Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Thanks Mervyn. Now I know better. Next time I want to use the Ostrich Myth, I will have to hunt google to find out what buries its head in the sand when in danger. :-)) May be a coward Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Mervyn Lobo" To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it floriano wrote: Ostrich, they say, buries its head in sand when in life threatening danger. Floriano, This is a myth. Here is the wikipedia reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrich Mervyn1140Lobo
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
floriano wrote: Ostrich, they say, buries its head in sand when in life threatening danger. Floriano, This is a myth. Here is the wikipedia reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostrich Mervyn1140Lobo __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
2009/11/15 TABP : > Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only > a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of > its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds > them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. Bennet, Your post is going to make it easier for the anti-English chauvinists to dismiss this as merely a colonial tongue! And its supporters as apologists of the colonial world order I would emphasize the fact that India is fast emerging -- if not already there -- as the largest English-speaking country in the world. [1] Never mind that we speak it in our own accents and dialects, as do many people across the globe, including the Aussies, and Buckingham Palace. Apart from that, I think it's just a democratic right of people to learn in whatever language they choose. More so in a out-migration oriented society like Goa where English is, for many, the language of opportunity. The claim of promoting the regional languages and the "mother tongue" is just a ruse, specially since there is virtually no education in non-English mediums of instruction after Standard V. FN "To conquer English may be to complete the process of making ourselves free." --Salman Rushdie [2] [1] India's estimated English speakers, no longer at 5% of the population, but 350 million out of 1 billion. The second-largest English speaking country is supposedly the United States (300 million). QUOTE The Philippine government still officially claims that the country (total population: 90 million, but less than half speak English) is the third largest English-speaking country in the world, despite all linguistic studies that show otherwise. China (almost 300 million so far out of 1.3 billion) is catching up quickly with India and the US. The UK (60 million), of course, outranks the Philippines. CLOSEQUOTE http://criticplaywright.blogspot.com/2007/01/largest-english-speaking-countries.html [2] http://books.google.com/books?id=rCsoQKH0cdkC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=use+English+africa+against+colonial&source=bl&ots=_Gt5LvAUm6&sig=E2n62lK_2H6_KE_3GOM30a-dxRc&hl=en&ei=o5ABS-i6HMH-kAXs7dT_Cw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBkQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=use%20English%20africa%20against%20colonial&f=false -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Cheers to Bennet Paes for his excellent thoughts. Ostrich, they say, buries its head in sand when in life threatening danger. Indians are no better than Ostriches when it comes to a language which is packed with power and which is the language of the WORLD. However, I/we are of the grounded belief that primary education must be imparted in the 'mother tongue' only because (95+) children who must go thro' the process of learning cannot be made to learn an alien language (such as English) to LEARN more about life. This is no learning but confusing the young minds, forcing them to be the miserable drop-outs when they could be geniuses. BUT, at the same time, tutored they must be in the English language (excellently) so that they are well conversant with the language when it comes to transition from primary to secondary level. What is in a language, afterall? I could talk Konkani 24 hours of the day and still not cross the front door of my house. With English, all I have to do is utter a word and it is heard the globe over. POWER it is. Once again, many thanks to Bennet Paes for saying what he has rightly said. At least I do have the choice not to want to be the 'rancid pickle' :-)) floriano goasuraj 9890470896 PS: As a young merchant marine officer, I was in British Columbia (Vancouver) in the early 70's. And I was kicking the football along with the local boys at a vacant lot near the berth when an elderly couple strolling by wanted to know where I came from. I pointed to the my ship. "Oh!" said the lady, "pray which country do you come from?" "India", I said. OH! said the lady again. "You talk very good English" "Ofcourse", I said. " Indian Parliament is conducted in the English Language" Oh! said the lady once again. "I didn't know that" Cheers - Original Message - From: "TABP" To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it Mr. Eric Pinto: In a civilized society one is free to express his opinion (no matter how low), but inciting others to follow it borders on 'Raj Thackeray-ism', and it's deplorable. Bennet Paes --- On Sun, 15/11/09, eric pinto wrote: From: eric pinto Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:09 PM Will someone who resides in india please 'faceoff' on this rather ridiculous comment and essay: it patently distorts the real situation on the ground in today's India. eric. LET’S FACE IT By: Bennet Paes Assolna, Goa. - - - - - Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. In my opinion the best solution to the issue of languages in schools in India should be this: let each State make English as a compulsory medium of instruction, with either Hindi or the mother tongue of that State as optional. Tall order? No, even the slum-dwellers’ parents now want their children to be educated in English, because that’s the route Danny Boyle opened up to them to become millionaires. And that’s the writing on the wall. English is the official language of over 50 sovereign nations of the world, and is either compulsory second language or spoken predominantly in almost all the rest. Americans speak English in their own accent, quite distinct from the British. So do the Australians, Canadians, Ugandans, Jamaicans, etc. That’s on all the six continents of the world. So Indians can do the same, as millions are already doing it now, and be a part of what is today a ‘global village’. Remember, perhaps the only edge we have over rival China, is our literacy in English language which prompts overseas corporations to unload some of their valuable work over here and help boost our economy. Imagine what heights the Indian genius could