FYI Melvyn yours there is a vast difference between an article and an 'empty rhetoric' as cyprian has rightly pointed out to you.. in which sense does your response look like an article to you?
In your own words, you seems to be a non graduate so come of age and write something good, seems to me your second para is nothing but of a crab mentality, which is so famous among goans, that they wear it everywhere they go. If you have something better than Carmen, do it.. And stop praising your own self like a monkey 'an honourable goanet reader'?? you must be joking!! BTW you are Rose or Melvyn?? hAVE a nICE dAY, you seems to need it!! Seb PS: There subject is misleading.. there has never been a debate - Only Empty Rhetoric. From: Melvyn Fernandes <mel...@orange.net> Subject: [Goanet] The Melvyn-Carmen & Cyprian debate Dear Cyprian Thank you for your message 10, Goanet Digest Vol 6, Issue 878. The good news is your description of my article as "empty rhetoric" has produced the desired result. It appears that Carmen Miranda has read my article as she has experienced a "paradigm shift" and is now wisely using her precious time to provide us all with her corrections to the articles she herself has written. There are elements in our community that are full of insolence making it difficult to take anything at face value and being an honourable goanet reader, makes me wonder if any part of the article or other articles she has written are credible in this world of misinformation? Please note that I have no grievance with or a black list on anyone but neither will I be "gagged". Melvyn Fernandes (non graduate) Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom 14 September 2011 melvynfernan...@virginmedia.com ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: 15 Sep 2011 03:19:46 -0000 From: "dale luis menezes" <dale_mene...@rediffmail.com> To: <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Subject: [Goanet] Dal Lake Photonama Message-ID: <20110915031946.9441.qm...@f6mail-145-187.rediffmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dears, Do check my photo feature of Dal Lake which appeared on GT: September 14, 2011. Comments/feedback welcome on the blog. Link: http://daleluismenezes.blogspot.com/2011/09/dal-lake-photonama.html Dale Luis Menezes Find my writings @ www.daleluismenezes.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:19:13 -0700 From: Sandeep Heble <sandeephe...@gmail.com> To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Campal football stadium ? Game on Message-ID: <CACB95ndrtbJr6KycQ1DjNdjcjvEb=ymf_zkha_zvuxwxhyh...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Campal football stadium ? Game on GERARD DE SOUZA Herald Panjim Plus Edition(Sep 15) The movement to rebuild the Campal Football stadium is very much on the cards. After government approval, a budget has to be allotted and work order issued to GSIDC. Till then, Ponnjekars will have to wait. The campaigners however, plan to keep their campaign going by organising more tournaments and activities this time, and not just football. After a 10 year hiatus, out of nowhere the issue of the stadium, came into the limelight. There could be many reasons. On the surface ( pun intended), it seems like a lull in activity, but the movement for the building of the Campal Football stadium is still very much on. After simmering for a long time, and ever since it was demolished in 2004 with a promise to build new pavilions, the movement to rebuild a football stadium snowballed into a major issue in June this year, with the crescendo reaching a peak, and although a tie- breaker football tourney was being organised on the now over grown grass of the stadium, it nevertheless, attracted a huge crowd. Even the initial opposition to the stadium has since died down. Blame it on the rains or on the assurances given by the chief minister and the promise of the opposition leader to pursue the matter until it is complete, but the resultant lack of activity ensured that issue went out of media spotlight. ? The movement is definitely on. The Opposition leader Manohar Parrikar has promised to take personal responsibility to ensure that till the time a new stadium is rebuilt, the ground will be leveled and goal posts erected, so that local residents can start playing. As per his assurances, a few benches and minor beautifcation will also be carried out. Works on that front are likely to commence soon and completed by mid- October,? Sandeep Heble of the Jaycees told Herald. After simmering for many nearly 10 years, out of nowhere the issue of the stadium, came into the limelight. There could be many reasons attributed to it. One is the fact that a few of Goa?s premier clubs began seriously looking for a permanent ? home ground? in and around Panjim. The other possible reason could be that during a discussion at the International Centre, the space left vacant by the stadium was considered as one of the areas in the city that could be used for parking. Soon there were press conferences, by Panjim?s prominent citizens, sportsmen, football lovers and politicians addressing press conferences, leading delegations and making statements in support of the stadium. The first was a press conference organised by local clubs at SAG Conference Hall, Campal on June 24, to promote the reconstruction of the Campal Football Stadium where three city clubs, namely JCI Sta. Inez, Panjim Sports Festival Committee and Young Boys of Campal announcing plans to promote the 5- aside football tie breaker. The tournament held on Sunday June 26, witnessed a record crowd of participating teams, as well as support of all politicians. Following that a delegation of prominent citizens representing different sports clubs and institutions from Panjim, led by the Leader of the Opposition and Panjim city MLA Manohar Parrikar, met the Chief Minister Digamber Kamat, to press their case for rebuilding of the Campal football stadium. The delegation, which included Arjuna Awardee and former India Captain Brahmanand Shankwalkar, CCP Councillor Surendra Furtado, Dr Rufino Monteiro ( Friends of Football) , Sandeep Heble ( Panjim Sports Festival Committee), Chetan Kavlekar ( Panjim Table Tennis Club), Michael Ribeiro ( Kaddint Boys), Leslie Roncon ( Young Boys of Campal), Joaquim Teles ( Panjim Traditional Festival and Sports Committee), Angelo Albuquerque ( Panjim Footballers), Stanislaus D?