[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
Well said Jim... Life is what one makes of it... I appreciate your positive attitude this will make life HAPPY !!! I hope someone picks up your idea and works on it just as we have FARM PORK ! Valley > From: amigo...@att.net > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 04:21:10 + > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night > > When laws become redundant, they ought to be changed. This law obviosly is > out-dated and is badly in need of some re-org. Did you know at one point, > bull fights in Goa were banned? Well, bull fights are legal once again. > > Even when bull fights were illegeal in Goa, one could easily attend these in > Goan paddy fields for free. Why? It is a Goan tradition and a form of > entertainment that dates back, well before silent movies were made [ or was > it before the Portuguese came to Goa :) ]. > > Laws don't work unless you provide alternatives. Instead of banning frog > meat, the concerned NGO's should attempt to provide altenative sources of > frog meat - such as legal frog farms. When you flood the market with frogs > raised in farms at a reasonable price, nobody would venture out with their > flash-lights to catch the ones in the wild. > > Its simple economics. > > Now ... would you like your burger well done, medium or rare? Keep in mind, > I'd have to first find a cow. > > Jim F. > New York. > > -- Original message -- > From: "Aaron Pereira" > ... > ... > > citizen! The law states it very clearly.. U catch a frog, your fined Rs. > > 25000 > > or/and imprisoned for 3 years. The Indian bull frog is a protected species > > under > > Schedule I of the Wild Life Protection Act, 1972. > > > > Aaron Pereira > >
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When laws become redundant, they ought to be changed. This law obviosly is out-dated and is badly in need of some re-org. Did you know at one point, bull fights in Goa were banned? Well, bull fights are legal once again. Even when bull fights were illegeal in Goa, one could easily attend these in Goan paddy fields for free. Why? It is a Goan tradition and a form of entertainment that dates back, well before silent movies were made [ or was it before the Portuguese came to Goa :) ]. Laws don't work unless you provide alternatives. Instead of banning frog meat, the concerned NGO's should attempt to provide altenative sources of frog meat - such as legal frog farms. When you flood the market with frogs raised in farms at a reasonable price, nobody would venture out with their flash-lights to catch the ones in the wild. Its simple economics. Now ... would you like your burger well done, medium or rare? Keep in mind, I'd have to first find a cow. Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: "Aaron Pereira" ... ... > citizen! The law states it very clearly.. U catch a frog, your fined Rs. > 25000 > or/and imprisoned for 3 years. The Indian bull frog is a protected species > under > Schedule I of the Wild Life Protection Act, 1972. > > Aaron Pereira
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Consuming a few thousand frogs by local Goans is not going to throw the balance of frog population out of whack. As I have said before, millions more are born each season. Please understand this is a Goan tradition and nothing will change it. You need to provide alternatives and if no alternatives are given, people will continue to catch frogs, regardless of whether it is legal or not. I do not see catching frogs is abuse. What would you refer to the millions of sardines and mackerels that are netted by mechanized fishing vessels? Would this be considered abuse? Isn't man supposed to go out there in the deep sea and bring in the fish? Why don't you tell local Goans that consuming fish on this scale is dangerous to the eco-system? Why don't you tell Goans to stop fishing on commercial scale? After all, the bigger fish in the sea that survived eating mackerels and sardines suddenly would find no food for themselves and they would all die. This would lead to the chain reaction and pretty much in time, the whole ocean would be empty, huh? Get real, my man ... In this example, we are dealing with wild life, with a capacity to re-populate in the millions. Eating fish is a Goan tradition. Even if you passed a law to stop fishing, nothing would stop Goans from doing so. For this reason, I see, eating frogs is no different Now please let me go find my beef - ouch ... that would mean one less cow. Jim F New York. -- Original message -- From: "Blasio Fernandes" > > > Little knowledge is dangerous. > Amigo, in the earths past history when animals came and went extinct > (from the example you have provided), please be known that nature has / > had its own ways of setting a balance to nature. > Production / reproduction and destruction of lives is natures job and > has not been handed down to man at any given point in time. Man has been > given the wisdom to decide between necessity and abuse and when you > abuse a system, it is not very pleasant as we all with or without the > crappy mentality in the twenty-first century know and innumerable > examples can be provided to substantiate my statement. > Over and out ! > Blasio > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:16:54 + > From: "Jim Fernandes" > Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Message-ID: > > <061420090416.21567.4A3479B6000A00E1543F22230650029B0A02D29B9B0EBFC9 > cfcf0109070...@att.net> > > > Ignorance is bliss? What a crappy mentality in the twenty-first century > !!! > > I say, knowledge is power. > > Be happy in the knowledge that sometimes extinction of a species is good > (see my response in my previous email on this - which is reproduced > below). > > Are frogs really going to vanish, if a few thousand a year are consumed > by humans in Goa? > > Get real, millions are being born every new season. > > Jim F > New York. > > Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:42:44 + > From: "Jim Fernandes" > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night ... > ... > ... > > > In Earth's past history, millions of animals came and went extinct. > > But the animal world still survived even though it must have disrupted > > > their food chain. For example, the Dinosaurs came and went. That gave > > a perfect opportunity for mammals to take charge - and then to > > eventually give rise to mankind. If Dinoaaurs were to still survive, > > you and I wouldn't be here discussing about the frogs. > > > > Jim F. > > New York. > >
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Reply to Message 4. (Jim Fernandes) If you dont wish to follow any of the reasons mentioned (www.savegoasfrogs.org) as to why we need so stop eating frog meat/jumping chicken, atleast be a law abiding citizen! The law states it very clearly.. U catch a frog, your fined Rs. 25000 or/and imprisoned for 3 years. The Indian bull frog is a protected species under Schedule I of the Wild Life Protection Act, 1972. Aaron Pereira
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
Little knowledge is dangerous. Amigo, in the earths past history when animals came and went extinct (from the example you have provided), please be known that nature has / had its own ways of setting a balance to nature. Production / reproduction and destruction of lives is natures job and has not been handed down to man at any given point in time. Man has been given the wisdom to decide between necessity and abuse and when you abuse a system, it is not very pleasant as we all with or without the crappy mentality in the twenty-first century know and innumerable examples can be provided to substantiate my statement. Over and out ! Blasio -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:16:54 + From: "Jim Fernandes" Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: <061420090416.21567.4A3479B6000A00E1543F22230650029B0A02D29B9B0EBFC9 cfcf0109070...@att.net> Ignorance is bliss? What a crappy mentality in the twenty-first century !!! I say, knowledge is power. Be happy in the knowledge that sometimes extinction of a species is good (see my response in my previous email on this - which is reproduced below). Are frogs really going to vanish, if a few thousand a year are consumed by humans in Goa? Get real, millions are being born every new season. Jim F New York. Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:42:44 + From: "Jim Fernandes" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night ... ... ... > In Earth's past history, millions of animals came and went extinct. > But the animal world still survived even though it must have disrupted > their food chain. For example, the Dinosaurs came and went. That gave > a perfect opportunity for mammals to take charge - and then to > eventually give rise to mankind. If Dinoaaurs were to still survive, > you and I wouldn't be here discussing about the frogs. > > Jim F. > New York.
