Re: [Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Santosh, The problem in arguing with Gilbert is that the point of his posts keeps changing(now it happens in the same post, amazing!), that is why I once warned you against it. He is completely incapable of arguing point-counter point, and chooses instead to launch into long sermons interspersed with self patronising comments, bigotry and the occasional inapt use of Konkani phrases(as we have seen in the past use of bhamto, petoita muree, fugdi, etc). This time around everyone was first informed (quote) often Old grandmothers' observations are on or close to the mark. While their explanations for the observations may be unknown or not necessarily be correct, only a pseudo-scientist will disregard their observations.(unquote) In the very next line, following the description of the mice study/experiment we are further informed(quote)Thus the grandmother's observation was accurate.(end of quote) We were later warned (quote) So old grand-mothers' tales are not to be ignored except at our own peril! (end of quote) In between these two preaching's was the only informative part of the post which was (quote) The current explanation for this (statistical significant) observation is that the surgery depresses the immune system, allowing the tumours to now behave and grow even more aggressively. Hence cancer surgery has undergone and is undergoing significant shift. (end of quote) To a lay person there were clearly TWO points, no distortion at all !. The first was regarding latest cancer treatment(very informative). The next one was regarding the validation of a long standing grandmother's observation by a scientific experiment(pure nonsense!). It was clearly this second point you wanted to contradict and I have clearly seen that as has anyone with a half-decent command of the English language. Regards Sunith Velho Santosh writes: I humbly request Gilbert not to put words in my mouth or to point to Frederick's or anyone else's mischaracterization of my views. And I ask readers not to rely on someone else's opinion of what I said or implied. I trust Gilbert would try to understand and respect this simple principle of any public discourse. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Dear Sunith, Thanks for appreciating my perspective on the Goanet post that you are writing about. However, in addition to the point you have made, I have broader scientific and personal reasons for disagreeing with the contents of that post. From a scientific standpoint, as a professional scientist, I disagree with the description of the so-called mouse experiment, its apparent extrapolation to the human situation, the specific invocation and characterization of the immune system, and some of the generalizations made. Also as a professional scientist and at a personal level, I strongly disagree with the references to a pseudo-scientist in that post, and in a previous post in that thread. In any case, I have to say that I am thoroughly impressed by your perceptiveness. Cheers, Santosh ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Hi Gilbert It is perfectly normal and possible in any discourse whether spoken or written to have frequent genuine misunderstandings, misinterpretations of opinions etc. This is deemed to be part of the human condition. Are you seriously telling me that this does not even happen among spouses? If you do then I'd suggest that you haven't got a clue about male and female psychology and ways of thinking. All literature whether, philosophical, literary, psycholical, legal or sociological is about this phenomena of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. Further, I believe it is singularly absurd for you to suggest that anyone can promise not to misinterpret other people's posts/opinions. If we did this, there would be no point for debate, discussion and dialogue. It is also absurd because your stance suggests that there is or can only be one interpretation of an opinion at any given time and even worse, that, this is actually predictable. I really don't have anything more to say than I have done very briefly about the dear old Pope. I don't thing your cruise did much for your clarity of thought, but of course, I could have in all honesty, misunderstood or misinterpreted your questions to me! Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:20 AM Subject: [Goanet] Distortion Hi Cornel, I read your post with interest. I was taken a-back with your statement below which unfortunately is often seen on goanet. Why is it and why should we accept as quite normal the not infrequent misunderstandings, misinterpretations of opinions? Can we encourage Goanetters to promise not to misinterpret other peoples' posts and opinions? ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goanetters I regret to say that, I refuse to respond to Mario Goveia (unless I absolutely have to) for the simple reason that I provided proof that he had distorted my posts. He then used the distortions that he constructed, to mount absurd retorts on Goanet. --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the interest of candor and fairness from my standpoint, I have to say that I agree with almost everything that Cornel has written in his post below. This opinion of mine has nothing to do with politics, ideology or religion. It is only derived from personal experience in this forum and elsewhere. Like Cornel I will try to remain non-responsive in this matter, while unilaterally forgiving and forgetting all the past and present personal differences. Mario sets the record straight: This is another example of the pot calling the kettle black, without a single example as evidence. Similarly, I am still waiting for specific examples from Cornel about what exactly I had distorted of his convoluted rantings, and from Selma, asking for examples of where I had mentioned her name out of context. In case she misses the context here, it is generalized, mean-spirited criticisms of my posts without a single specific example being cited that I can clarify, respond to or apologize for in the spirit of honest debate. For an independent and specific example of the deliberate and serious distortions that Santosh engages in please refer to the recent discussion on cancer, and the comments in the URL below of the person whose comments had been distorted. Filomena's posts on the subject show how misleading Santosh's distortions had been. http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-September/048912.html The key excerpt: Your comment, Santosh, in warning us not to rush to judgement and give up operations for cancer (second line last paragraph), as a neutral reader of this discussion / thread, shows what a fine job Santosh has been doing with distorting my writings. I rest my case. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goanetters I regret to say that, I refuse to respond to Mario Goveia (unless I absolutely have to) for the simple reason that I provided proof that he had distorted my posts. He then used the distortions that he constructed, to mount absurd retorts on Goanet. Mario responds: Cornel, Such generalities and sissified complaints are demeaning - to you, especially for someone who has the nerve to claim that Hitler and the Mafioso are practicing Catholics, because they presumably said so and went to church, never mind what they actually did and do, that the Palestinian militants sworn to eliminate Israel are innocent victims of the Israelies, and that militancy of Islam is justified by some long gone history. I know you throw in the odd disclaimer, but there is no mistaking the general thrust of your comments. Why don't you give us some specific examples, and I will be glad to either clarify or apologize if you are indeed correct. ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
Re: [Goanet] Distortion of posts on Goanet
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. In the interest of candor and fairness from my standpoint, I have to say that I agree with almost everything that Cornel has written in his post below. This opinion of mine has nothing to do with politics, ideology or religion. It is only derived from personal experience in this forum and elsewhere. Like Cornel I will try to remain non-responsive in this matter, while unilaterally forgiving and forgetting all the past and present personal differences. Cheers, Santosh --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goanetters I regret to say that, I refuse to respond to Mario Goveia (unless I absolutely have to) for the simple reason that I provided proof that he had distorted my posts. He then used the distortions that he constructed, to mount absurd retorts on Goanet. I am not referring to possible misunderstandings, misinterpretations or differences of opinion because this is quite normal. I refer to my repeated point about Mario distorting posts, and my final hard evidence of distortion (by Mario) of my material, in the debate about the historical character of Hitler. For highlighting such distortion of my actual words, an apology from Mario would have been in order but it was not forthcoming. My position is that, someone who needs blatantly and desperately to distort wording of material to score points over another person's point of view is undeserving of any credibility or response in any discussion. My stance is entirely independent of other posters who have, in the past, referred to Mario's tendency for distortion of the actual material they had posted. Cornel ___ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
