[Goanet] Our future King has Indian blood
The British were in India for about two centuries and when they withdrew in 1947, they left behind about 300,000 Anglo-Indians meaning people of mixed racial background , part British and part Indian. Our Goanet literati can write volumes about them but when it comes to Mestisos of mixed Portuguese and Goan unions we tend to remain silent. The Portuguese colonials mostly of desterrado type lived in Goa for about three and half centuries from 1510 to 1869 ( the year Suez canal was thrown open for navigation and Portuguese women could safely travel to Goa ) and had out of sheer necessity to cohabit with Goan women and thus produce a mixed race called Mestiso. Nowadays hardly anyone in Goa claim to be of Mestiso origin and yet we cannot pretend they did not exist amongst us. Not all of them could have left for Portugal in 1961.Hence it would be interesting to know of their whereabouts. May be a Goanetter could throw some light on the subject.
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JC never fails to run true to form - this is what we like so much about him and his MBBS (Mutual B- Back Scratchers) buddy Santosh Helekar, also resurfacing to bait Gilbert. Yes, both buddies are master baiters! = From: goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org Subject: Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 379 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 22:58:46 -0400 From: Jose Colaco cola...@gmail.com To: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com, dian blood... Message-ID: 9e4092e0-0aa8-43c6-bf02-028cf8a3f...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: Will Englebert Humperdink (Anglo-Indian) be lined up to sing at the celebration of the birth of third-in-line? Comment: 1: how did Englebert become Anglo-Indian? Were any of his parents or their's Not British British? 2: and what, if I may ask is the origin of the surname Lawrence? Could it be Anglo-Indian? jc --
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This has happened before and won't be the last time on goanet either.. When someone slips... there are n number of reasons to justify them, like the below 'stirring the pot', whatever.. But one thing is for sure... I did not see from all the responses from Gabe that, he was all worked up or violent! The rain has bought much relief now from all the heat of last week... Now that the Urak time is over...can expect something better:-) hAVE a nICE dAY! Seb Gabe: RESPONSE: I do neither need an apology, nor expect one; things written in a haste makes waste moment - one too many Kops? Having said that, I am more than surprised that a practitioner of the English Language and a Tutor of some repute (?) could have to badly misconstrued what was written. Someone's slip is showing(THAT'S NOT FAIR) Oh what the heck, in for the ride! If we have to spoon feed, then it would be taken that we are being, more than patronising, for goodness sake, an upper supreme English Maestro, should have read better? From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com Hey Venny, goanet was getting a bit boring so I just thought of stirring the pot a bit. It worked. ;-) The fact that some loonies can't tell sheet from sat is not my fault. What say? Heh heh... But as you say let me apologize: Dear Gabe I'm really sorry that I got on your nerves and made you get all worked up and violent. Do accept my sincere apologies Cheers Augusto
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Mogal Bosco, I am not very sure HOW your 'wiki-quote' answers the 'AngloIndian' query asked in 1 (infra). The pre-1900 nomenclature notwithstanding, is every child born in India to English parents classified as Anglo Indian? Surnames like Catarina, Julia and Jerónimo? BTW: while I know that some Goans in British India with Portuguese surnames reportedly Anglicized their surnames ie Ferns (Fernandes), Sawyer (Soares), are you sure that ALL the Lawrences from India or British India are, in fact, Lourencos from Goa? Have a good day jc .. Re: 1: how did Englebert become Anglo-Indian? Were any of his parents or their's Not British British? 