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
Ignorance is bliss? What a crappy mentality in the twenty-first century !!! I say, knowledge is power. Be happy in the knowledge that sometimes extinction of a species is good (see my response in my previous email on this - which is reproduced below). Are frogs really going to vanish, if a few thousand a year are consumed by humans in Goa? Get real, millions are being born every new season. Jim F New York. -- Original message -- From: "Blasio Fernandes" > > Ignorance is bliss > > Blasio > ... ... ... Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:42:44 + From: "Jim Fernandes" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night ... ... ... > In Earth's past history, millions of animals came and went extinct. But > the animal world still survived even though it must have disrupted their > food chain. For example, the Dinosaurs came and went. That gave a > perfect opportunity for mammals to take charge - and then to eventually > give rise to mankind. If Dinoaaurs were to still survive, you and I > wouldn't be here discussing about the frogs. > > Jim F. > New York. > > >
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--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Alfred de Tavares wrote: > > Santosh...Selma...pls help me remember the lines... > > Was it not my namesake, Tenysson, somewhere in the 'Idylls > of the King' > Dear Chacha, Unfortunately, I haven't read Idylls of the King. But if I had done so, I would not have remembered that line. Cheers, Santosh
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Ignorance is bliss Blasio essage: 6 Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:42:44 + From: "Jim Fernandes" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: goa...@goanet.org Message-ID: <060920091142.11671.4A2E4AB4000D11AF2D9722230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBFC9 cfcf0109070...@att.net> I am NOT convinced that frog population in Goa reached so low that it's now threatening their existence. Any animal that has a capacity to lay thousands of eggs in a single season, cannot be in danger. Period. I do support the concept of conservation of wild life - but not frogs. In Earth's past history, millions of animals came and went extinct. But the animal world still survived even though it must have disrupted their food chain. For example, the Dinosaurs came and went. That gave a perfect opportunity for mammals to take charge - and then to eventually give rise to mankind. If Dinoaaurs were to still survive, you and I wouldn't be here discussing about the frogs. Jim F. New York.
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Santosh...Selma...pls help me remember the lines... Was it not my namesake, Tenysson, somewhere in the 'Idylls of the King' who moans: Like the swine that see only the blade of grass before (beneath?) their eyes Chachaaa... > From: valley_fale...@hotmail.com > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:19:57 +0530 > Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night > > > Yes, Jim I fully endorse on what you have said. We are not bothered or > concerned about our relatives and friends and yet spend our time saving frogs > where has human values reached ? What are we doing to the numerous > suicides and murders taking place in our Goa ??? what action do we plan for > our forests being destroyed in Goa ??? > > > > FROGS ARE ONLY SEASONAL , BUT THE CONSTRUCTION LOBBY HAS BEEN FILLING > CULTIVABLE FIELDS AND PRECIOUS TREES ARE BEING CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE YEAR FOR > CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY . Is this infrastructure development ??? Who is making > money and destroying the beauty of Goa _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/
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I am NOT convinced that frog population in Goa reached so low that it's now threatening their existence. Any animal that has a capacity to lay thousands of eggs in a single season, cannot be in danger. Period. I do support the concept of conservation of wild life - but not frogs. In Earth's past history, millions of animals came and went extinct. But the animal world still survived even though it must have disrupted their food chain. For example, the Dinosaurs came and went. That gave a perfect opportunity for mammals to take charge - and then to eventually give rise to mankind. If Dinoaaurs were to still survive, you and I wouldn't be here discussing about the frogs. Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: "Blasio Fernandes" > > Jim / Valley, > > I too was of a similar opinion during my teenage days. Frogs are > seasonal.. so make the most while they are available in the fields. Why > bother about frogs where humans are being neglected? These are a couple > of my many thoughts too. But later realised that I was combining > different issues together which actually needs to be dealt separately. > > We ought to know that every animal that exists / created has a definite > role and purpose in sustaining the ecosystem. When the balance gets ... ...
