Re: [Goanet] The dark underbelly of Goan society in London
Resend with some corrections/addition. +++ Narratology is a wide area dealing with narratives and their structure -- modes of seeing-- thoughts, as our perception moulds them. To naturally mean that there are many ways to say something. Alice in Wonderland is one example. Poetry is another more inspired form: within which there are many avenues. Hans Christian Andersen? The Ramayana and what is spoken through it! Examples of solid Qualitative analysis by Indians are hard to come by. Conceptual skills are paramount as in the ability to read a text, see a picture, recording the observation by whatever form -- whatever the modality of the content. Accurate transposition takes great effort, to be assure that context is not lost in translation. Analysis has to come from the body of the modality much in analogous manner by which those aware listen to ones body. Most know the following but still worth pointing out: Writing chops are cultivated over time, and rigor: some never get past a certain trope, or a certain genre -- but what they do with their limited skills still gives meaning to their lives and helps make sense of the world to others. I say this knowing where I stand writing wise (no where), and what I say (which I have to say). One has to have a good reason to tell any story via any form. It is a great blessing if the intent and vortex of the narrative is rooted in empathy. Ones consideration towards any exposition has to be brokered accordingly. Many possibilities, including personal narratives, autobiographical approaches too are available to the writer whose writing transforms self as it invigorates raeders. Hopefully people are familiar with Thomas Bernard, still referred to in Austria as a Nestbeschmutzer (an individual wont to soil his own nest). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bernhard If time permits anyone look at his sentence structure. A book worth considering: The novels of Thomas Bernhard: form and its function. Also, Thomas Bernhard, an introductory essay by Thomas Cousineau http://www.thomasbernhard.org/cousineautbintro.shtml venantius j pinto --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] The dark underbelly of Goan society in London
Narratology is a wide areas dealing with narratives and their structures -- modes of seeing-- thoughts as our perception moulds them. To naturally mean that there are many ways to say something. Alice in Wonderland is one example. Poetry is another but more inspired form: within which there are many avenues. Hans Christian Andersen? The Ramayana and what is spoken through it! Examples of solid Qualitative analysis by Indian are hard to come by. Most people know the following but still worth pointing out: Writing chops are cultivated over time, some never get past a certain tropes, or a given genre -- but what they do with their limited skills gives meaning to their lives. I say this knowing where I stand writing wise (no where), and what I say (which I have to say). One has to have a good reason to tell any story through any form. It is a great blessing if the intent and vortex of the narrative is rooted in empathy. Ones consideration towards any exposition has to be brokered accordingly. Many possibilities, including personal narratives, autobiographical approaches too. Hopefully people are familiar with Thomas Bernard, still referred to in Austria as a Nestbeschmutzer (an individual wont to soil his own nest). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Bernhard If time permits anyone look at his sentence structure. A book worth considering: The novels of Thomas Bernhard: form and its function. Also, Thomas Bernhard, an introductory essay by Thomas Cousineau http://www.thomasbernhard.org/cousineautbintro.shtml venantius j pinto From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] The dark underbelly of Goan society in London (DEL) The UK is one of the most fascinating place to study Goan culture. Here you have layers and layers of Goan culture?in varying states of evolution.?I can write realms about UK Goans but of course if I ever tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I shall have to change my name and address and emigrate to the moon. So sadly it shall all remain with me, unless one night I have too much Rose wine :-) ? Take care, selma -- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] The dark underbelly of Goan society in London
In response to this post of mine, I got some interesting private responses. I feel the need to address some of these. I had posed the question, is there a difference between East African Goans and Portuguese Passport Goans in the UK? If so why? On the face of it, there is a vast difference. One is articulate, refined, lives in a fine home and delicately sips Rose wine while regaling you with stories of clubs in Africa. The other finds it difficult to converse in English, is engaged in a factory job, gets drunk and has public brawls, some of which end up with knives in people's stomachs. But in reality, underneath these superfluous differences, both are very similar creatures. The real difference in, the middle-class knows the fine art of hiding their problems under a pristine veneer of respectability. And so what is a social issue for the middle-class becomes a criminal issue for the working class. The two faces of Goa that I spoke about is really one face; one with make-up, the other without. The UK is one of the most fascinating place to study Goan culture. Here you have layers and layers of Goan culture in varying states of evolution. I can write realms about UK Goans but of course if I ever tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I shall have to change my name and address and emigrate to the moon. So sadly it shall all remain with me, unless one night I have too much Rose wine :-) Take care, selma --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] The dark underbelly of Goan society in London
Everytime I take on a Konkani-English interpreting job, I am convinced nothing will surprise me. Over the course of the last three years, I have seen it all; child molestation, domestic violence, aggravated assault, drunk and disorderly conduct, stabbings, illness, extreme poverty, joblessness, theft, people forsaken in hospitals: I have seen it and sat through hours of enfolding sadness as the tales are recounted to doctors, social workers, police officers and interpreted by me. Yet, each case manages to creep into the recesses of my consciousness and I come away more confused about Goan society than ever. I am deeply troubled today by a recent case and all the piteous misery it has managed to ensue in so many lives. In all my years of being a Goan, in Goa and in the Gulf or America, I never witnessed moral squalor. I knew only the pristine outer facade of middle-class values and sensibilities. I knew the goodness of families scrubbed clean of the indignity of poverty. Granted the cases that I deal with now come from the lower strata of Goan society. Lifted out of Goa they are adrift without even the benefit of language to help them. Things that are swept under the carpet or seen as amusing peccadilloes, can no longer remain hushed in the UK. Once they come to the attention of the local authorities they become serious matters. The old honour code of let's settle it amongst family does not hold good. There are so many questions I am faced with. Real questions I search answers to. Questions that seem politically incorrect and yet questions we must ask ourselves. Are there two faces to Goa? Is the labouring class of Goa different from its middle-class? Are East African Goans different from Portuguese Passport Goans? If so why? Why the difference? What is the Goan school system capable of producing? Can the Goan school system ever level the playing field to give ever one equal opportunity? What kind of a society have we produced in the last 50 years? Have I been naive about what it means to be a Goan all my life? Lurking under the jeweled crucifix of Christianity, under the benevolent smiles and seeming hospitality, perhaps there is an ugliness so impure, that we choose to ignore it. Best, Selma --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
