. Goans are only cooks and butlers. No need for them to decide on their future. It has to be decided for them. And what did the "Freedom Fighters" do when they heard these comments ? It is reported that they came back to Goa "quite disappointed". Many years later .the Govt of Goa was to produce a Video CD starring Ramesh Deo. This VCD which was full of Bondollam, was funded by the Goa Govt. It was later withdrawn after the 'bogus facts' were exposed by (inter alia) Miguel Braganza et al. K3 may wish to research and advise Which Goan was the brain behind this bogus VideoCD. jc for your reading pleasure : http://www.colaco.net/1/GoaNiz.htm