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
In response to: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:14:25 +0300 From: Elvino Rodriques http://f5mail.rediff.com/prism/writemail?&mode=mail_to_individual&email=ElvinoR @Alghanim.com&els=3b704999aa13545f70e76253e4581678> > Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night Hi Elvino, Hope you are having a nice day, I would usually be very sarcastic to people who go half cork. I am sure you are a genuine person interested in the preservation of wild life and need some explaining, I am feeling a bit generous today. First and foremost where in my post do I support slaying of frogs or any wild life ? I support saving of wild life but we have got to get our priorities right, I sincerely appreciate what Clinton is doing. Secondly, come of age and tell me, if people did not make a meal of the frogs, we would not have malaria in Goa ? Is, a ban on eating frogs a solution ? You have looked at it in a 45 degree vision, to see 360 degrees one has to turn around in a full circle. What is the cause of Malaria ? You have rightly answered that question, stagnant water. Are people who eat frogs responsible for that ? To get rid of the problem one has to go back to the root cause of it and the root cause is unhealthy sanitation, mega housing and unhealthy living conditions of migrant works. Our good for nothing corrupt Government has to tackle this major problem first to irradiate Malaria. It's also called stop at source. Ban on eating frogs will get us nowhere if we don't improve on our sanitation and waste water management. We can dump ships loaded with frogs in Goa but that will not stop the spread of Malaria. To stop the frog from extinction ban on eating is not enough, we have to first stop destroying their natural habitat and that's the precise point I made in my post, stop devastation of forests and water bodies and stop filling of mash lands and fields, so to restore parity and ambience to nature and ecology we have to stop mining, hill cutting and mega housing and these my friend are the root cause of all evils in Goa The Government should stop wasting time on people catching frogs and go after the people who are actually responsible for the destruction of their natural habitat and those who are responsible for unhealthy sanitation Hope I have enlightened you on a broader vision of the issue God bless you too The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Hi Freddy, Jim, You both seem to be missing the real point for banning the killing of Frogs. People now are educated they understand lot many things, natural and scientific reasons for the disaster in our present lives where in lot of sickness and diseases are reigning. Malaria takes millions and millions of people too. With education and researches they found out an easy way to save life at least of few millions if not in its entirety if they save the Frog that voraciously consumes larva of Mosquitoes, the very same mosquito that is responsible for millions of deaths through Malaria. And in Goa, this is necessary too for the same reasons. Why not go easy way to save the life. One loose nothing if one just ignore killing the Frog and let it live, because if it does live it can really save many many lives from the killer disease like Malaria. Any other reason for saving the Frog is a different issue. God bless you. Elvino Message: 1 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:12:59 +0400 From: "Freddy Fernandes" Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: Message-ID: <1d3ab263ef131747bfb90f0bc98114c18f4...@emrbrjex1.emaar.ae> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In response to: Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:05:45 + From: "Jim Fernandes" http://f5mail.rediff.com/prism/writemail?&mode=mail_to_individual&email=amigo00 7...@att.net&els=a443a627dd1a2993fd7ba80987af79dc> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night Jim you are very much right, who really gives a rat's ass about humans, wild life is more important than humans The Bollywood actor Salman Khan was put behind bars for killing a black buck but does any know what happened to the people he ran over in his Land Cruiser ? What does our police and the Authorities do when the rich are involved in accidents and the poor are the victims ? Is any action taken against them ? Icons like Pataudi are pulled to court for killing an animal, what does our government do to protect the people who die of cold and hunger in Delhi and up north during winter? Killing tigers and other endangered species are dealt with severely but mass murderers Narender Modi are left free to prey on minorities, the saffron brigade can kill Christians at will in the name of conversion and get away with it too but thou shall not kill an animal or even a frog, are we what we claim to be ? I am basically not fussy about food, I just eat anything that is laid on my table, doesn't matter whether it's spicy, bitter, sour or sweet as long as I can digest it, no problems but given the choice, fish curry any time any where. With tourism flourishing in Goa and the number of hotels ever increasing food items are become very expensive and unaffordable for the common