Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ Mario, Stacey was driving all over Goa which worked well for me who did not even know to drive then! Helga > I'm glad that your friend, Stacey, saw none of "... > the mounting garbage, the reckless traffic, the > ugly facade of new buildings erected without planning > and without a hint of an architectural soul in them." >> > Neither did I the last time I was in Goa. >> > > > > Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and > Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events > scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 > > For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com > Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ --- Helga do Rosario Gomes wrote: > > To quote my friend Stacey Young from NY who fell in > love with Goa in two nanosecs - Don't call it a > house Helga, its a home! > Mario observes: > Helga, I'm glad that your friend, Stacey, saw none of "... the mounting garbage, the reckless traffic, the ugly facade of new buildings erected without planning and without a hint of an architectural soul in them." > Neither did I the last time I was in Goa. > Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2006 Christmas - Two Packages available from EXPRESSIONS http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ --- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too shall be traveling to Goa soon and am looking > forward to the changes that will be greet me. > Doubtless there shall be mental comparisons made > when I see the mounting garbage, the reckless > traffic, the ugly facade of new buildings erected > without planning and without a hint of an > architectural soul in them. > Mario asks: > Selma, With such a determined list of preconceived expectations, I'm sure that all your negative expectations will be completely fulfilled. I believe its called a self-fulfilling prophecy. > I was looking for all these ghastly things last February after being warned by the naysayers, and didn't see any of it, other than the reckless traffic, which I was soon a part of for my own safety:-)) > Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Yes Selma nothing beats entering your home and seeing the old walls still strong and welcoming - its amazing how even an old door that just wouldn't lock properly and still doesn't in spite of the best efforts of your carpenter can be a great souvenir! To quote my friend Stacey Young from NY who fell in love with Goa in two nanosecs - Don't call it a house Helga, its a home! And the wonderful people who welcome you to their homes, the teenagers who don't think it uncool to visit older people, drink tea and chit chat with you about outsourcing and which shops have the best salwaar. And the big cribs/nativity scenes in every Salcete village - the joint effort of village boys competing with the next vaddo! Check out the one at Pedda Benaulim - my ancestral home. When will you be home? Helga Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html --- Helga do Rosario Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Selma, > Even though you have abandoned this thread I would > like add one more post to > this discussion and this one is to state that I do > not question your love > for Goa or your loyalty. --- Dear Helga, That was so eloquently put, nothing I say can add to or detract from the efficacy of your argument. I think all of us here share a great love for Goa and sometimes get carried away in trying to defend it. Perhaps the Shakespearean tragedian or comedian in us takes over. I too shall be traveling to Goa soon and am looking forward to the changes that will be greet me. Doubtless there shall be mental comparisons made when I see the mounting garbage, the reckless traffic, the ugly facade of new buildings erected without planning and without a hint of an architectural soul in them. All this shall ofcourse pale into the background when I see the smile on both sets of grandparents, when I hear the crickets chirping, the fireflies dancing into the cool of evening's dusk, the foxes crying across green acres of paddy, the stars peeping out of nights so dark as if the moon had forgotten where Goa is on the map. Lying in my bedroom, looking out of my window, it'll be good to be home at last, feeding my soul on the lavish buffet that is Goa. take care, selma Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
* * * 2006 ANNUAL GOANETTERS MEET - GOA * * * WHERE: Foodland Cafe - Miramar Residency - Miramar, Goa WHEN: December 21, 2006 @ 4:00pm More info: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-December/051412.html Hi Selma, Even though you have abandoned this thread I would like add one more post to this discussion and this one is to state that I do not question your love for Goa or your loyalty. Unlike our President I do not possess a meter that allows me to measure loyalty and patriotism. We certainly cant compare India to Iran- where lives under a West leaning despot turned into lives under a brutal theocracy with not even an simple experiment in democracy like the one by the Pants from Pune that they undertook as the British were leaving - I know because one of their daughters Aditi Pant was my PhD advisor. But I know why our points of view differ - you were taken as a young girl to the Middle East which afforded you opportunities for a career