[Goanet] RIP goa

2009-12-10 Thread Mario Goveia


Photos from Goa's 2009 mando festival:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/
Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa



Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:36:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Samir Kelekar samir_kele...@yahoo.com

If you have to throw out outsiders, throw out DLF, Vedanta and the other big 
time costruction companies and mining companies first
(There have been 111 mining leases granted in the last few years in Goa), 
rather than the poor migrant souls who live hand-to-mouth.

Mario asks:

Were these apparently LEGAL leases officially granted to the ILLEGAL mines that 
George was referring to?

Memo to self:  Check whether ILLEGAL is the new UNDESIRABLE.

Who is going to replace the jobs and tax revenues from these businesses?

Were these businesses LEGAL and DESIRABLE all these years under names like 
Salgaocar, Dempo, Chowgule, etc.?

Don't some of the poor migrant souls work at these mines?

Are the poor migrant souls living hand-to-mouth because they have better 
hand-to-bank-account-to-mouth options?

Samir wrote:

As I have mentioned, anyone --- Goan or non-Goan --- who is owning Vedanta
or DLF (see the havoc DLF is creating by Dabolim hill-cutting) stocks are the 
destroyers of Goa.

Mario responds:

Was Carmen Miranda wrong when she said there were regulations in Goa that 
required rehabilitating these open face mines after the ore has been depleted?









[Goanet] RIP goa

2009-12-09 Thread Samir Kelekar

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Photos from the 43rd Mando Festival, Dec 9-10, 2009
at the Kala Academy (5 pm onwards)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/
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If you have to throw out outsiders, throw out DLF, Vedanta  and the other big 
time
costruction companies and  mining companies first
(There have been 111 mining leases granted in the last few years in Goa), rather
than the poor migrant souls who live hand-to-mouth.

As I have mentioned, anyone --- Goan or non-Goan --- who is owning Vedanta
or DLF (see the havoc DLF is creating by Dabolim hill-cutting) stocks are the
destroyers of Goa.


regards,
Samir





  


[Goanet] RIP Goa?

2009-04-21 Thread anesimo56

Dear Goanet readers

i am an Optimist and always live in hope which keeps all of us going. 
Goa is still alive and kicking and we do not need an eulogyas yet. life 
is depressing enough at the moment in Goa, But Goans have survived 
through such ordeals.


We need people to come out with solutions to save whatever is left of 
Goa. It might not be the same good old Goa, but we can make it the best 
state in India


When you loose Hope, you stop living!

Cheers
Anesimol

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Re: [Goanet] RIP Goa?

2009-04-21 Thread floriano

  When you loose Hope, you stop living!

I second the above.
Well said Doc.

B/rgds
floriano
goasuraj




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Subject: [Goanet] RIP Goa?



Dear Goanet readers

i am an Optimist and always live in hope which keeps all of us going. 
Goa is still alive and kicking and we do not need an eulogyas yet. life 
is depressing enough at the moment in Goa, But Goans have survived 
through such ordeals.


We need people to come out with solutions to save whatever is left of 
Goa. It might not be the same good old Goa, but we can make it the best 
state in India


When you loose Hope, you stop living!

Cheers
Anesimol




Re: [Goanet] RIP Goa

2009-04-20 Thread Eugene Correia

Every elections some of us predict the death of Goa in the same way some 
pessimists predict the death of India as a democracy. For such people Indian 
elections are a tamasha or a that makes its round every five years.  In more 
than one way, Indian elections are a theatrical exercise. Many have described 
it as aya ram, gaya ram syndrome.
Even as it looks like a farce for western observers and political pundits, the 
elections are the strength of Indian democracy. No doubt many will agree that 
Indian democracy is indeed mobocracy. The shouting, the hate speeches, the 
vilification of rivals, the horse-trading, the jumping jacks from one party to 
another and, lastly, the collection of fronts by whatever name they can conjure 
up, just like a magician.
Since the first elections in Goa, many things have changed yet they appear to 
be the same. The voting class is perhaps more educated. It may not be 
responsible in selecting who to vote. But given the slate of candidates from 
each party, the voter is faced with a Hobson's Choice. 
If you see the TV commercials, one with the filmstar Amir Khan, pleading with 
voters to cast their vote, it makes one wonder whether such TV messages go to 
the minds -- and hearts -- of the voters.
One commercial says that if a voter does not vote, then the voter must be 
asleep. So, Tata tea is the remedy to keep awake -- and vote. The elections 
make for good TV images, as the great Canadian media guru Marshall McLuhan 
said, The Medium is the Message. In Indian elections, the messages gets complex 
because of the variety of parties and their manifestoes on which the ink dries 
up immediately after the elections, particularly of the winning party or 
parties. A coalition further confuses and confounds the message.
The national parties in Goa are also promising the moon and the waters of the 
Mandovi in every home. Some of them want to do away with SEZ and some, on 
winning, would do away with your daily pez. Some of them may want to preserve 
Goan identity but perhaps do not know the formula for it. A few wish guys on 
the forum think they have the formula, which is unworkable in the current 
circumstances in Goa. Goan identity to be saved and preserved remains in the 
hands of Goans themselves. How best they do if another matter.
Those who have predicted Goa's death, let me remind them it would not come with 
this elections or with future elections. If one believes that the slow death 
Goan identity is undergoing, in fact, means that the death of Goa is nearing, 
it is then in the realm of the posibility. Give or take another 50 years for it 
to become a reality. It would be an emotional death, not physical.
Why are some of us going to great lengths to make such gloomy forecast? Why 
can't they concentrate on the political realities of the day? To say that no 
matter who or which party is elected to power, it would still mean the death of 
Goa is to write our own obituary. I know that the whole Goan environment 
appears hopeless. Could we still retain hope under the shadow of death?
Having written this, I lay exposed to those who may choose to hit back at me 
saying that, I as a non-resident Goan, would care less if Goa dies or is in the 
throes of death. I care and many of us living abroad do and we are aware that 
we can make no or little difference. Some of us here have said that Goan NRIs 
could have a big voice in Goan politics. I do hope it happens some day, though 
Goa-based NRI critics would tell us to come to Goa and make the difference. Or, 
they would tell us to put our money where our mouths are. Such criticism is 
easy to hurl those who are having foreign citizenships, even though some of us 
may have dual citizenship. In a way, Goan NRIs working in foreign lands, 
particularly in the Middle East, can escape such criticism, even though some of 
them are living in such places for more than two decades. In the past, Goan 
NRIs have fallen for the dangling carrot by politicians who promise to look 
after the woes, such as losing
 illegally their homes and landsto relatives and tenants. These promises are 
nothing more than differential politics. Goan NRIs do not constitute a bloc 
of voters. Patronising Goan NRIs is part of the larger scheme of getting 
monetary support for campaign funds of individual politicians or the party.
As I have said before on this forum, there is no politician worth his salt to 
deserve a vote. As some have pointed out in the case of the South Goa 
parliamentary election that Mathany Saldanha is the best bet while at least one 
former goanetter has called to support the lone lady candidate, an unknown 
quantity, on other forums. If strategic voting is considered then Mathany 
could be the man to elect. The voters would have to ignore his political 
sommersaults or his deafening silence in the assembly when he was a minister. 
Even in the circling gloom of the financial crisis, there is a ray of hope that 
things will look better in a