man. Fish cannot be regular item on our menu, red meat (beef, mutton & pork) are expensive as well and bad for people with cholesterol and uric acid, chicken too is mostly for occasions and eggs are bad for cholesterol , which do tend to disappear from counters when ever, bird flu makes it's round, that leaves us with vegetables which too are become expensive so what do we eat ? Has anyone noticed the steep rise in prices of fruits in Goa ? With the advent of rainy season nature had provided us with a cheaper substitute in frog and that too is banned, and with the ban enforced the prices of frogs too have skyrocketed so what does the common man eat ? Don't tell we'll have to go the Oriental way of eating worms and reptiles (who knows that too could be banned) . I appreciate what Clinton Vaz is doing to save wild life but we should all do a lot more for humans first because that God's and natures prized creation It should always be Man before Animal Freddy Agnelo Fernandes __ This e-mail message and any attachments to it are for the sole use of the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information. This e-mail message and any attachments are the property of Yusuf A. Alghanim & Sons w.l.l. or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates (Alghanim Industries). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution of this e-mail message or its attachments is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Alghanim Industries. If you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message and any attachments. __
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
Save the Frog, Save Goa : Midweek notes on an unlikely cultural mascot I am not normally one to fall prey or encourage the use of nationalistic slogans such as ‘Save Goa’. Which Goa I am tempted to ask? Save what? From whom? For whom? And yet when I heard of the ‘Save the Frog’ campaign, the formula above suggested itself to me as peculiarly appropriate. What is so wonderful about Goa, is that within the larger context of India’s taboos and hyper-sensibilities, it very often offers mascots and symbols that elsewhere others shirk from. It is no doubt this relative freedom from social restrictions that makes Goa such a wonderful breath of fresh air in an otherwise stuffy sub-continent. The frog would be an unlikely mascot for any threatened culture, and yet peculiarly and thankfully, a concerted action in favour of this threatened amphibian would result in a possibly addressing a number of Goa’s contemporary material and ethical dilemmas. One of the major threats that the frogs face is the destruction of their habitat, the fields, and hills of Goa. On the one hand the use of chemical pesticides and fertilizers in our fields works to slowly poison them. These poisons subsequently build up in those who eat frog meat, posing a serious long term health risk. More crucially however, the building over of these fields and hills, results in a sure destruction of these amphibian habitats. What impact this will have on the environment we cannot yet tell, and yet we can be sure of a significant negative ripple effect on our environment. Joining the ‘Save the Frog’ campaign would in this manner not only push us toward more sustainable and healthy agriculture, but also save the fields and hills that so many of us would hate to see gone. The immediate action that we are encouraged toward this monsoon however is, to not eat frog legs (or jumping chicken) this season, and not hunt them. And yet when eating frog legs (like wild mushrooms) is part of the monsoon culture of Goa; how can this abstention from frog legs still be argued as an action in support of ‘saving’ Goan culture? The Save the Frog campaign offers us a peculiar option; by putting us in apparent, and possibly temporary conflict with a manifestation of Goan culture, it could actually allow us to save it in the long run. To begin with, Goan ‘culture’ itself seems to have morphed. Whereas in earlier times bands of young men would head out in the dead of night to hunt bull-frogs (they wouldn’t touch a female of the species), this is not the case anymore. Frogs are being hunted indiscriminately. Secondly, while the hunting in former times met a domestic consumption, hunting these days, caters to a few restaurants that serve ‘jumping chicken’ despite a legal ban on its consumption. A commercialization of frog hunting has set in, that leaves frog populations doubly vulnerable. It would be logically and ethically incorrect therefore, to argue that consumption of frog legs alone is Goan culture. An integral part of that culture is the process and the ethics of that hunting. Disassociate the ethics and process of the hunt from the consumption, and we will only compromise the ability of future generations to engage in this very Goan monsoon event. A case of Goa today, Gone Tomorrow. Recognizing the connection between the hunt and the consumption, would allow us to also recognize the connection between the material base and culture of Goans and the disappearance of Goan culture. While there is no doubt that there are more ‘non-Goans’ in the territory today, we will realize that the change in the material life of the Goan is itself leading to the