Re: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
2008/10/17 Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: True. perhaps confined in her mind. Tart is an unusal word to use, but I hear you. You second para lays it out well. I am very impressed that the Monseratte have such faith in their child. RESPONSE: We have many nuances/meanings, those of us who have lived in the East Africa and then in the U.K...understand...from Chambers 21st Dict. tart1 adj (tarter, tartest) 1 sharp or sour in taste. 2 said of a remark, etc: brief and sarcastic; cutting. tartly adverb. tartness noun. [Anglo-Saxon teart rough.] tart2 noun 1 a pastry case, especially one without a top, with a sweet or savoury filling. 2 derog slang a prostitute or a promiscuous person. verb (tarted, tarting) (always tart someone or something up) slang to decorate or embellish them or it, especially in a showy or tasteless way. [19c in sense 2; 13c in sense 1: from French tarte.] -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
2008/10/16 Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A minor Stockholm Syndrome? venantius RESPONSE: Get curiouser and curiouser, Stockholm syndrome with a twist, I suppose as the girl is not in a confined environment. My fear is that she could be receiving instructions from colleagues/so called friends to drop the case/issue. I know from experience that this can be very compelling, people feel sorry for Rohit - he could go to prison and so on and so forth; everyone forgets the victim...suggestions that she is loose. This does is not an excuse for sex with an under aged girl, which in India is statutory rape. No ifs and no buts, the girl may even have been the initiator, excuse me but the law is the law! The Monserattes are maintaining that their son is not stupid to have done such a thing. Now the crux is, will she or won't she? Irrespective of what Aires and her mother says - she, herself, has to spell it out to the cops or all is lost and Aires got his butt kicked in and his fingers chopped for what? A stupid girl who, now won't play ball? Her reputation is already being called into question, so is she ready accept that she is a tart or is she willing to stand up and speak up, tell it like it happened, irrespective of whether she was willing? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
Dear Dotor, Adv. Aires will claim that two of his fingers are injured and, while he can handle a Press Conference in the hospital, he could not jog anyones mammary! ;-) That is a good alibi as any. Hear tell that the priest harrassed by Adv. Aires had a e-motional break down and was in Bengalooru [as they now call Bangalore again]. That is collateral damage for the greater glory of the patriots in Goa. Utth Goenkara is not a Sangh Parivar affiliate it is the next best thing, sharing a platform when convenient, specailly before Lok Sabha electiopns of bye elections! Adv. Aires is its spokesman ... putting spokes in Wee Rane's, Roy Boy's and Rohit puro-hit wheels. Mog asundi. Miguel Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:57:47 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aires is correct. (BTW: Was there any vested interest e.g. BUS CONTRACT involving a friend of Aires a contract that the Priest had denied the friend of Aires? Were any Nuns in Old Goa threatened via phone? Just imagine: IF one of the goons decides to complain to the Police that Aires molested (any) 14 year old's breasts. May I ask, HOW Aires would go about proving that He had NOT touched her breasts? jc Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Yahoo! Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger.yahoo.com/download.php
[Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
Miguel wrote: Adv. Aires will claim that two of his fingers are injured and, while he can handle a Press Conference in the hospital, he could not jog anyones mammary! ;-) That is a good alibi as any. Hear tell that the priest harrassed by Adv. Aires had a e-motional break down and was in Bengalooru [as they now call Bangalore again]. That is collateral damage for the greater glory of the patriots in Goa. Earlier JC had asked a question: IF one of the goons decides to complain to the Police that Aires molested (any) 14 year old's breasts. May I ask, HOW Aires would go about proving that He had NOT touched her breasts? -- Dear Miguelbab, The greater glory of the Goan patriots having been noted, political and financial expediency appears to be the modus operandi. What again was the charge Aires made against the priest he harassed? Where was Aires at the time the alleged incident is alleged to have happened? Which PUBLIC mass was the priest celebrating at the time when the alleged incident is alleged to have happened? BTW Miguelbab ... My question about Aires' alleged breast touching of a 14 year old girl (fictitious case) has NOT been answered.. Does one have to jog another's 'memory' to be accused of child molestation ? And could it not be said (in defence) that the goon beat up Aires because the goon saw or thought he saw Aires touching some 14 year old girl's breasts? How will Aires prove that he did not do that ? Can we (Aires included) not see the madness of our ways? jc http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2007-November/065094.html airesrod airesrodrigues at yahoo.com wrote: Goa's Roman Catholic Church might have been able to wriggle out of the Ribandar Church molestation case by Fr. Newton Rodrigues and the late Fr. Eusebio Ferrao episode but this time the Goan Roman Catholic Church may find it hard to grapple with this latest startling revelation by Goa's Congress party. jc's comment: It is quite strange that a person with legal qualifications should make statements like the one above. I ask: 1: was the Goa Roman Catholic Church a party to the alleged molestation case that Aires is all about all over again? 2: what was/is Aires' relationship to Fr. Newton Rodrigues? 3: what was/is Aires' relationship to any person who may have wanted a business contract from Fr. Newton Rodrigues? 4: what was the court's decision in this case? 5: Will Aires deny (on Goanet) that he did make threatening phone calls to the nuns in Old Goa? 6: Will Aires advise us WHY he took a 'sabbatical' or leave of absence from Goa - after the nuns allegedly accused him of assault (I am being kind here)? PS: I have zero problems with anybody (priest, IT consultant, lawyer or liar) being held accountable for impropriety and irregularity. I do have a problem with the Aireses of this world continuing to try cases thrown out by the courts - in the public arena - over and over again. jc
[Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit 16 Oct 2008, 0348 hrs IST,TNN PANAJI: In a fresh twist to the alleged rape case involving the Goa education minister's elder son Rohit and a German minor, the girl has refused to give her statement to the police and subject herself to a medical examination. We can't wait too long. If the girl fails to give her statement, we will have a difficult case on our hands, said superintendent of police (North) Bosco George. She is under psychological counselling and we are hopeful that she will give her statement, he added. The police are still searching for Rohit, who is absconding. If he thinks he is innocent, Babush should produce his son before the police, said George. The option of arresting Babush is also open, he added. The police have provided armed security to the mother and daughter. A police team, along with a child activist, had gone to the minor's residence on Tuesday night to convince her to give her statement and submit herself to a medical examination. However, the minor threw a tantrum, locked herself up in a room and refused to meet anyone, said a police official. On Wednesday, a police team accompanied by a child activist and a child clinical psychologist again went to meet the girl and her mother. Police sources said the minor's statement and medical examination is crucial to the case as the mother's complaint on Tuesday had alleged that state education minister Atanasio 'Babush' Monserrate's son Rohit had sexually assaulted her daughter, outraged her modesty and raped her, offences punishable under section 354 and 376 of IPC. However, Aires Rodrigues, the woman's counsel, said the girl's statement is not important as copies of SMSs sent by Rohit have been produced before the police. The case will not fall apart. As per the Goa Children's Act, the onus is on the accused to prove he is not guilty. Let Rohit prove that he has not sexually abused the minor, he said. Rodrigues added that the girl will give her statement and even go for a medical examination. At the moment, the mother is going through a trauma and the child is also scared, he said, adding, The minor is under pressure from Rohit and is protective of him. Recollecting about a call the mother received from her minor daughter after she filed a complaint on October 2 at Calangute police station, Rodrigues said, She called her mother and asked her to withdraw the complaint as she didn't want Rohit to get into any trouble. The mother has also said that the daughter is upset and confused. She thinks of Rohit as a friend and believes that I am against her friends. But I explained to her that what he did was wrong, added the mother. Police officials said they have asked for the call details of both Rohit and the minor girl. The police also handed over the FIR to the children's court. COMMENT: Hmmm, another one which surprises, onus on the accused to prove his innonce! Good one, so he is guilty, now he should give himself up and clear his name as required by the Law. This not a misdemeanour this is a first class felony. As per Websters:- 2 a: a grave crime formerly differing from a misdemeanor under English common law by involving forfeiture in addition to any other punishment b: a grave crime declared to be a felony by the common law or by statute regardless of the punishment actually imposed c: a crime declared a felony by statute because of the punishment imposed d: a crime for which the punishment in federal law may be death or imprisonment for more than one year -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London.
Re: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
A minor Stockholm Syndrome? venantius From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit Rodrigues added that the girl will give her statement and even go for a medical examination. At the moment, the mother is going through a trauma and the child is also scared, he said, adding, The minor is under pressure from Rohit and is protective of him.
Re: [Goanet] Twist in tale: Girl tries to save Rohit
Gabe posted: [1] Aires Rodrigues said .. As per the Goa Children's Act, the onus is on the accused to prove he is not guilty. Let Rohit prove that he has not sexually abused the minor, he said. [2] Gabe's COMMENT: Hmmm, another one which surprises, onus on the accused to prove his innocence! Dear Gabe, Aires is correct. That weird Goa Children's Act 2003 says exactly that. I believe that the relevant Section has not yet been tested on appeal. I wonder IF the Supreme Court will find it constitutional. This is the same Section that Aires was brandishing around as a threat to the Ribandar-Old Goa priest who he (Aires) was threatening with a charge of Child Molestation. (BTW: Was there any vested interest e.g. BUS CONTRACT involving a friend of Aires a contract that the Priest had denied the friend of Aires? Were any Nuns in Old Goa threatened via phone? Just imagine: IF one of the goons decides to complain to the Police that Aires molested (any) 14 year old's breasts. May I ask, HOW Aires would go about proving that He had NOT touched her breasts? jc Here are comments about the Goa Children's Act 2003 http://www.colaco.net/1/gca2003.htm