2: and what, if I may ask is the origin of the surname Lawrence? Could it be Anglo-Indian? Bosco D bos...@gmail.com wrote: RESPONDED 1 - Engelbert Humperdinck (born Arnold George Dorsey; 2 May 1936). Arnold Dorsey was born in Madras, India, as one of ten children to British Army NCO Mervyn Dorsey and his wife Olive. Dorsey's family moved to Leicester, England, when he was ten. [1] 2 - The oft quoted on Goanet, Leo Lawrence, author of Nehru seizes Goa comes to mind. He was no Anglo-Indian. For various reasons, Goans likely anglicised their (sur)names: Jose became Joseph Catarina became Catherine Jeronimo became Jerome Julia became Juliet Lourenco became Lawrence
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The our was for UK ( pic of the future king, presently Prince William, was enclosed ) On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com wrote: *augusto pinto* pintogoa at gmail.com goanet%40lists.goanet.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BGoanet%5D%20%20Our%20future%20King%20has%20Indian%20blood...In-Reply-To=%3CCABzMD-VE5oopE-7eojKt85vXJ6RNHXCqHj6yvqJAU_qR--gsog%40mail.gmail.com%3Eon *Sat Jun 15 08:34:29 PDT 2013* wrote: May I inform the Hon. Shri Gabe Menezes Esq. that India is a Republic and Goa is part of it, and thus, not being a monarchy we cannot have a future or current King or Queen unless Britain intends to colonize India all over again. No apologies are necessary or expected from Shri Gabeji for putting his foot in his mouth. Best,Augusto RESPONSE: When India attained the form of a Republic, Goa was not part of it. Gabe has not stated anywhere that WE are to have a future King or Queen. Don't see rationale why Gabe needs to apologise. Only Indians squat when dining that their foot reaches their mouth. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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On 15 June 2013 16:34, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote: Gabe Menezes wrote in Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 375 to say that Our future King has Indian blood. May I inform the Hon. Shri Gabe Menezes Esq. that India is a Republic and Goa is part of it, and thus, not being a monarchy we cannot have a future or current King or Queen unless Britain intends to colonize India all over again. No apologies are necessary or expected from Shri Gabeji for putting his foot in his mouth. Best, Augusto RESPONSE: What have you been smoking or drinking? My post was just as an information piece, nothing to do with INDIA, I am a citizen of the U.K. and I referred to our future King; I did neither offer nor proffer any advice. My foot is reserved for your backside. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
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Not very sure what got Xri Pinto all so worked up. From what I see, Gabe merely posted an article from DM. Xri Pinto, as long as you are there (at least), Nobody is applying to your King. Additionally, what is 'our' to Gabe may not be 'our' to you or me. So, why do you believe Gabe put his foot in his mouth? I believe it was actually you who did that, replete with a Payal Chappal in tow. Please chill. jc On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: augusto pinto pintogoa at gmail.com on Sat Jun 15 08:34:29 PDT 2013 wrote: May I inform the Hon. Shri Gabe Menezes Esq. that India is a Republic and Goa is part of it, and thus, not being a monarchy we cannot have a future or current King or Queen unless Britain intends to colonize India all over again. No apologies are necessary or expected from Shri Gabeji for putting his foot in his mouth. Best,Augusto RESPONSE: When India attained the form of a Republic, Goa was not part of it. Gabe has not stated anywhere that WE are to have a future King or Queen. Don't see rationale why Gabe needs to apologise. Only Indians squat when dining that their foot reaches their mouth. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] Our future King has Indian blood...
