Re: [Goanet] What Goanet Means To Me
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. I thought it was Voltaire who said that: I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Voltaire http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/v/voltaire.html And, btw, there's another side to Tilak which they don't teach you about in school: QUOTE: Tilak is also today considered the father of Hindu Nationalism. He was the idol of Indian revolutionary Vinayak Damodar Savarkar, who penned the political doctrine of Hindutva. He started Ganesh utsav on large scale and used it a way for peoples literacy against English Raj. Tilak authored the well-regarded The Orion, or, Researches into the antiquities of the Vedas (1893) in which he used astronomy to establish that the Vedic people were present in India at least as early as the 4th millennium BC. Later, in 1903, he wrote the much more speculative Arctic Home in the Vedas. In it he argued that the Vedas could only have been composed in the Arctics, and the Aryan bards brought them south after the onset of the last Ice age. ENDQUOTE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bal_Gangadhar_Tilak FN On 05/09/06, Roland Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Remember Tilak and his famous words "I do not > agree with what you say but I shall defend with my life if need be, > your right to say it." -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] What Goanet Means To Me
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Since I have always been a sucker for anything free (I suppose it's the Indian in me), Joegoauk's invitation in 2 sentences or 3 to say what Goanet means to me is graciously accepted. Just as my father loved to gather around the stone bench under the banyan tree and discuss ideas and stories with his fellow Assgaocars, I take great pleasure in doing the same with my fellow Goencars spread all over the world. Hey that's about 5 sentences except for my propensity to roll them all into one. Another prize for that? Now about Goanet and how we conduct ourselves. All and sundry subjects should be open to discussion. I remember when I was 12 years old, Nehru's aunt Vijayalaksmi Pandit an erudite and cultured person in her own right, shocking our parents when she came to present a lecture to them in St Xaviers school. She said "let your children read anything and everything. You will be surprised at what good they will learn from it and how they will sooner discern the morally good and the repugnantly evil." What each one says on goanet is in the final analysis his or her own opinion. There is no such thing as religion bashing. If one side has presented their thoughts on atheism then those with faith are open to counter it. Let us avoid targeting individuals and instead seek out their thinking flaws and oppose it. Who knows whether their flaws are not really ours. There is no right and wrong in these discussions, there is just what fits your opinion. Remember Tilak and his famous words "I do not agree with what you say but I shall defend with my life if need be, your right to say it." Please avoid "hounding" anyone, however far out their thinking. It will be our collective loss to lose any person from Goanet and the diversity of thinking they bring to it. One Goencar gone, makes all of us a little poorer in thought. Take heed that not all people have thick skins. Some folks come on the net with sensitivities sharpened or dulled by their own experiences and they come to Goanet to drink of its clear water. The water may not always be still. They do expect it to be oftentimes muddy and roiled and they will still drink from it, but let not the water be so putrid that they recoil and avoid. And finally let us take ourselves seriously only when we have to act on something good, not when we discuss for example Hitler and the IIIrd Reich. The judgment of what Hitler did is at is best left to William Shirer, Hugh Trevor-Roper, the descendants of 6 million Jews and those of the countless millions more he caused to be killed. The Church is not free from blame and we are free to condem what was not done as much as what was. As we must stand ready for our own condemnation ourselves when we merit it. As Shakespeare said, "the world is a stage and we are all actors". Deo borem korunc tumin sogleanc bhavanndo and boininndo as my village parish priest would say when he saw the collection plates holding more bounty than was usual. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] What GoaNet means to me....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. On 02/09/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > the list being only 24th, with 12 posts in August. Fredrick is a > cyberjournalist, besides being a moderator, and so is entitled to his > prominent position but I wonder what Mario's wife considers herself ;-) For what it's worth, may I add that I don't believe in initiating a new form of cyber-castes. So I claim no special priviledge, when it comes to posting rights on Goanet. (Sometimes, I am embarassed of being on the border of violating the four-posts-a-day rule, and request my fellow moderators to delay some my posts.) Also I don't believe that quantity is any criteria for judging content. Someone might send in one post, and that might outweigh the many posts of others. To be