Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the point you were making Kamalaksh? I agree Gadgil might have misconstrued you, but what I understood from what you said was equally bizarre. Are you suggesting that Parrikar's being representative of Panjim somehow kept it more Goan than the other towns? If so, could you explain how exactly? Do you see migrants into Goa as a vermin, or some kind of a problem? If so, how are they different from the lakhs of Goans (literally) who migrate across the globe and to the rest of India? Please explain how is your view any different from those of the FN (National Front, not me!) or the Enoch Rivers of Blood Powells of the Sixties? Lastly, what is the approach of a national party like the BJP towards internal migration within India and beyond? While the saffronistas in cyberspace are quick to identify issues that could act as bees in the Christao bonnet (and maybe translate into votes) don;t we all remember the long queues formed outside government offices in Parrikar's Goa when the migrant poor were promised plots of their own in this State (not that it's a bad thing in itself, but from the blow-both-ways approach it seems like just mean to fool both the migrant voter and the local populace at the same time, with the promise of plots and the bogey of the outsider!) --FN RESPONSE: Hi Federick, Atlast you agreed that Mr. Gadgil miscontrued me. Well you'll always treat my postings as bizarre. Now answering to your response, you are putting your words in my mouth. I never said Non-Goans a vermin, you might think so. But let me tell you one thing if it continues the way Goans population is decreasing( i.e. non-goans flooding in Goa), Goa will be Mumbai in few years time thats for sure. So you want that to happen? Do you want Goans fighting for their Goenkarrponn in Goa as Mumbaikars do in Mumbai for their Mumbaikarponn due to increasing number of Non-Mumbaikars there? Are there Zopadpattis in Panjim area? Do you see Non-Goan labours crowd in Panjim which is observed in porvorim, vasco during early hours of the day? Is there Monte hill or Gandhimarket like area in Panjim which forms the votebank for secular(just for sake) parties? Goa is not that big to absorb all migrants. There should be some restriction on that count. Else Goa will loose its dignity as a tourist spot. Atleast Goa should not be treated as any other part of the world for that matter. Will you treat Jammu Kashmir same as Goa? Can you buy a piece of land in Kashmir easily n readily as in Goa? Haven't you heard Devegouda demanding for kannada language status for Goa? Do you speak kannada too? Its just a matter of time when we'll have Goans searching a piece of land for their future that all will be entrapped by Non-Goans. About goans migrating across the globe, its for their luxury they do so. I cant find any major reason behind their immigration except to improve their lifestyle exception might be those taking education there. Instead serving foreigners it would have been great if they would have stayed back in Goa and found out some ways to improvise on this wretched Goa's state. Finally Nor BJP neither any party can do anything on migration of citizens within India. Anyone in India can stay wherever he wants to. But do you want to see Goa stepping into Mumbai's shoes in terms of Non-Local population? And plz Dont ask me about BJP's view on matters, coz BJP hasn't got anything to do with me nor i am its spokesman. It was what i saw in some constituencies which got BJP seats and having minimal Non-Goan population. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
[Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org just have a walk to Mr. Parrikar's constituency and see. You'll see more Goans in his constituency then other Urban cities in Goa..example. Vasco, Margao, Ponda which are highly populated with Non-Goans.[Kamalaksh Chari] Here are a few numbers about Manohar Parrikar's constituency, Panjim, from the recent elections for what its worth. General Electors (total) 14352. This is the smallest among all Goa constituencies. It is smaller than Dhargalim's 16377 and Poinguinim's 15417. The biggest are Ponda (36578), Cortalim (34567) and Navelim ((34117). The total for the state is 995369. Hence Panjim's is about 1.5% (only). In the election, Panjim had a voter turnout of almost 70%. The total votes polled have been given as 10,564. Parrikar polled 6004 votes beating his nearest rival by 1444 votes. Extrapolation of merit in governance from this razor thin margin of victory in a minuscule constituency does seem rather far-fetched. It is quite possible that folks here have been carried away by the civic improvements attempted by Parrikar on a crash basis in 2004. It should be mentioned that land values in Panjim have reportedly zoomed by 100% in the last one year. Presently Panjim is believed to be the most expensive place in Goa to buy land. The wealth effect ascribed superficially and myopically by Goans to Parrikar may have been a contributory factor in his narrow victory. