Re: [Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
From: "Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão" Santosh Helekar wrote : <<< I am happy to scientifically educate Ferdinando and correct his mistakes even though he keeps trying to insult me for some reason… These studies have led to the conclusion that there is no reproducible and reliable evidence for any kind of health hazard from these waves at the powers emitted by cell phones and towers, to humans and other animals. So all of the claims made below by Ferdinando are false. **It is unfortunate that Santosh is trying to dump his "scientific" crap on the Goanetters, including scientifically literate people like Dr.Ferdinando dos Reis Falcao. All of us know about hazards due to mobile phone as well as to aspartame. I have spoken to experienced physicians on these topics. Nobody agrees with Santosh, nor are they ready to discuss with him on any matter... The thought that comes to my mind is as follows: Is Santosh proclaiming these "scientific truths" only on the Forum for the readers, or is he also telling the same truths at home, to his own wife, daughters and sons and grandchildren, if he has any? This will be a lithmus test for his sincerity (or ignorance). Regards. Fr.Ivo - RESPONSE: Sorry Santosh, I do not need to be educated on falsehood. We already have 40 people in Goa who profess falsehood and give false assurances to Goans on a daily basis. They, like you believe: “INNOCENT until proved guilty!” Santosh, I regret I have to expose your ignorance on Goanet as you are incapable of giving responsible advice to layman on a public forum. I would have preferred a personal talk were it any other rational colleague. It must be remembered that medical professionals are duty bound to advise for betterment of humanity and not for their destruction. Whenever there are health risks, one needs to advise accordingly. Medical ethics do not permit giving false assurances when health risks are well documented. Is WHO a irresponsible institution according to Santosh? Please read here. Mobile phones increase risk of cancer, WHO study says : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3208416/Mobile-phones-increase-risk-of-cancer-study-says.html "Interphone Study Reports on Mobile Phone Use and Brain Cancer Risk" The real truth about the hazards, told by independent scientists. Physicians and Scientists for Responsible Application of Science and Technology (PSRAST) http://www.psrast.org/mobileng/mobilstarteng.htm Subjective symptoms, sleeping problems, and cognitive performance in subjects living near mobile phone base stations. Occup Environ Med. 2006 May;63(5):307-13. U.S. National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16621850?dopt=Abstract AND LASTLY, ALL GOANETTERS, PLEASE GO TO THIS SITE AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.psrast.org/mobileng/mobilstarteng.htm#junk Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
Most Goanetters should know this. But in case someone does not, let me state the obvious. Reliable medical knowledge cannot be sought from the random claims made by lay journalists in newspapers and political activist websites screaming all kinds of world-wide conspiracies. As I have mentioned in my earlier posts in this and related threads, WHO and other international health agencies state that there is no clear evidence for a link between mobile phone use and cancer (Please see my most recent Goanet post at http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg73334.html). Human and animal studies have predominantly discounted any such link. This is also true of the WHO study misreported in the newspaper link provided by Ferdinando below. Here is the entire original article describing that study, published in the International Journal of Epidemiology: http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/39/3/675.long I quote below the conclusion statement in this paper: QUOTE This is the largest study of the risk of brain tumours in relation to mobile phone use conducted to date and it included substantial numbers of subjects who had used mobile phones for ≥10 years. Overall, no increase in risk of either glioma or meningioma was observed in association with use of mobile phones. There were suggestions of an increased risk of glioma, and much less so meningioma, at the highest exposure levels, for ipsilateral exposures and, for glioma, for tumours in the temporal lobe. However, biases and errors limit the strength of the conclusions we can draw from these analyses and prevent a causal interpretation. UNQUOTE Cheers, Santosh --- On Tue, 2/15/11, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: > > RESPONSE: > Sorry Santosh, I do not need to be educated on falsehood. > We already have 40 > people in Goa who profess falsehood and give false > assurances to Goans on a > daily basis. They, like you believe: “INNOCENT until > proved guilty!” > > Santosh, I > regret I have to expose your ignorance on Goanet as you are > incapable of > giving responsible advice to layman on a public forum. I > would have preferred a > personal talk were it any other rational colleague. It must > be remembered that > medical professionals are duty bound to advise for > betterment of humanity and > not for their destruction. Whenever there are health risks, > one needs to advise > accordingly. Medical ethics do not permit giving false > assurances when health > risks are well documented. > > Is WHO a > irresponsible institution according to Santosh? Please read > here. Mobile phones > increase risk of cancer, WHO study says : > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3208416/Mobile-phones-increase-risk-of-cancer-study-says.html > > "Interphone > Study Reports on Mobile Phone Use and Brain Cancer Risk" > > > > The real > truth about the hazards, told by independent scientists. > Physicians and > Scientists for Responsible Application of Science and > Technology (PSRAST) > > http://www.psrast.org/mobileng/mobilstarteng.htm > > > > Subjective > symptoms, sleeping problems, and cognitive performance in > subjects living near > mobile phone base stations. Occup Environ Med. 2006 > May;63(5):307-13. U.S. > National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health > : > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16621850?dopt=Abstract > > > > AND LASTLY, > ALL GOANETTERS, PLEASE GO TO THIS SITE AND JUDGE FOR > YOURSELF: > > http://www.psrast.org/mobileng/mobilstarteng.htm#junk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. > > > > > Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
On Mon Feb 14 14:01:09 PST 2011, Santosh Helekar chimbelcho at yahoo.com wrote : <<< I am happy to scientifically educate Ferdinando and correct his mistakes even though he keeps trying to insult me for some reason……. These studies have led to the conclusion that there is no reproducible and reliable evidence for any kind of health hazard from these waves at the powers emitted by cell phones and towers, to humans and other animals. So all of the claims made below by Ferdinando are false. Cheers, Santosh>>> RESPONSE: Sorry Santosh, I do not need to be educated on falsehood. We already have 40 people in Goa who profess falsehood and give false assurances to Goans on a daily basis. They, like you believe: “INNOCENT until proved guilty!” Santosh, I regret I have to expose your ignorance on Goanet as you are incapable of giving responsible advice to layman on a public forum. I would have preferred a personal talk were it any other rational colleague. It must be remembered that medical professionals are duty bound to advise for betterment of humanity and not for their destruction. Whenever there are health risks, one needs to advise accordingly. Medical ethics do not permit giving false assurances when health risks are well documented. Is WHO a irresponsible institution according to Santosh? Please read here. Mobile phones increase risk of cancer, WHO study says : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/3208416/Mobile-phones-increase-risk-of-cancer-study-says.html "Interphone Study Reports on Mobile Phone Use and Brain Cancer Risk" The real truth about the hazards, told by independent scientists. Physicians and Scientists for Responsible Application of Science and Technology (PSRAST) http://www.psrast.org/mobileng/mobilstarteng.htm Subjective symptoms, sleeping problems, and cognitive performance in subjects living near mobile phone base stations. Occup Environ Med. 2006 May;63(5):307-13. U.S. National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16621850?dopt=Abstract AND LASTLY, ALL GOANETTERS, PLEASE GO TO THIS SITE AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF: http://www.psrast.org/mobileng/mobilstarteng.htm#junk Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
I am happy to scientifically educate Ferdinando and correct his mistakes even though he keeps trying to insult me for some reason. Most cell phones and cell phone towers emit radio waves just outside the range of what are regarded as microwaves. Microwaves is just a term generally used for radio frequencies greater than 1 GHz and less than 300 GHz. Most cell phones and towers transmit at frequencies below 1 GHz, more specifically in the range of 800 and 900 MHz. Some are still in the 450 MHz range. Only some 2G, 3G and 4G cell phones transmit in the low microwave range. More importantly, there is nothing special or dangerous about microwaves. The entire universe is bathed in microwaves, what has been called the cosmic microwave background radiation. In fact, the cosmic microwaves are smack in the middle of the microwave range. Their peak is at 160 GHz. They have existed in the microwave range since much before the formation of the solar system. In the peer-reviewed medical literature, scientific research on biological and health effects of microwaves and other radio frequency waves emitted by cell phones and towers, has been carried out on both humans and other animals. These studies have led to the conclusion that there is no reproducible and reliable evidence for any kind of health hazard from these waves at the powers emitted by cell phones and towers, to humans and other animals. So all of the claims made below by Ferdinando are false. