[Goanet] Selma Quits.
But not without a parting shot ! We knew the joy of seeing that quintessential bhatcar, Dom Alfredo da toda Skandanavya, coddle you, over the years. I can only hope you did not feel 'debauched.' Until -. eric. From: Carvalho To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:59:57 PM Subject: [Goanet] The bhatkarponn of Goan forums There were in the Goa of yore a few Catholic families who no doubt occupied positions of power and privilege pre-1961. This sense of entitlement was upheld by notions of caste, with little or possibly no regard for merit. Nonetheless, in time, education and economics played their part in insulating this coterie from the rest of Goa. Doubtless in time they solidified their positions, made possible by inter-marriage. In time they became almost a clan. Implacable. Their reputations and lifestyles, however debauched, protected by a wall of silence, maintained in part by loyalty, in part by fear and sadly in part through unfailing reverence from all those that called them bhatkar. Those days are gone now but that sense of bhatkarponn has not died in these families. Over the course of the four years I have been on Goan forums, I have come across it again and again. Yes, to a large extent caste is defunct in Goan society but it is not dead. It is merely dressed in a more egalitarian garb. In my four years on Goan forums, ultimately it is the Gulfkars, the tarvottis, the Afrikars, the tiartrists who have taken me to their hearts. Perhaps in a very small way, I have become their voice because I come from them, from that belly of Goa which grows in its villages. I know them. I can see them in my grandfathers, my father, my cousins and my friends. Hopefully, I will continue being their voice. The other Goa has remained closed, zip-locked with constant innuendo, here on Goanet and elsewhere. We Goans today are as divided as we were a few centuries ago. Let's not be mistaken about that. Neither education nor economics has fundamentally changed our way of thinking. I've had a good run. Great fun. But I now request the moderators to change my listing to a digest. After four long years, I need some air to breathe. Best, selma
[Goanet] Selma Quits
Eric Pinto's post caught my eye... which then took me to Selma's related post. It appears that Selma had just a run-into one of those hoity-toity Goans in London; and is confusing them with the sussegad bhatkars ani empregados de Goa. Likely Selma spotted these Brit-Goans using their Queen's English admixed in their verbal helium. They in turn spotted Selma's Americanism mixed with her Middle-East lifestyle of roiling in the mullah (gold) and her salt-of-the-earth logic straight from her Goa roots. While the Brit-Goans showed-off their sesquipedalian (a lover of big words) traits, Selma took great pride in pointing out their foibles, keeping an eye on the world for the rest us. She of course has 'been there, ... and ... done that'; and likely they could not stand her voice of eternal reason, the Diogenes of our generation. But how about "Their reputations and lifestyles," was preserved by the silent contempt shown towards them by other Goans (native and immigrant) who had surpassed them in knowledge, skills and wealth. The "Professor ani Professora" clung to their high school certificates; while their students went on to earn graduate and double-graduate degrees. Clearly the message is don't present that "more egalitarian garb". It will be spotted a mile away by the white-knight of Goan writers, holding the feet of the hemming and hawing nuveau bhatkars (who now drinks Johnny Walker Black and Blue) to the Goan fire. Regards, GL - Carvalho The bhatkarponn of Goan forums Those days are gone now but that sense of bhatkarponn has not died in these families. Over the course of the four years I have been on Goan forums, I have come across it again and again. Yes, to a large extent caste is defunct in Goan society but it is not dead. It is merely dressed in a more egalitarian garb. There were in the Goa of yore a few Catholic families who no doubt occupied positions of power and privilege pre-1961. This sense of entitlement was upheld by notions of caste, with little or possibly no regard for merit. Nonetheless, in time, education and economics played their part in insulating this coterie from the rest of Goa. Doubtless in time they solidified their positions, made possible by inter-marriage. In time they became almost a clan. Implacable. Their reputations and lifestyles, however debauched, protected by a wall of silence, maintained in part by loyalty, in part by fear and sadly in part through unfailing reverence from all those that called them bhatkar.
[Goanet] Selma Quits? Oh, no!
From: Carvalho Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:59:57 PM Subject: [Goanet] The bhatkarponn of Goan forums I've had a good run. Great fun. But I now request the moderators to change my listing to a digest. After four long years, I need some air to breathe. Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: eric pinto But not without a parting shot !?? We knew the joy of seeing that quintessential bhatcar, Dom Alfredo da toda Skandanavya, coddle you, over the years. I can only hope you did not feel 'debauched.' Until -.?? eric. Mario asks: Hey, Eric, Maybe I'm missing something. The headline reads, "Selma quits!" How does changing her listing to a Digest mean that she has quit? This forum would not be the same without Selma, the Sarah Palin of Goanet:-)) I have been on the Digest for years and still remain the bane of pompous prevaricators and blustering bloviators and the lone voice on Goanet of reason, truth and peace:-)) And who is this mysterious "coddler" you are referring to? I haven't noticed any overt coddling going on:-)) I don't think Selma lends herself to coddling. In fact, she has been publicly chastized recently for an unfortunate reference and one egregious mis-spelling. She has more cojones - metaphorically speaking of course - than many who should be thus endowed. At the risk of being accused of sexism, she takes her lumps like a man. Am I wrong? Good heavens! Maybe I will now be accused of coddling:-))
Re: [Goanet] Selma Quits? Oh, no!
