[Goanet] suggestions please "protection of goan land"
Date: 9 May 2008 11:16:56 - From: "jane gillian rodrigues" > I enjoyed your replies to my e-mail, and thank you for the same, but you have not offered any solutions to "protecting Goan Land". > Mario responds: > Jane Gillian, > I spend my days wondering how I can provide you with an enjoyable education on how the world works:-)) > Regarding offering solutions, how did you miss the following post? > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072036.html > Starting with that post I have become like a stuck record on how Goa can protect it's environment through local zoning laws rather than authoritarian separatist Marxist notions that have no place in a modern democracy having failed wherever else they have been used. Zoning laws control development without stopping it and make it compatible with the surroundings, history, architecture, culture etc. > By the way, local zoning laws are not specific to the US, they are used across Europe and in every rational civilized country. > Jane Gillian wrote: > A) does the constitutional freedom to own personal property also include destroying nature? > Mario responds: > No it doesn't. Anyone who deliberately destroys nature should be locked up, after they are soundly spanked, and they should then throw away the key. > The real issue in a free democracy is who gets to decide whether an owner of private property is "destroying nature". Zoning laws, which are developed with local input, are a sensible solution that control development without preventing it and make it compatible with the local environment. Everyone wins. > Jane Gillian wrote: > Could you please explain to me why Aldonkars have taken a stand, making it the governments business to prevent misuse/sale of their village land to other Indians? What about SEZ??? > Mario responds: > To begin with, my comment you are referring said it was none of the government's business why someone would want to sell their property, not what is done with the property after someone buys it. > Citizens in a democracy can get together collectively to influence their local legislators, as the Aldonkars did and the SEZ opponents as well. This is perfectly legitimate as long as it does not trample on the rights of minorities. These decisions can still be challenged in court and the legal system will arbitrate. All such heat and angst is precisely what zoning laws would avoid, up-front, before a project is approved, without village-wide or state-wide morchas on every project. > Jane Gillian wrote: > good suggestion, could you, or, any Goankar, suggest the name of a local goan businesswoman/man or others, who would provide this service to bungalow owners too? > Mario responds: > I will leave it up to those who live in Goa to refer you to private real estate and rental agents that rent property on behalf of absentee owners. > Jane Gillian wrote: > Thank you for referring to our Goa as a civilized, free, society. > Mario responds: > You are very welcome, and I want to keep it that way compared with those who want to intentionally or unintentionally turn it into an authoritarian separatist Marxist state. > Jane Gillian wrote: > A) The Voter gets the government she/he deserves. > Mario responds: > Isn't that what the Goans in Goa have right now? > Jane Gillian wrote: > (B) It is pretty scary, when we can see and hear a lot of people using the scariest of English words, to force the US govtmt, nay harass, the US govtmt to "help them", get into the US. > Mario responds: > I have no idea what you are talking about here. Unless they are being persecuted, no one gets into the US to get help from the US government which would prosecute and send them home if they are caught. However, the US Constitution does provide aliens who are in the country, whether legally or illegally, the same legal protections as citizens have. Immigrants mostly come to the US to get away from corrupt and socialist-type governments and for the limitless private opportunities of this free and diverse society. > In case you missed it here is an unbiased opinion based on personal observation on what the US I know is like from a non-American Goan who lived here for several years: > http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072789.html > Jane Gillian wrote: > (C) As for the US PREZ - I am at a loss, for the scariest words in the English language, (but I will do my best), which states "It is a shame and a disgrace that US citizens do not want to be ruled by a woman - Madame Hillary Clinton. In fact, Oprah Winfrey and other US feminists who talk a lot about "women power", are doing their best to see that the US does not elect a Woman Prezident, although many countries around the world, had a female - Head of State. > Mario responds: > Actually, you have unintentionally confirmed that the US is above making such important decisions based simply on gender or race, but on their perception of the whether the indiv
[Goanet] suggestions please "protection of goan land"
Dear Mario, I enjoyed your replies to my e-mail, and thank you for the same, but you have not offered any solutions to "protecting Goan Land". My reply to your statement below - (A) does the constitutional freedom to own personal property also include destroying nature? (B)Can you please check and let me know why Kashmir which is also part of a constitutional democracy only allows Kashmiris to buy property and not you, or, any one else???. "The last time I checked, Goa was still part of a constitutional democracy with guaranteed freedoms including the freedom to own personal property" My reply to your statement below - Could you please explain to me why Aldonkars have taken a stand, making it the governments business to prevent misuse/sale of their village land to other Indians?What about SEZ??? "It is absolutely none of the governments business why anyone would want to sell their property, neither is there any way for the government to prevent sales to other Indians, whether Goan or not." My reply to your statement below - good suggestion, could you, or, any Goankar, suggest the name of a local goan businesswoman/man or others, who would provide this service to bungalow owners too? "The private businesses that provide this service for absentee owners have a business incentive to do a better job." My reply to your statement below - Thank you for referring to our Goa as a civilized, free, society. "This is how civilized free societies maintain a balance between progress and development." My reply to your statement below:-Please remember - (A) The Voter gets the government she/he deserves. (B) It is pretty scary, when we can see and hear a lot of people using the scariest of English words, to force the US govtmt, nay harass, the US govtmt to "help them", get into the US. (C) As for the US PREZ - I am at a loss, for the scariest words in the English language, (but I will do my best), which states "It is a shame and a disgrace that US citizens do not want to be ruled by a woman - Madame Hillary Clinton. In fact, Oprah Winfrey and other US feminists who talk a lot about "women power", are doing their best to see that the US does not elect a Woman Prezident, although many countries around the world, had a female - Head of State. "The scariest words in the English language are 'I'm, from the government and I'm here to help you'" - Ronald Reagan. Regards, === Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:44:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] protecting goan land Date: 8 May 2008 10:44:24 - From: "jane gillian rodrigues" > The Goan government should only allow goans to sell ancestral property if the owner can prove he/she is facing financial difficulties, and no one else is capable of maintaining the property, through IT, bank statements, etc. otherwise selling of ancestral land should be completely stopped, in Goa. > Mario observes: > The last time I checked, Goa was still part of a constitutional democracy with guaranteed freedoms including the freedom to own personal property. > It is absolutely none of the governments business why anyone would want to sell their property, neither is there any way for the government to prevent sales to other Indians, whether Goan or not. I understand there are already prohibitions on foreign nationals with no ties to India from purchasing property in Goa, but also some loopholes in these laws. > However, the local Panchayat should be able to pass local zoning laws which would require the land to be used in ways that are compatible with its surroundings. For example, one can't build a factory in a residential area, or build an eight story apartment building in a neighborhood of single family homes, or build something that messes up a historical site as we saw from Rajan Parrikar's pictures of the St. Diogo church in Guirim. > This is how civilized free societies maintain a balance between progress and development. > Jane Gillian wrote: > Some beach resorts, in Goa, rent out the flats with the permission of the owners and the owner gets a good income, same way, the Goan government, should rent out these bungalows with the permission of the owners to tourists, and give the owners a part of the income so accrued. So, all goans benefit. > Mario asks: > Why would the owner of a private bungalow want the government to manage their property? Perhaps you have not noticed the gross ineffiency of almost every government department with the possible exception of the armed forces. The private businesses that provide this service for absentee owners have a business incentive to do a better job. Government bureaucrats have no such incentive. > "The scariest words in the English language are 'I'm, from the government and I'm here to help you'" - Ronald Reagan. >