disappearance and destruction of Goan culture. The authentic Goan is disappearing like Alice’s Cheshire Cat. But it seems that like the Cheshire Cat, the Goan is arranging his own disappearance and grinning while at it! If this cat is to not disappear, we need to either rethink our relationship to our material base, or accept that the symbols of Goan culture are going irrevocably change by our own hand. The Bebo (frog) is a symbol of the average Goan. An earthy Goan, who goes on nocturnal frog hunts, swigging feni to warm himself from the cold of the rain. This is the Goan who also slogs in the fields to cultivate them, the Goan who slogs on board ships and in kitchens across the world. The Goan, who sweats and is connected in a very material way to the soil. It is not a symbol of those who merely eat the meat that others have hunted for them. These are merely consumers of a product, they could be Goan, Punjabi or British, and they could be anywhere, consuming any kind of exotic meat. Our country’s ‘Project Tiger’ project tried to present the Tiger as the pinnacle of a natural pyramid. Conserve the Tiger and we would conserve the entire eco-system it argued. Unfortunately however, the Project pitted man against the Tiger. The ‘Save the Frog’ campaign however incorporates the Goan in every sense into its
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Jim / Valley, I too was of a similar opinion during my teenage days. Frogs are seasonal.. so make the most while they are available in the fields. Why bother about frogs where humans are being neglected? These are a couple of my many thoughts too. But later realised that I was combining different issues together which actually needs to be dealt separately. We ought to know that every animal that exists / created has a definite role and purpose in sustaining the ecosystem. When the balance gets shifted it not only affects the animal kingdom but it does have adverse effects on humans too and triggers a chain reaction. That is the time the question should arise as to why humans are neglected and who is responsible.. You will find the answer in the question itself. Secondly, are the frogs to be blamed for construction activities, suicides and murders ? There are people in place to take care of such activities. If these designated people do not carry out their functions the way they should have had, it is not Clintons fault.. is it ? Clinton is fighting to save whatever is remaining of the ecosystem in Goa in whatever way he possibly can. Consider it is his vocation to do so if nothing else.. we should not belittle his efforts. There are numerous NGO's who are fighting to curb the construction menace, deforestation etc etc.. and Clinton and his gang is one such NGO who is fighting to save the frog and save Goa. Sorry forgot to mention: Yes the frogs do lay thousands of eggs but some of the female frogs are caught and killed by us with the eggs still in their belly. Most of eggs that are laid grow into tadpoles. A lot of these tadpoles become food for the fish and snakes and some of them mature into adults and become food for humans.. so in the next season, where there are frogs to lay eggs to meet the voracious appetite of destructive social animals ?? Blasio Chinchinim / DXB Message: 6 Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:19:57 +0530 From: valley faleiro Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Yes, Jim I fully endorse on what you have said. We are not bothered or concerned about our relatives and friends and yet spend our time saving frogs where has human values reached ? What are we doing to the numerous suicides and murders taking place in our Goa ??? what action do we plan for our forests being destroyed in Goa ??? FROGS ARE ONLY SEASONAL , BUT THE CONSTRUCTION LOBBY HAS BEEN FILLING CULTIVABLE FIELDS AND PRECIOUS TREES ARE BEING CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY . Is this infrastructure development ??? Who is making money and destroying the beauty of Goa I wish we all could stand and stop the environment destruction rather than go after the few who are after FROGS Valley. essage: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:05:45 + From: "Jim Fernandes" Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: <060720092305.13287.4A2C47C900072E8333E722216128369B0A02D29B9B0EBFC9 cfcf0109070...@att.net> FROGS my man FROGS are what they were searching for. It is impossible to contain this activity, unless ofcourse, the other side has a reasonable alternative. If someone tried to stop me from eating beef, on the argument that killing cows is going to make them extinct, I'd manage to "somehow find my beef". Mathematically speaking, there's more probability that cows could go extinct - not frogs. Think of it guys, a cow gives birth to one calf, probably once every two or three years. Do you guys know how many eggs a frog lays in one season? At least 10,000 - the number varies depending on who you ask. Once fertilized, these give rise to hundreds of tadpoles and then eventually to more frogs. India is a country that doesn't give a damn about humans - so why give a rats ass about the frogs? I am NOT concerned them ... I'd eat them. Just like I eat beef. Jim F. New York.