No, I think Eric just wanted to confirm what Selma was talking about ... "The bhatkarponn of Goan forums" :-) 2009/11/19 Mario Goveia : > From: Carvalho > Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:59:57 PM > Subject: [Goanet] The bhatkarponn of Goan forums > > I've had a good run. Great fun. But I now request the moderators to change my > listing to a digest. After four long years, I need some air to breathe. > > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) > From: eric pinto > > But not without a parting shot !?? We knew the joy of seeing that > quintessential bhatcar, Dom Alfredo da toda Skandanavya, coddle you, over the > years. I can only hope you did not feel 'debauched.' Until -.?? eric. > > Mario asks: > > Hey, Eric, Maybe I'm missing something. The headline reads, "Selma quits!" > > How does changing her listing to a Digest mean that she has quit? -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism ANOTHER GOA: http://openlibrary.org/b/OL23851672M/Another_Goa
Re: [Goanet] Selma Quits? Oh, no!
No, no. She should not give up. I always admired that lady's guts and gumption in a male dominated forum. And she wielded her pen with aplomb. She was one of the few persons I read consistently cause she made sense to me. I hope she changes her mind. Allez Selma! R. Cabral Frederick Noronha wrote: > No, I think Eric just wanted to confirm what Selma was talking about > ... "The bhatkarponn of Goan forums" :-) > > 2009/11/19 Mario Goveia : > > From: Carvalho > > Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:59:57 PM > > Subject: [Goanet] The bhatkarponn of Goan forums > > > > I've had a good run. Great fun. But I now request the moderators to change > > my listing to a digest. After four long years, I need some air to breathe. > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) > > From: eric pinto > > > > But not without a parting shot !?? We knew the joy of seeing that > > quintessential bhatcar, Dom Alfredo da toda Skandanavya, coddle you, over > > the years. I can only hope you did not feel 'debauched.' Until -.?? > > eric. > > > > Mario asks: > > > > Hey, Eric, Maybe I'm missing something. The headline reads, "Selma quits!" > > > > How does changing her listing to a Digest mean that she has quit? > > -- > Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 > Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism > ANOTHER GOA: http://openlibrary.org/b/OL23851672M/Another_Goa
Re: [Goanet] Selma Quits? Oh, no!
Shellu Come on Shellu, I know you are not the one to quit that easily. I always admired you and your guts, from the time we knew our families since 1968 Hang on there dear Cheers Tony and Maria On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 12:56 PM, wrote: > No, no. She should not give up. I always admired that lady's guts and > gumption in a male dominated forum. And she wielded her pen with aplomb. She > was one of the few persons I read consistently cause she made sense to me. I > hope she changes her mind. > Allez Selma! > R. Cabral > Frederick Noronha wrote: > > No, I think Eric just wanted to confirm what Selma was talking about > > ... "The bhatkarponn of Goan forums" :-) > > > > 2009/11/19 Mario Goveia : > > > From: Carvalho > > > Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 8:59:57 PM > > > Subject: [Goanet] The bhatkarponn of Goan forums > > > > > > I've had a good run. Great fun. But I now request the moderators to > change my listing to a digest. After four long years, I need some air to > breathe. > > > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:23:34 -0800 (PST) > > > From: eric pinto > > > > > > But not without a parting shot !?? We knew the joy of seeing that > quintessential bhatcar, Dom Alfredo da toda Skandanavya, coddle you, over > the years. I can only hope you did not feel 'debauched.' Until -.?? > eric. > > > > > > Mario asks: > > > > > > Hey, Eric, Maybe I'm missing something. The headline reads, "Selma > quits!" > > > > > > How does changing her listing to a Digest mean that she has quit? > > > > -- > > Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 > > Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism > > ANOTHER GOA: http://openlibrary.org/b/OL23851672M/Another_Goa > >
Re: [Goanet] Selma Quits? Oh, no!
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:26:53 +0530 From: And she wielded her pen with aplomb. She was one of the few persons I read consistently cause she made sense to me Mario observes: Now, now, Senor Cabral, let's not get carried away here:-)) However she does wield a wicked pen and is willing to cross swords with anyone. Senor Cabral wrote: I hope she changes her mind. Mario responds: Relax. She's not going anywhere. This is her primary world stage. All she asked to do was shift to receiving Digests.