specific, the posts of a Roland Francis and an Elisabeth/Selma have impressed, as has George Pinto's humour, the rare Eddie Fernandes find we come across, Domnic Fernandes' lovely antique bookshelf, and others that might have slipped me on an under-slept day. (Of course, there's a bias here, in the sense of appreciating what tallies with my own biases in terms of perspective. That happens with all of us, doesn't it?) In defence (if there can be any) of myself, may I point out that: * Not all my posts are rhetorical responses to the ongoing debate. So to weight others in the same scale as me is unfair -- to them. * A number of my posts are cut-and-paste forwards which, to my mind, seem to be of potential interest to other Goaphiles. Of course, I don't pretend as if these cut-and-paste excerpts are my own, and try to source the same adequately. * And, having an intellectual fling with the idea of Open Access journals recently has only aggravated this trend. My misbehaviour on this front on the Goa-Research-Net is a case in point. So I plead guilty. * After 11+ years on Goanet (I wasn't there from the start), it dawned on the slow-learner that is me that the only way to survive Goanet is to take it lightly sometimes. So, some of my posts tend to be factual and serious. Others talk straight through the hat, knowing fully well that quite a few of my readers are going to take me seriously (and having a quiet chuckle while writing the same, as in the case of this post.) * Some of my posts are forwards of my own stories, blog entries, etc which I've anyway written... out of which I sometimes earn a living. So please avoid the temptation of comparing Mario unfavourably with me. I was equally embarassed when Elisabeth (in her bolder, pre-Selma days) drew resemblances between Che Guvara and me. What an insult, to Che, I mean. At the most, we can consider ourselves to be keyboard guerrillas [1], leading a safe middle-class existance! -FN, tuned into Lorna on AIR's Rainbow FM in the background. http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=guerillas guerrilla One entry found for guerrilla. Main Entry: 1guer·ril·la Variant(s): or gue·ril·la /g&-'ri-l&, ge-, g(y)i-/ Function: noun Etymology: Spanish guerrilla, from diminutive of guerra war, of Germanic origin; akin to Old High German werra strife -- more at WAR : a person who engages in irregular warfare especially as a member of an independent unit carrying out harassment and sabotage -- --- Frederick Noronha http://fn.goa-india.org 9822122436 +91-832-240-9490 http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] What GoaNet means to me....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My wife considers herself a 'GoaNet widow' and I > ranked at the bottom of the list being only 24th, > with 12 posts in August. Fredrick is a > cyberjournalist, besides being a moderator, and so > is entitled to his prominent position but I wonder > what Mario's wife considers herself ;-) Kevin, JoeGoaUK had a fault in his summary. Anyone, but anyone, can compete for the largest number of posts on Goanet. Fred, a journalist, managed to out number Mario this month. However, what really is important, and Mario will confirm this, is the number of words in each email. Fred chooses his words carefully. Mario, oh, never mind. Mervyn3.0 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
[Goanet] What GoaNet means to me....
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. JoeGoaUK, "... a chance to interact with country-cousins and make new friends. Although my views may be unconventional, I commend Herman and his team of volunteer moderators giving me this opportunity to air them and for being able to keep this list interesting and interactive." My wife considers herself a 'GoaNet widow' and I ranked at the bottom of the list being only 24th, with 12 posts in August. Fredrick is a cyberjournalist, besides being a moderator, and so is entitled to his prominent position but I wonder what Mario's wife considers herself ;-) 5 of the top 10 positions went to the Liberals/Democrats and 2 to the Conservatives/Republicans (see ps. below) however, I'm sure Mario gets top honours for total number of original keystrokes (as opposed to forwarded/copy-pasted material) regardless of how repititive his ideas or phrases were. Sorry if I missed out the political leanings of others in the top 10. Kevin Saldanha Mississauga, ON. ps. Selma/Elizabeth had two cyberpersonalities but combined she tied with George with 52 posts beating out Santosh by one post!! /ks -- TOP 25 (August) 1. FN 109 2. Mario Goveia 97 3. Cornel 56 4. JoeGoaUk 54 5. George Pinto 52 6. Santosh Helekar 51 7. Gabe Menezes 45 8. Gilbert Lawrence 38 9. R. Barreto 38 10. Goanet News Serv. 34 11. Jose Colaco 30 12. Albert D souza 29 12. Domnic Ferns 29 13. Elizabeth Carvalho 28 13. Merwyn Lobo 28 13. Carvalho 28 15. Roland Francis 25 16. Cecil Pinto 20 16. Goa 20 17. Francis Rodrigues 19 17. Nasci Caldeira 19 18. Carmo D cruz 17 18. Godfrey Gonsalves 17 19. Eugene Correia 16 19. Goacan 16 20. Aristo 15 21. Radhakrishna Nair 15 21. Valmiki Faleiro 15 22. A Veronica 14 22. Peter D Souza 14 23. Borg Costa 13 23. Coa Sesc 13 23. Vivek 13 24. Eddie Verdes 12 24. Lino Dourado 12 24. Saligao at 12 25. Goanet Reader 11 25. Vidyadhar Gadgil 11 mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org