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It reminded me of my primary school days. A part of Kirtan (?) Also played on Akasvanni Ponnje Sunday kids programe ‘Khellar ani Mollar’ Hollduo tall bebo, Xeta merer ubo (2). Hanven mhonttlem bebia bebia matxe thuimsor thamb (2) Uddki marun bebian mhonttlem ‘Ddaraum Ddaraum’ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/551392168/sizes/o/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/529605854/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk8/576933215/ delicacy http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk16/3121179416/sizes/l/ Quote: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night augusto pinto pintogoa at gmail.com Sun Jun 7 10:47:54 PDT 2009 As I was travelling home tonight from the house of a friend I, and I suppose many other people, noticed that a lot of torches could be seen in the dark-first-monsoon-soaked fields along the way. Obviously someone was searching for something in those fields. I wonder what. Just curious Cheers Augusto joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
In response to: Message: 4 Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:05:45 + From: "Jim Fernandes" http://f5mail.rediff.com/prism/writemail?&mode=mail_to_individual&email=amigo00 7...@att.net&els=a443a627dd1a2993fd7ba80987af79dc> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night Jim you are very much right, who really gives a rat's ass about humans, wild life is more important than humans The Bollywood actor Salman Khan was put behind bars for killing a black buck but does any know what happened to the people he ran over in his Land Cruiser ? What does our police and the Authorities do when the rich are involved in accidents and the poor are the victims ? Is any action taken against them ? Icons like Pataudi are pulled to court for killing an animal, what does our government do to protect the people who die of cold and hunger in Delhi and up north during winter? Killing tigers and other endangered species are dealt with severely but mass murderers Narender Modi are left free to prey on minorities, the saffron brigade can kill Christians at will in the name of conversion and get away with it too but thou shall not kill an animal or even a frog, are we what we claim to be ? I am basically not fussy about food, I just eat anything that is laid on my table, doesn't matter whether it's spicy, bitter, sour or sweet as long as I can digest it, no problems but given the choice, fish curry any time any where. With tourism flourishing in Goa and the number of hotels ever increasing food items are become very expensive and unaffordable for the common man. Fish cannot be regular item on our menu, red meat (beef, mutton & pork) are expensive as well and bad for people with cholesterol and uric acid, chicken too is mostly for occasions and eggs are bad for cholesterol , which do tend to disappear from counters when ever, bird flu makes it's round, that leaves us with vegetables which too are become expensive so what do we eat ? Has anyone noticed the steep rise in prices of fruits in Goa ? With the advent of rainy season nature had provided us with a cheaper substitute in frog and that too is banned, and with the ban enforced the prices of frogs too have skyrocketed so what does the common man eat ? Don't tell we'll have to go the Oriental way of eating worms and reptiles (who knows that too could be banned) . I appreciate what Clinton Vaz is doing to save wild life but we should all do a lot more for humans first because that God's and natures prized creation It should always be Man before Animal Freddy Agnelo Fernandes The content of this electronic communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed and any others who are specifically authorized to receive it. It may contain confidential or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or otherwise placing reliance on the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful in certain legal jurisdictions. If you have received this communication in error please notify the sender immediately by responding to this email and then delete it from your system. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
Yes, Jim I fully endorse on what you have said. We are not bothered or concerned about our relatives and friends and yet spend our time saving frogs where has human values reached ? What are we doing to the numerous suicides and murders taking place in our Goa ??? what action do we plan for our forests being destroyed in Goa ??? FROGS ARE ONLY SEASONAL , BUT THE CONSTRUCTION LOBBY HAS BEEN FILLING CULTIVABLE FIELDS AND PRECIOUS TREES ARE BEING CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE YEAR FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY . Is this infrastructure development ??? Who is making money and destroying the beauty of Goa I wish we all could stand and stop the environment destruction rather than go after the few who are after FROGS Valley. > From: amigo...