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: > > RESPONSE : 1- > Why does Santosh omit stating that cell phones and towers > emit microwaves? Is > it out of ignorance or is it that his "reliable source" > from peer-reviewed > medical literature is not crap but ‘bullshit’? > > 2- Medical > research which can cause damage to the living are not done > on humans, but on > laboratory animals; like the birds and rats Santosh is > surrounded with. And microwave emitted by cell phones for a > certain period > of time has been found to cause damage in experimental > animals (as seen from my previous post). It is precisely > why > experiments cannot be conducted on humans. > > 3- Being > scientifically literate like exhibited in the above post, > is liken to Indians > being 90% literate. It is necessary to be knowledgeable and > use the knowledge > wisely, and not reproduce verbatim limited book > knowledge without any rational judgement of your > own. A computer or a robot can do that. > > > As I have > said once before : “Knowledge without wisdom is like a > load of books on the > back of an ass.” > > > Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. >
[Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
On Sat Feb 12 10:11:30 PST 2011 Santosh Helekar chimbelcho at yahoo.com wrote :<<< 1- Here are the differences between the radio frequencies emitted by a cell phone and a cell phone tower, and the microwaves generated by a microwave oven. 2- Neither cell phones/towers nor microwaves have been found to cause cancers or any other diseases in humans in the peer-reviewed medical literature. 3- I ask you to try to be scientifically literate and refer only to reliable scientific literature from responsible institutions and sources. Please ignore the crap that is written in posts such as that appended below, and on unreliable internet websites, such as some of those copied and pasted in it. Cheers, Santosh RESPONSE : 1- Why does Santosh omit stating that cell phones and towers emit microwaves? Is it out of ignorance or is it that his "reliable source" from peer-reviewed medical literature is not crap but ‘bullshit’? 2- Medical research which can cause damage to the living are not done on humans, but on laboratory animals; like the birds and rats Santosh is surrounded with. And microwave emitted by cell phones for a certain period of time has been found to cause damage in experimental animals (as seen from my previous post). It is precisely why experiments cannot be conducted on humans. 3- Being scientifically literate like exhibited in the above post, is liken to Indians being 90% literate. It is necessary to be knowledgeable and use the knowledge wisely, and not reproduce verbatim limited book knowledge without any rational judgement of your own. A computer or a robot can do that. As I have said once before : “Knowledge without wisdom is like a load of books on the back of an ass.” Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
I would like to correct the copied and pasted misconceptions and confusion spread in the post appended below. Here are the differences between the radio frequencies emitted by a cell phone and a cell phone tower, and the microwaves generated by a microwave oven. Cell phone/tower radio frequencies are in the range of 806 and 2690 MHz. More importantly, they are emitted at a very low power. Their power of emission is set by regulations to have a maximum specific absorption rate of less than 2 watts per kilogram of matter. At this range of frequencies and at this low power, electromagnetic waves do not interact with atoms and molecules of matter in any significant way. That is to say they cannot transfer energy to atoms and molecules of matter to any appreciable extent. Also, because their frequencies are very low their photons carry very little energy (~1000,000 times less than the energy of a photon of blue light) to begin with. The microwaves emitted by the microwave oven, on the other hand, are of 2.45 GHz (i.e. 2450 MHz) frequency, and are emitted at a very high power of 500 - 1000 watts. They are also concentrated by the reflective inner surface of the microwave oven. The precisely tuned 2.45 GHz frequency ensures that they cause small molecules such as those of water to rotate rapidly, which is reflected in the rise in temperature in matter containing these molecules. The high power and concentration (or focusing by reflective surfaces) ensures that a high amount of energy is transferred to these molecules. That is why food can be warmed or cooked in a microwave oven. Neither cell phones/towers nor microwaves have been found to cause cancers or any other diseases in humans in the peer-reviewed medical literature. I ask you to try to be scientifically literate and refer only to reliable scientific literature from responsible institutions and sources. Please ignore the crap that is written in posts such as that appended below, and on unreliable internet websites, such as some of those copied and pasted in it. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 2/12/11, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão wrote: > > Another perfect > example on Goanet of exposing one’s ignorance. > > RF Radiation has frequencies between 3 kHz to 300 GHz, and > it is used in radio communications, as well as > communication devices. Microwave > radiation is a type of non-communication RF Radiation, and > is a subset of the > RF frequencies. Both these are emitted by cellular phones, > towers and base > stations. > > QUOTE: > > 1- Mobile > phones use electromagnetic radiation in the microwave > range, which some believe > may be harmful to human health. > > 2- Part of > the radio waves emitted by a mobile telephone handset are > absorbed by the human > head. > > 3- One > well-understood effect of microwave radiation is dielectric > heating, in which > any dielectric material (such as living tissue) is heated > by rotations of polar > molecules induced by the electromagnetic field. > > 4- Swedish > researchers from Lund University …found a leakage of > albumin into the brain via > a permeated blood-brain barrier. UNQUOTE > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health > > > > QOUTE: Medical experts have confirmed that irradiation with > microwaves and > other radio frequencies can induce injury, illness and > disease, from strokes > and aneurysms to cataracts and cancer -- and death. > UNQUOTE > > Continue > reading at NowPublic.com: U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES AMERICANS > WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVES > | NowPublic News Coverage > http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves#ixzz1DkofiNeJ > > > > > > > > > Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. > > > >
[Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves.
Another perfect example on Goanet of exposing one’s ignorance. RF Radiation has frequencies between 3 kHz to 300 GHz, and it is used in radio communications, as well as communication devices. Microwave radiation is a type of non-communication RF Radiation, and is a subset of the RF frequencies. Both these are emitted by cellular phones, towers and base stations. QUOTE: 1- Mobile phones use electromagnetic radiation in the microwave range, which some believe may be harmful to human health. 2- Part of the radio waves emitted by a mobile telephone handset are absorbed by the human head. 3- One well-understood effect of microwave radiation is dielectric heating, in which any dielectric material (such as living tissue) is heated by rotations of polar molecules induced by the electromagnetic field. 4- Swedish researchers from Lund University …found a leakage of albumin into the brain via a permeated blood-brain barrier. UNQUOTE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_radiation_and_health QOUTE: Medical experts have confirmed that irradiation with microwaves and other radio frequencies can induce injury, illness and disease, from strokes and aneurysms to cataracts and cancer -- and death. UNQUOTE Continue reading at NowPublic.com: U.S. SILENTLY TORTURES AMERICANS WITH CELL TOWER MICROWAVES | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/world/u-s-silently-tortures-americans-cell-tower-microwaves#ixzz1DkofiNeJ Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves. HELEKAR
Ultrasonic waves are sound waves greater than 20 kHz in frequency. In other words, they are propagating pressure oscillations, or alternating compressions and rarefactions, occurring at a periodicity of more than 20,000 times per second in a medium such as air or water. Bats produce and sense ultrasound waves in the 40 - 100 kHz frequency range. Radio frequency electromagnetic waves are propagating oscillations of the electromagnetic field of frequency less than 300 GHz (300,000,000,000 times per second). They belong to the lower energy end of the same spectrum to which visible light belongs. Visible light consists of electromagnetic waves that oscillate in the 400 - 790 THz (400,000,000,000,000 - 790,000,000,000,000 times per second) frequency range. Electromagnetic waves do not require any medium such as air or water to propagate. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 2/11/11, Charudatt Prabhudesai wrote: > > Me: I want to know.But please do not post links. Write > in a nut shell,in broad lines of comparison and contrast. >
Re: [Goanet] ultrasonic sound waves/radio frequency electromagnetic waves. HELEKAR
Santosh: Please note that bats produce and sense ultrasonic sound waves, not radio frequency electromagnetic waves. Please let me know if anyone likes to know the difference between the two. Me: I want to know.But please do not post links. Write in a nut shell,in broad lines of comparison and contrast. Charudatta Prabhudesai Auroville . South India.