etc that young women of my age and maybe yours did not have in Goa. As a young woman we had few options - medicine, teaching or working in a bank. Marriage to a well established upper-class man was to many young women the best and easiest option . Perhaps we were used to courts that work slowly, apathetic cops, rude and lazy government workers and a hospital where the poor are treated like dirt by the ones who should be caring for them - we did not know better and many still don't. Buying a car was almost like winning Mervyns's lottery and a phone was Kohinoorean in value as was overseas travel and any other luxury. So when I see the opportunities for the young people of today it pleases me immensely. As you pointed out to Sunith only the wealthy or the upper class could have an education and EVERY job required a sugar daddy. Well now the scene at least from where I am standing is totally different: education is affordable to everyone as is overseas travel which to me is a also great education, there are plenty of jobs to be had based purely on merit and really few want to work in a government office or even a bank. In fact the ICCI bank has such a high turnover that they are no longer able to provide the great service they used to. Old conservative families have changed their outlook and the field has leveled. There is a chance for a better life not just for the upper class but for everyone. However I do understand that you would like to see more happening in Goa and that what I see as advantages may not seem so to you raised as you were in an affluent country. Well its up to Goans now to elect leaders that can serve them better, to insist on zoning laws, better traffic conditions etc And many are doing so. Valmiki Faleiro had some excellent articles on the traffic situation, Clinton and many others are trying to solve the garbage problem. A river had to catch fire before the US caught up to the fact that they were polluting their water sources and Rachel Carson fought a long and hard battle against DDT. We are still reeling over what it is costing us to pay for a war that was endorsed by 75% and now by only 30% - the difference learned the hard way. Even now the US is fighting a severe battle against drugs, guns and obesity. I have hope for Goa and that's why I will be going back again next week - to do what I love best. Meet my friends, neighbors and enjoy the warmth of a great community where Christmas has not lost its spirit! Happy holidays and don't let the gulab jamum lady bite! Helga > -- > Dear Helga, > > It is customary on this forum to make politically > correct and patronising statements about Goa. Anyone > who doesn't play alongwith the game is soon vilified. > I stopped responding to this thread sometime ago > because apart from the righteous rhetoric there really > > Stating something does not bring into question one's > own loyalty and love for their mother-land. It merely > catapults one into debate and seeking of avenues to > reverse the situation. We must get over this need to > demonise someone with a contrary view and that too > with the most personal of insults. > > Selma > Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
Re: [Goanet] The mess that is Goa/response to Helga
--- Helga do Rosario Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2) Selma, I don't think that Goa is devolving > although what's your time line > i.e. from when did it start to devolve? From the > time you were laid on that > table in > Ribandar?!!! -- Dear Helga, It is customary on this forum to make politically correct and patronising statements about Goa. Anyone who doesn't play alongwith the game is soon vilified. I stopped responding to this thread sometime ago because apart from the righteous rhetoric there really wasn't a substantive argument. The reason I said Goa was devolving is because I'm old enough to remember Iran. I was a very young girl at the time but I remember how overnight this once mega hub of the Middle East turned into an Islamic cultural incarceration for its people. How in the blink of an evolutionary milisecond the lives of my Iranian friends had been changed forever. It is foolhardly to believe that change in all its guises is always in linear progression. Evolution and devolution of society can be taking place simultaneously amidst a lot of noise, which at the time can seem like progress. For me, a state is in devolution when its political institutions are unable to create a stable environment and its law and order situation has deteriorated to the point where ordinary citizens can no longer place their trust in it but resort to vigilantism. These two factors are become more and more obvious in Goa. Now, the obvious response to this will be that Goa cannot be likened to Iran. Perhaps not, but can it be likened to Bihar? Stating something does not bring into question one's own loyalty and love for their mother-land. It merely catapults one into debate and seeking of avenues to reverse the situation. We must get over this need to demonise someone with a contrary view and that too with the most personal of insults. Selma Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. Goanet supports BMX, the alumni network of Britto's, St Mary's and Xavier's -- three prominent institutions in Mapusa, Goa. Events scheduled from Dec 16 to 21, 2006 For more details visit http://www.bmxgoa.com