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org What was the point you were making Kamalaksh? I agree Gadgil might have misconstrued you, but what I understood from what you said was equally bizarre. Are you suggesting that Parrikar's being representative of Panjim somehow kept it more Goan than the other towns? If so, could you explain how exactly? Do you see migrants into Goa as a vermin, or some kind of a problem? If so, how are they different from the lakhs of Goans (literally) who migrate across the globe and to the rest of India? Please explain how is your view any different from those of the FN (National Front, not me!) or the Enoch Rivers of Blood Powells of the Sixties? Lastly, what is the approach of a national party like the BJP towards internal migration within India and beyond? While the saffronistas in cyberspace are quick to identify issues that could act as bees in the Christao bonnet (and maybe translate into votes) don;t we all remember the long queues formed outside government offices in Parrikar's Goa when the migrant poor were promised plots of their own in this State (not that it's a bad thing in itself, but from the blow-both-ways approach it seems like just mean to fool both the migrant voter and the local populace at the same time, with the promise of plots and the bogey of the outsider!) --FN On 13/07/07, KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its your mindset Mr. Gadgil. I haven't said that Non-Goans are anti-BJP/Parrikar and Goans are pro-BJP/Parrikar. You are here only to misguide the postings in your own sarcastic way. If that is the case than most of the goanetters posting against BJP/Parrikar are Non-Goans? Is that what you want say? Good Joke Mr. Gadgil( sorry Mr. Non-Goan). And ofcourse by posting misleading responses you are causing trouble in Goa. right? PS: Non-Goans i mean migrants which are now settled down in Goa, but are not born-goans. Example.in Vasco, mostly army navy officials are surplus, which according to law are goans now. In Margao, the market is run by majority of Non-Goans, which is the votebank for congress. So please dont misguide the rest Goanetters by your speculative response. -- FN: Frederick Noronha http://wikiwikiweb.de/MyContacts Phone 0091-832-2409490 Cell: 091-9822122436 or 9970157402 (after 1 pm) A film on copyright! GOOD COPY BAD COPY: a documentary about the current state of copyright and culture. http://www.goodcopybadcopy.net/ --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 11:06 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa ! Its your mindset Mr. Gadgil. I haven't said that Non-Goans are anti-BJP/Parrikar and Goans are pro-BJP/Parrikar. Then what did you say? I post your words again: Lastly, if you aware, just have a walk to Mr. Parrikar's constituency and see. You'll see more Goans in his constituency then other Urban cities in Goa..example. Vasco, Margao, Ponda which are highly populated with Non-Goans. And for that matter non-BJP constituencies are the one which are mostly crowded with Non-Goans. Meaning? That Parrikar wins because Goans vote BJP? Or that he has succeeded in keeping non-Goans out of Panjim through some complex strategems? Your meaning above is crystal clear. You are saying that constituencies in which Goans dominate are won by the BJP and constituencies where non-Goans dominate are not won by them. And you accuse me of sowing mischief? Next you will propose that voting for or against BJP should be a test of Goan-ness or lack of it. We saw the BJP try to play the outsider card during the Sanvordem-Curchorem communal violence. Your remarks are in the same vein. You are here only to misguide the postings in your own sarcastic way. If that is the case than most of the goanetters posting against BJP/Parrikar are Non-Goans? Is that what you want say? I don't say it, you did (see above). Good Joke Mr. Gadgil( sorry Mr. Non-Goan). Hum garv se kehte hain ke hum ghanti hain :-) And ofcourse by posting misleading responses you are causing trouble in Goa. right? To paraphrase your remark, we outsiders are the ones always causing trouble. Goans like you make such remarks in complete innocence with the intention of spreading harmony in society. PS: Non-Goans i mean migrants which are now settled down in Goa, but are not born-goans. Example.in Vasco, mostly army navy officials are surplus, which according to law are goans now. There is a law defining 'Goan' and 'non-Goan'? Please enlighten us further. I have heard of a domicile requirement of 10 years for admissions and certain jobs, but a law defining 'Goan-ness'? In Margao, the market is run by majority of Non-Goans, which is the votebank for congress. This is a meaningless statement. If this is the case, how did Digambar Kamat win when he was in the BJP, what happened to the 'Congress outsider non-Goan votebank' then? So please dont misguide the rest Goanetters by your speculative response. I rest my case. Let Goanetters judge who is doing the misguiding. -- Question everything -- Karl Marx --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:55:54 +0530 From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely equation you have worked out here: 'Goan' = pro-BJP/Parrikar 'non-Goan' = anti-BJP/Parrikar. As they say, it's always these [EMAIL PROTECTED]% bhaille causing trouble in Goa, right? RESPONSE: Its your mindset Mr. Gadgil. I haven't said that Non-Goans are anti-BJP/Parrikar and Goans are pro-BJP/Parrikar. You are here only to misguide the postings in your own sarcastic way. If that is the case than most of the goanetters posting against BJP/Parrikar are Non-Goans? Is that what you want say? Good Joke Mr. Gadgil( sorry Mr. Non-Goan). And ofcourse by posting misleading responses you are causing trouble in Goa. right? PS: Non-Goans i mean migrants which are now settled down in Goa, but are not born-goans. Example.in Vasco, mostly army navy officials are surplus, which according to law are goans now. In Margao, the market is run by majority of Non-Goans, which is the votebank for congress. So please dont misguide the rest Goanetters by your speculative response. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 20:58 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa ! Lastly, if you aware, just have a walk to Mr. Parrikar's constituency and see. You'll see more Goans in his constituency then other Urban cities in Goa..example. Vasco, Margao, Ponda which are highly populated with Non-Goans. And for that matter non-BJP constituencies are the one which are mostly crowded with Non-Goans. Lovely equation you have worked out here: 'Goan' = pro-BJP/Parrikar 'non-Goan' = anti-BJP/Parrikar. As they say, it's always these [EMAIL PROTECTED]% bhaille causing trouble in Goa, right? -- Question everything -- Karl Marx --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Stephen Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Goans, well Parrikar is a good CM, but not in BJP? let him join SGF n bring all from Bjp n Form the Govt, otherwise we will be non goan when we are Goan. stevbel RESPONSE: Hi Stephen, You said Parrikar is a good CM, then what he has to do with party if at all he's a good CM. SGF is a regional party and has formed only due to internal fights conflicts between SGF chief and some congressman. while on other hand BJP is National party and has spread its roots in entire nation. SGF itself is a 2 (or may be 3 in future) member party in Goa assembly which has got no clear agenda and i doubt whether it will survive next 5 years as a party( coz chances of merging it with other party are very high). Anyways parties are just the tools for contesting elections, and for that matter elections can be contested independently and won, take the example of 2 independent MLA's who won in recent elections with a good margin. Now giving good governance depends on person, and Parrikar is the lone person who can do so atleast in Goa. Changing parties doesn't change the attitude and behaviour of the person, coz moserrate, madkaikar, dhavalikar, kamat have changed their parties and from those some have changes parties like clothes, every elections, but that hasn't changed them, they are still the same person with same attitude(some dont even have that). Even If Mr. Parrikar joins any other party, his way of working the govt. will remain same, he's capable leader and handles the situation much better then anyone else in 40 member house. But the question in such situation will be, whether the other MLA's in that other particular party will support Mr. Parrikar in his good givings to Goa or not. The party in which Mr. Parrikar is, is the most stable party among all parties in Goa with no internal conflicts like Congress. Taking that into account Parrikar can serve Goa well rather than joining other parties. And lastly it will also take some time for Mr.Parrikar to settle down if incase he joins other party, to get familiar with those circumstances and with the nature of their MLA's. Lastly, if you aware, just have a walk to Mr. Parrikar's constituency and see. You'll see more Goans in his constituency then other Urban cities in Goa..example. Vasco, Margao, Ponda which are highly populated with Non-Goans. And for that matter non-BJP constituencies are the one which are mostly crowded with Non-Goans. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Dear Goans, well Parrikar is a good CM, but not in BJP? let him join SGF n bring all from Bjp n Form the Govt, otherwise we will be non goan when we are Goan. stevbel --- CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM ! Digamber Kamat will not do anything for Goa ! We need IITian Manohar Parrikar back in the saddle as CM ! Dr. Carmo D'Cruz Indian Harbour Beach, Florida -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] LIGHTEN OUR DARKNESS To: goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Chief Minister Digambar Kamat may have all the tactful and diplomatic skills but the power supply situation in Goa has not improved in spite of him being at the helm of the Power Ministry for over six years. Constant power failures and voltage fluctuations in spite of all the so called upgrading of the infrastructure is a matter of concern. Is one to presume that all the transformers, feeders and cables being installed are sub-standard? Over the last few years I have had to wake up the ever so obliging Digambar Kamat in the early hours of the morning to complain about power failures. Even last week I had to pick up the phone after midnight and Digambar as usual was very polite.I had probably not disturbed his sleep as he was himself having sleepless nights cobbling the cabinet expansion. In Digambar Kamat's bio data on the Goa Information Department web site it states that his special interest is ?helping needy people?. Please give us the uninterrupted light we desperately need though we are fully aware that politicians prefer to operate under the cover of darkness. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM ! Digamber Kamat will not do anything for Goa ! We need IITian Manohar Parrikar back in the saddle as CM ! Dr. Carmo D'Cruz Indian Harbour Beach, Florida -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) From: airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] LIGHTEN OUR DARKNESS To: goanet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Chief Minister Digambar Kamat may have all the tactful and diplomatic skills but the power supply situation in Goa has not improved in spite of him being at the helm of the Power Ministry for over six years. Constant power failures and voltage fluctuations in spite of all the so called upgrading of the infrastructure is a matter of concern. Is one to presume that all the transformers, feeders and cables being installed are sub-standard? Over the last few years I have had to wake up the ever so obliging Digambar Kamat in the early hours of the morning to complain about power failures. Even last week I had to pick up the phone after midnight and Digambar as usual was very polite.I had probably not disturbed his sleep as he was himself having sleepless nights cobbling the cabinet expansion. In Digambar Kamat's bio data on the Goa Information Department web site it states that his special interest is ?helping needy people?. Please give us the uninterrupted light we desperately need though we are fully aware that politicians prefer to operate under the cover of darkness. Aires Rodrigues Ribandar