- Souza ( Sports Journalist), Manoj Patil and representatives of a few other clubs, briefed the CM about the whole issue and thereafter submitted a petition demanding the immediate construction of a state- ofthe- art football stadium at Campal . The Chief Minister assured the delegation that he would study the plans before moving ahead to solve the grievances of the sports persons and the city residents as speedily as possible. However, the movement well begun is fraught with several threats and obstacles along the way. Till date, all that the football lovers have is a verbal assurance from the Chief Minister that the government would build the stadium and an assurance from the opposition leader to develop the surface so that it may be used for local youth to play. As of now there is ? government approved plan? in place. Opposition councillor had at that time flaunted a ? GSIDC approved plan? designed by architect Milind Ramani for a 2,500 spectators stadium with ample parking space for about 300 cars, provision for cafeteria, rooms for players and a road entering from the sea side, cost of which is estimated at around Rs13 crore. Another plan for around 5,500 spectators, which has a parking capacity of 150 cars is also doing the rounds. ? There will be a road, which goes around the Campal stadium after the Kala Academy gate along the river front and joining with the SAG Indoor complex at Campal. This road will ease the burden on the main road and besides two wheelers can park along this road,? Heble said. Besides, there also is the need to get AIFF approval for the stadium if it needs to be called a football stadium per se. Sources in the know have expressed reservations about whether the AIFF will approve of this stadium with a 5,500 capacity to host national matches, leave aside international matches, which can be hosted at Fatorda. The campaigners however plan to keep their campaign going by organising more tournaments and activities this time, and not just football, but other tournaments just to send out a strong message to the government. Other tournaments tentatively planned, include a football tournament at the Campal grounds, ( after the surface is redone), basketball at the Youth Hostel, volleyball at SAG grounds, Campal, athletics at SAG Grounds, Campal, badminton at Indoor Stadium, Campal, table tennis at Don Bosco Oratory, chess at Menezes Braganza Hall, Panjim, carrom at the Conference Hall, Indoor Stadium, Campal, boxing at Indoor Stadium, Campal, under- arm cricket near swimming pool and athletics at SAG grounds, Campal. The organisers have also planned child art and essay competitions to be conducted in the schools and colleges in addition to the one day sports festival. Others fear that the issue has been usurped by political reasons and that in order to win people?s support in the next elections. They fear that once the elections are over, these issues will not be given enough importance and assurances will not be kept. After the government approving the plan, there needs to be a budget allotted and the work order issued to the GSIDC. Until that happens, Ponnjekars cannot afford to consider their battle won. Dr rufino Monteiro pitches in One of the forefront members and leader of Friends of Football Panjim in the movement to build the Campal Football Stadium, Dr Rufino Monteiro gives his take on the entire movement. The Chief Minister has promised that before the stadium is built the surface of the ground would be improved and it would be done through state government funding. This assurance was given to Opposition leader Manohar Parrikar when he led a delegation of Panjimites to CM. That was the last that has happened on this issue. It wasn?t just an assurance; we expect the work on the surface to begin soon. Elections have not come so we do not expect the politicians involved to take less interest once the elections are done. If that happens, we will see what we can do. Voice of Panjim The demand for construction of Campal Football Stadium and sprucing up its ground has gathered steam. GERARD DESOUZA asks Ponjekars of the demand for having a good ground in Panjim. Here are some views Yes, we need a good grass ground with no stones so that at least we enjoy the game. This will curb any obstructions so a good tecdhnique can be developed without any fear of injury. ?- Andrew Alphonso, Miramar Yes, currently the young boys play on the athlethics ground that ruins both the athlethics ground and does not give boys experience a good professional football turf. That's what we need.- Colin D?Costa, footballer, Miramar I don?t expect anything to happen. If it happens then it is well and good, but if it doesn?t it will come as no surprise.- Steve Gomez, engineer. Source: http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/epapermain.aspx The Old glory days of Football at the Campal Football Stadium- Photographs available at: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2403365722008.138827.1187066172&l=2 f9ff91e79&type=1 End of Goanet Digest, Vol 6, Issue 881 **************************************