augusto pinto pintogoa at gmail.com on Sat Jun 15 08:34:29 PDT 2013 wrote: May I inform the Hon. Shri Gabe Menezes Esq. that India is a Republic and Goa is part of it, and thus, not being a monarchy we cannot have a future or current King or Queen unless Britain intends to colonize India all over again. No apologies are necessary or expected from Shri Gabeji for putting his foot in his mouth. Best,AugustoRESPONSE: When India attained the form of a Republic, Goa was not part of it. Gabe has not stated anywhere that WE are to have a future King or Queen. Don't see rationale why Gabe needs to apologise. Only Indians squat when dining that their foot reaches their mouth. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
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Dear Augusto, Apologize and move on. A genuine apology no matter what at this point--will be worth the exercise. It could be somewhat different if there is an OCI in the mix. To you and others on Goanet: Apologies in most cases are something very rare on Goanet. Humor is a device that is hard to use, and most of us are too young at it, and rarely have the chops. The same with argumentation. Of course on the other hand aggravated responses are indeed very disconcerting, and seems to be getting worse among us Christians. But perhaps it appears so since more often than not (i believe so) we C/Xristanvs speak our minds out, so it appears, unlike the other smart alecs. Its often best to take a step back and I am not asking you to take a page from any sutra, But speaking about self--it has helped. Best. + + A few thoughts to Gabe and all on Goanet: Why do we find it hard no matter what to simply proffer the facts as in: Hey Guy / Baba / ok: Shanya, I am a citizen of the UK (as the case may be country), and by ours I meant myself and us Brits. Considering the impression I have of many of you its always like I am doing a second take. No one is asking for any of you to be weak, but still where is all the culture, and allegria that is subtly and however inadvertently alluded in our manners (acts, etc.) and processes, and to which we can now hardly lay claim to? For my part its time I muzzled my expectations sooner than the waiting for the year to end. Best. venantius j pinto Message: 7 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:33:59 +0100 From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Our future King has Indian blood... On 15 June 2013 16:34, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote: Gabe Menezes wrote in Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 375 to say that Our future King has Indian blood. May I inform the Hon. Shri Gabe Menezes Esq. that India is a Republic and Goa is part of it, and thus, not being a monarchy we cannot have a future or current King or Queen unless Britain intends to colonize India all over again. No apologies are necessary or expected from Shri Gabeji for putting his foot in his mouth. Best, Augusto RESPONSE: What have you been smoking or drinking? My post was just as an information piece, nothing to do with INDIA, I am a citizen of the U.K. and I referred to our future King; I did neither offer nor proffer any advice. My foot is reserved for your backside. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
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From Gabe Menezes: Our future King has Indian blood. GL replies: So how are the racists in UK and in Canada, Australia and New Zealand taking this news? It has to be more than Blimey! :=)) Regards, GL
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In response to a very routine posting of a news item by Gabe Menezes, first Augusto Pinto got all so needlessly worked up and now this mindless post from Gilbert Lawrence who asked: So how are the racists in UK and in Canada, Australia and New Zealand taking this news? jc: my mind goes back to this most fascinating statement (in retort) by Gabe to Augusto: What have you been smoking or drinking? My post was just as an information piece, nothing to do with INDIA, I am a citizen of the U.K. and I referred to our future King; I did neither offer nor proffer any advice. My foot is reserved for your backside. jc addendum: Is it that warm in Goa that some of us feel it necessary to blow a Gasket? jc
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Wherefore art thou O Gilbert! Welcome back On 16 June 2013 16:04, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: From Gabe Menezes: Our future King has Indian blood. GL replies: So how are the racists in UK and in Canada, Australia and New Zealand taking this news? It has to be more than Blimey! :=)) Regards, GL -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
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How about this self-hating anti-Indian remark by Falcao? Only Indians squat when dining that their foot reaches their mouth. Ferdinando Falcao Please see: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-June/231784.html Good to see Gilbert back on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh - Original Message - From: Jose Colaco cola...@gmail.com In response to a very routine posting of a news item by Gabe Menezes, first Augusto Pinto got all so needlessly worked up and now this mindless post from Gilbert Lawrence who asked: So how are the racists in UK and in Canada, Australia and New Zealand taking this news? jc: my mind goes back to this most fascinating statement (in retort) by Gabe to Augusto:
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GL replies: Thanks for the welcome-back! But to the topic at hand, are the Anglo-Indians across the world celebrating? Not that they need a reason to celebrate. But literary they will have one of their own in the Big Palace very soon. They can now have the real big house for their reunions and parties. If I were Prince Charles (which I'm not); I'd be cautions attending any Anglo-Indian functions.:=)) Will Englebert Humperdink (Anglo-Indian) be lined up to sing at the celebration of the birth of third-in-line? From Gabe Menezes: Wherefore art thou O Gilbert! Welcome back From Gabe Menezes: Our future King has Indian blood. GL replies: So how are the racists in UK and in Canada, Australia and New Zealand taking this news? It has to be more than Blimey! :=)) Regards, GL
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On 16 June 2013 17:06, Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Augusto, Apologize and move on. A genuine apology no matter what at this point--will be worth the exercise. It could be somewhat different if there is an OCI in the mix. venantius j pinto RESPONSE: I do neither need an apology, nor expect one; things written in a haste makes waste moment - one too many Kops? Having said that, I am more than surprised that a practitioner of the English Language and a Tutor of some repute (?) could have to badly misconstrued what was written. Someone's slip is showing(THAT'S NOT FAIR) Oh what the heck, in for the ride! If we have to spoon feed, then it would be taken that we are being, more than patronising, for goodness sake, an upper supreme English Maestro, should have read better?