@att.net > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:05:45 + > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night > > FROGS my man FROGS are what they were searching for. > > It is impossible to contain this activity, unless ofcourse, the other side > has a reasonable alternative. > > If someone tried to stop me from eating beef, on the argument that killing > cows is going to make them extinct, I'd manage to "somehow find my beef". > Mathematically speaking, there's more probability that cows could go extinct > - not frogs. > > Think of it guys, a cow gives birth to one calf, probably once every two or > three years. Do you guys know how many eggs a frog lays in one season? At > least 10,000 - the number varies depending on who you ask. Once fertilized, > these give rise to hundreds of tadpoles and then eventually to more frogs. > > India is a country that doesn't give a damn about humans - so why give a rats > ass about the frogs? > > I am NOT concerned them ... I'd eat them. Just like I eat beef. > > Jim F. > New York. > > > -- Original message -- > From: augusto pinto > > > > As I was travelling home tonight from the house of a friend I, and I > > suppose many other people, noticed that a lot of torches could be seen > > in the dark-first-monsoon-soaked fields along the way. > > > > Obviously someone was searching for something in those fields. I wonder > > what. > > > > Just curious > ... > ... >
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night: 10 offenders caught in S.Goa, 1 in North Goa
Dear Augusto, Please don't be a silent spectator to the massicare that happen's in Goa's fields at this time of the year. If you come across people poaching frogs or restaurants serving frog meat, report it to the police (100/108) or any of these Forest Department official’s, preferably at the location closest to you – NORTH GOA – 2228 772 9422 437 137 (DCF North Goa M K Shambhu) 9822 587 607 (ACF Maupsa Anil Shetgaokar) 2374 406 (FTS Valpoi) 9423 316 280, 2220736 (RFO Campal Amar Heblekar) EAST GOA – 2312 095 9423 314 824, 2935800 (RFO Bondla Deepak Betqikar) 9423 055 919, 2612211 (RFO Mollem S. Gawas) SOUTH GOA – 2750 246 9422 437 037 (DCF South Goa M K Bidi) 9822 157 139, 2965601 (RFO Cotigao Paresh Parab) ALL GOA 9422 439 953 (CCF Dr. Sashi Kumar) 9423 889 890 (DCF Panjim Devendra Dalai) 9422 437 333 (CCF Richard D'Souza) 9422 388 188 (ACF Dr. Francis Coelho) 9422 437 237 (CF Yogesh) After reporting to the authorities, it would be appreciated if you can contact a WildGoa volunteer at NORTH GOA: 9011-051-950 (Luis Dias) or 9822-522-119 (Arati Das) and SOUTH GOA: 9823-171-312 (Sandeep Azrenkar) or 9890-936-828 (Clinton Vaz) who will record and follow up your complaint with the Forest Officials. Ps: We also have photographs that would be uploaded, of people being caught mostly for the benefit of non-believers like Jim! :) Clinton.. Message: 4 Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:17:54 +0530 From: augusto pinto Subject: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night To: goanet Message-ID: <195f9e5a0906071047o4a85a683uf2dae53b0ac34...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 As I was travelling home tonight from the house of a friend I, and I suppose many other people, noticed that a lot of torches could be seen in the dark-first-monsoon-soaked fields along the way. Obviously someone was searching for something in those fields. I wonder what. Just curious Cheers Augusto
Re: [Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
FROGS my man FROGS are what they were searching for. It is impossible to contain this activity, unless ofcourse, the other side has a reasonable alternative. If someone tried to stop me from eating beef, on the argument that killing cows is going to make them extinct, I'd manage to "somehow find my beef". Mathematically speaking, there's more probability that cows could go extinct - not frogs. Think of it guys, a cow gives birth to one calf, probably once every two or three years. Do you guys know how many eggs a frog lays in one season? At least 10,000 - the number varies depending on who you ask. Once fertilized, these give rise to hundreds of tadpoles and then eventually to more frogs. India is a country that doesn't give a damn about humans - so why give a rats ass about the frogs? I am NOT concerned them ... I'd eat them. Just like I eat beef. Jim F. New York. -- Original message -- From: augusto pinto > > As I was travelling home tonight from the house of a friend I, and I > suppose many other people, noticed that a lot of torches could be seen > in the dark-first-monsoon-soaked fields along the way. > > Obviously someone was searching for something in those fields. I wonder what. > > Just curious ... ...
[Goanet] Torches in the Fields at Night
As I was travelling home tonight from the house of a friend I, and I suppose many other people, noticed that a lot of torches could be seen in the dark-first-monsoon-soaked fields along the way. Obviously someone was searching for something in those fields. I wonder what. Just curious Cheers Augusto -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