take us to, if we became another English literate nation on the planet. And here’s an irony - The British, they say, left India divided. But it’s their language that leaves us united and prospering, too. Think about it! Footnote: What’s in an oath? Whether in Marathi or Mandarin, our Politicians would not abide by it, anyway. - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Mr. Eric Pinto: In a civilized society one is free to express his opinion (no matter how low), but inciting others to follow it borders on 'Raj Thackeray-ism', and it's deplorable. Bennet Paes --- On Sun, 15/11/09, eric pinto wrote: From: eric pinto Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Date: Sunday, 15 November, 2009, 3:09 PM Will someone who resides in india please 'faceoff' on this rather ridiculous comment and essay: it patently distorts the real situation on the ground in today's India. eric. LET’S FACE IT By: Bennet Paes Assolna, Goa. - - - - - Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. In my opinion the best solution to the issue of languages in schools in India should be this: let each State make English as a compulsory medium of instruction, with either Hindi or the mother tongue of that State as optional. Tall order? No, even the slum-dwellers’ parents now want their children to be educated in English, because that’s the route Danny Boyle opened up to them to become millionaires. And that’s the writing on the wall. English is the official language of over 50 sovereign nations of the world, and is either compulsory second language or spoken predominantly in almost all the rest. Americans speak English in their own accent, quite distinct from the British. So do the Australians, Canadians, Ugandans, Jamaicans, etc. That’s on all the six continents of the world. So Indians can do the same, as millions are already doing it now, and be a part of what is today a ‘global village’. Remember, perhaps the only edge we have over rival China, is our literacy in English language which prompts overseas corporations to unload some of their valuable work over here and help boost our economy. Imagine what heights the Indian genius could take us to, if we became another English literate nation on the planet. And here’s an irony - The British, they say, left India divided. But it’s their language that leaves us united and prospering, too. Think about it! Footnote: What’s in an oath? Whether in Marathi or Mandarin, our Politicians would not abide by it, anyway. - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/ The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Bennet Paes' essay and opinions are not ridiculous, but extremely valid in today's world. I am sure those employed by the multitude of Indian call centers, and those seeking such employ will agree with Mr. Paes. Ditto all those software engineers. Ditto all those seeking to work in any capacity abroad. I. Nunes --- On Sun, 11/15/09, eric pinto wrote: From: eric pinto Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 1:39 AM Will someone who resides in india please 'faceoff' on this rather ridiculous comment and essay: it patently distorts the real situation on the ground in today's India. eric. LET’S FACE IT By: Bennet Paes Assolna, Goa. - - - - - Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. In my opinion the best solution to the issue of languages in schools in India should be this: let each State make English as a compulsory medium of instruction, with either Hindi or the mother tongue of that State as optional. Tall order? No, even the slum-dwellers’ parents now want their children to be educated in English, because that’s the route Danny Boyle opened up to them to become millionaires. And that’s the writing on the wall. English is the official language of over 50 sovereign nations of the world, and is either compulsory second language or spoken predominantly in almost all the rest. Americans speak English in their own accent, quite distinct from the British. So do the Australians, Canadians, Ugandans, Jamaicans, etc. That’s on all the six continents of the world. So Indians can do the same, as millions are already doing it now, and be a part of what is today a ‘global village’. Remember, perhaps the only edge we have over rival China, is our literacy in English language which prompts overseas corporations to unload some of their valuable work over here and help boost our economy. Imagine what heights the Indian genius could take us to, if we became another English literate nation on the planet. And here’s an irony - The British, they say, left India divided. But it’s their language that leaves us united and prospering, too. Think about it! Footnote: What’s in an oath? Whether in Marathi or Mandarin, our Politicians would not abide by it, anyway. - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Let's Face it
Will someone who resides in india please 'faceoff' on this rather ridiculous comment and essay: it patently distorts the real situation on the ground in today's India. eric. LET’S FACE IT By: Bennet Paes Assolna, Goa. - - - - - Before the British arrived, the so-called India was only a bunch of princely states, each one with a language of its own. To-day, the language that realistically binds them all is English – not Hindi, or any other. In my opinion the best solution to the issue of languages in schools in India should be this: let each State make English as a compulsory medium of instruction, with either Hindi or the mother tongue of that State as optional. Tall order? No, even the slum-dwellers’ parents now want their children to be educated in English, because that’s the route Danny Boyle opened up to them to become millionaires. And that’s the writing on the wall. English is the official language of over 50 sovereign nations of the world, and is either compulsory second language or spoken predominantly in almost all the rest. Americans speak English in their own accent, quite distinct from the British. So do the Australians, Canadians, Ugandans, Jamaicans, etc. That’s on all the six continents of the world. So Indians can do the same, as millions are already doing it now, and be a part of what is today a ‘global village’. Remember, perhaps the only edge we have over rival China, is our literacy in English language which prompts overseas corporations to unload some of their valuable work over here and help boost our economy. Imagine what heights the Indian genius could take us to, if we became another English literate nation on the planet. And here’s an irony - The British, they say, left India divided. But it’s their language that leaves us united and prospering, too. Think about it! Footnote: What’s in an oath? Whether in Marathi or Mandarin, our Politicians would not abide by it, anyway. - The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Yahoo! Homepage. http://in.yahoo.com/