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On Jun 16, 2013, at 9:25 PM, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: Will Englebert Humperdink (Anglo-Indian) be lined up to sing at the celebration of the birth of third-in-line? Comment: 1: how did Englebert become Anglo-Indian? Were any of his parents or their's Not British British? 2: and what, if I may ask is the origin of the surname Lawrence? Could it be Anglo-Indian? jc
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Dear Venantius who wrote Dear Augusto, Apologize and move on. A genuine apology no matter what at this point--will be worth the exercise. Hey Venny, goanet was getting a bit boring so I just thought of stirring the pot a bit. It worked. ;-) The fact that some loonies can't tell sheet from sat is not my fault. What say? Heh heh... But as you say let me apologize: Dear Gabe I'm really sorry that I got on your nerves and made you get all worked up and violent. Do accept my sincere apologies Cheers Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal Moira, Bardez Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
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-Original Message- From: Jose Colaco 1: how did Englebert become Anglo-Indian? Were any of his parents or their's Not British British? 2: and what, if I may ask is the origin of the surname Lawrence? Could it be Anglo-Indian? RESPONSE: 1 - Engelbert Humperdinck (born Arnold George Dorsey; 2 May 1936). Arnold Dorsey was born in Madras, India, as one of ten children to British Army NCO Mervyn Dorsey and his wife Olive. Dorsey's family moved to Leicester, England, when he was ten. [1] 2 - The oft quoted on Goanet, Leo Lawrence, author of Nehru seizes Goa comes to mind. He was no Anglo-Indian. For various reasons, Goans likely anglicised their (sur)names: Jose became Joseph Catarina became Catherine Jeronimo became Jerome Julia became Juliet Lourenco became Lawrence Appropriate time for Emperor Augustus to chime-in. - B Source [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelbert_Humperdinck_(singer)
[Goanet] Our future King has Indian blood...
Gabe Menezes wrote in Goanet Digest, Vol 8, Issue 375 to say that Our future King has Indian blood. May I inform the Hon. Shri Gabe Menezes Esq. that India is a Republic and Goa is part of it, and thus, not being a monarchy we cannot have a future or current King or Queen unless Britain intends to colonize India all over again. No apologies are necessary or expected from Shri Gabeji for putting his foot in his mouth. Best, Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal Moira, Bardez Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
[Goanet] Our future King has Indian blood...
DNA testing proves that the Duke of Cambridge is of Indian ancestry Will become the first King of England with genetic link to the country Prince William's great-great-great-great-great grandmother was half-Indian To be the first and last, as DNA link can only be passed on by mother Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2341437/Williams-Indian-ancestry-DNA-tests-future-monarch-clear-genetic-line-country-mothers-side.html#ixzz2WB4tIG6E Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitterhttp://ec.tynt.com/b/rw?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcUu=MailOnline | DailyMail on Facebookhttp://ec.tynt.com/b/rf?id=bBOTTqvd0r3Pooab7jrHcUu=DailyMail -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
