Re: [Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed
On Sep 26, 2008 Cornel abused and insulted Frederick Noronha thus: We have had Cecil Pinto's confirmation on GX (GoenchimXapotam) that, it is Frederick Noronha who rejects large numbers of posts sent to Goanet without the slightest whiff of an explanation. ... I therefore want to congratulate him on his contribution towards corruption and the absence of transparency... ...I am only now able to respond to the totally unexpected info (at least for me) that good old Frederick Noronha lay at the heart of the rejection racket whilst taking good care not to be discovered as the villain of the piece. Another form of corruption is that Frederick Noronha appears to perform the role of a newspaper editor where indeed the editor traditionally has the last word (normally without explanation) regarding a letter to the editor. After calling Frederick Noronha corrupt and publishing his rant on Goanet and other mailing lists, 7 days later, on Oct 3, 2008 Cornel has turned obsequious: Despite our very first spat on Goanet, I reiterate strongly and publicly that, I have the highest personal regard for Frederick Noronha and his general vision for Goanet--that I have repeatedly said is an esteemed website for Goans generally. Now is Cornel going to post his praise of Frederick on the same mailing lists that he called Frederick corrupt?? Maybe, maybe not. He has not done so as yet. This is a good example of a homilist with poor ethics or as they say in Konkani Porjeak Sermao. Goanet theory and practice on moderation needs a serious re-think in my humble opinion. Minimally, for a web-site, it is punitively inclined and not at all user-friendly. It therefore needs much rectification and I will spell this out, yet again, as soon as I get an opportunity. RESPONSE: Unless one knows how it works please dont bother telling others how it should be run. While certainly an erudite, the content of Cornel's messages are nothing but claptrap. Cornel, please find another avenue to rant and rave about Goanet. If you have any further administrative queries, please direct them to Goanet Admin - [EMAIL PROTECTED] and not to the discussion/ mailing list. Thank you. Ohhh..you are welcome to post apologies to Goanet for the following which may improve your credibility: #1) For publicly abusing Frederick Noronha on Sep 26, 2008 #2) For publicly falsely stating that Santosh had received no explanation in a rejection message when indeed he had. #3) For publicly falsely stating that you had no communication from Goanet Admin in 6 months when indeed our last email exchange was on Aug 17-18, 2008. - Bosco Goanet Admin http://www.goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed
Hi Victor and Selma Despite our very first spat on Goanet, I reiterate strongly and publicly that, I have the highest personal regard for Frederick Noronha and his general vision for Goanet--that I have repeatedly said is an esteemed website for Goans generally. However, there are things that are seriously amiss on Goanet moderation linked to the rejection of posts. That, there is now virtually a 'litany' from so many people consistently and independently emphasising problems with Goanet moderation, suggests that they cannot all be wrong or have ill intentions to undermine Goanet. In fact their expressed concerns suggest the very opposite when also noting that their Goanet rejected posts can readily find welcome acceptance on other Goan related websites. Goanet theory and practice on moderation needs a serious re-think in my humble opinion. Minimally, for a web-site, it is punitively inclined and not at all user-friendly. It therefore needs much rectification and I will spell this out, yet again, as soon as I get an opportunity. Above all, any criticisms of Goanet moderation must be made available to mainstream Goanetters and not confined privately to a ding dong between a moderataor and a critic. Otherwise, mainstream Goanetters are regularly kept in the dark about issues that need to see the light of day. They really ought to have the opportunity to reflect on issues that are not unnecessarily first 'filtered through' by moderators with marked contrasting visions of what moderation means--assuming it is needed at all or at least to the vice like grip it currently holds. Indeed, I think Miguel more than anyone else has alluded to this particular point. Further, many of Mario's (among others) insightful observations on moderation need to be considered rather than invariably rejected out of hand. I believe Goanet is big enough to cope with any internal criticism and will be the better for acknowledging and addressing criticism instead of habitually having it dismissed as inappropriate. I also think that, some recent thoughts from Eddie Fernandes, to systematically streamline the masses of information from Goanet is definitely worthy of serious consideration. Cornel DaCosta --- On Thu, 2/10/08, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for this excellent post, Selma. I have made many friends through Goanet, and had many arguments with posters who hold diametrically opposed views, but such differences of opinion should not destroy friendships or the regard members have for one another. --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all let me say that the internet is an evil form of communication. It denies us every form of sensory reception and yet affords us the opportunity for intellectual stimulation. Given this limitation, our friendships are formed based on shared opinions, but ruptured at the drop of a hat...
[Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed
First of all let me say that the internet is an evil form of communication. It denies us every form of sensory reception and yet affords us the opportunity for intellectual stimulation. Given this limitation, our friendships are formed based on shared opinions, but ruptured at the drop of a hat, when imagined slights take place. Before we know it, we are mud-slinging back and forth, and causing such grave emotional harm, which we would never do, had we the opportunity to see the other person wince. Which brings me to the point of this post. I think a good personal relationship on Goanet, that of FN and Cornel. For what it's worth, I think Goanet is poorer without Cornel. For instance, he has shared insights with me on life in Africa, that would have been of great interest to Goans at large. Conversely, without Goanet, which to me is FN's baby, we are all the poorer. Other forums have not be able to create the vibrancy, debate and general bonhomie that we enjoy here. Believe me I have tried to join other forums, but it is just not the same. Frederick and I are not political ideological mates. We are absolutely polar in that respect. I have had run-ins with FN on this account and afterwards felt very sheepish about it. I've also had run-ins with Cornel over the most trivial of matters. In the end analysis, are personal friendships worth ideological differences and imagined slights? No, but sometimes in the cyber-world in the heat of the moment it is difficult to remember that. What I've also learned is that the human heart is so quick to heal. And the Goan heart seems more amenable to healing that most hearts. So, I implore Cornel and FN to reach out to each other off-line. Please don't skewer me now. Since I am the only woman left on Goanet, I am trying desperately to be the messenger of peace. I am pressing the send button on this message, despite my better judgement but there it is, a foolish woman's request. Best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed
Thank you for this excellent post, Selma. I have made many friends through Goanet, and had many arguments with posters who hold diametrically opposed views, but such differences of opinion should not destroy friendships or the regard members have for one another. Regards, Victor --- On Thu, 10/2/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 3:37 PM First of all let me say that the internet is an evil form of communication. It denies us every form of sensory reception and yet affords us the opportunity for intellectual stimulation. Given this limitation, our friendships are formed based on shared opinions, but ruptured at the drop of a hat, when imagined slights take place. Before we know it, we are mud-slinging back and forth, and causing such grave emotional harm, which we would never do, had we the opportunity to see the other person wince. Which brings me to the point of this post. I think a good personal relationship on Goanet, that of FN and Cornel. For what it's worth, I think Goanet is poorer without Cornel. For instance, he has shared insights with me on life in Africa, that would have been of great interest to Goans at large. Conversely, without Goanet, which to me is FN's baby, we are all the poorer. Other forums have not be able to create the vibrancy, debate and general bonhomie that we enjoy here. Believe me I have tried to join other forums, but it is just not the same. Frederick and I are not political ideological mates. We are absolutely polar in that respect. I have had run-ins with FN on this account and afterwards felt very sheepish about it. I've also had run-ins with Cornel over the most trivial of matters. In the end analysis, are personal friendships worth ideological differences and imagined slights? No, but sometimes in the cyber-world in the heat of the moment it is difficult to remember that. What I've also learned is that the human heart is so quick to heal. And the Goan heart seems more amenable to healing that most hearts. So, I implore Cornel and FN to reach out to each other off-line. Please don't skewer me now. Since I am the only woman left on Goanet, I am trying desperately to be the messenger of peace. I am pressing the send button on this message, despite my better judgement but there it is, a foolish woman's request. Best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Ruptured Cyber friendships must be healed
Agreed. Cyber-fights, specially those where no malice is involved, should never be taken seriously! Sometimes, these stem just from a difference of politics or perception. It hardly means we wouldn't be on agreeable terms if one met face-to-face. FN -- FN * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org M: +91-9822122436 P: +91-832-2409490
