Re: [Goanet] Let us pray for the world 

[JOSEPH LOBO]

   Tom,  I/m  not  quite  sure  who  you are  but, Thank You  for  your 
 message. Even  though  many  folk  are  sceptical  of  prayer,  we  folk  who  
do  believe  in  a God,  do  realize  that  much  more  than  we   know   can  
be  achieved  by  the  power  of  Prayer !


  Joe

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 7:53:06 a.m. EDT, Tom 
 wrote:  
 
 Received this from a friend please pray for the eradication of Corona Virus in 
the world.
May God Bless us all.







  

Re: [Goanet] LET US PRAY FOR PARRIKAR.....BUT NOT FORGET TO PRAY FOR OUR GOA

[Bernice Pereira]

The Lord has shown his might. Holy be his name.

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> On 21-Feb-2018, at 9:40 AM, Aires Rodrigues  wrote:
> 
> WHILE WE PRAY FOR CHIEF MINISTER MANOHAR PARRIKAR’S HEALTH
> 
> 
> 
> . …. LETS ALSO NOT FORGET TO PRAY FOR ALL THOSE GOAN FAMILIES WHO ARE
> SUFFERING  DUE TO INJUSTICES INFLICTED ON THEM BY THIS CORRUPT AND NEPOTIC
> MANOHAR PARRIKAR GOVT.
> 
> 
> 
> LETS PRAY FOR the families whose houses in Mopa were ruthlessly demolished
> by the Parrikar govt.
> 
> 
> 
> LETS PRAY FOR the thousands of families, children and elderly suffering
> from pollution and health problems due to coal dust and coal corridor
> allowed by the Parrikar govt.
> 
> 
> 
> LETS PRAY FOR the thousands of coconut trees chopped by the Parrikar govt
> to facilitate the Adanis and Jindals coal corridor.
> 
> 
> 
> LETS PRAY FOR the thousands of families, children and new-born that will be
> suffering from serious health problems due to the illegal Mobile Cellular
> Towers allowed to be installed within residential proximity by the Parrikar
> govt  to favour Ambani's JIO
> 
> 
> 
> LETS PRAY FOR the hundreds of Goan homes destroyed for creating the coal
> corridor for road widening to allow trucks to transport coal.
> 
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> LETS PRAY FOR all the farmers who lost their land for double tracking of
> railway tracks by Parrikar govt for the coal corridor of Adani
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> LETS PRAY FOR all Goans suffering due to ecological damage to our
> environment, its air, its water, its mangroves, its fields, its land, its
> forests, its wildlife, its natural resources due to the Parrikar govt’s
> current mission to loot, plunder and destroy Goa.
> 
> 
> 
> LETS PRAY FOR peace and harmony within Goa, which is being destroyed by the
> RSS geared Parrikar and his communal party that is rupturing the social
> fabric of our Goa.
> 
> 
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> those who don’t have jobs, for those who can’t afford getting proper
> medical treatment, for those whose works are delayed by corrupt officials
> taking bribes and sheltered by the Parrikar govt.
> 
> 
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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:

Couldn't hypnotism also be considered a pseudo-science in its early days:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotism#History


Hypnosis has always been regarded as a legitimate natural phenomenon, although 
explanations to account for it have been fanciful and speculative. What has 
been pseudo-scientific about it, however, which is true in many cases even 
today, is that it has been taken over by quacks and New Age folk who advocate 
it as treatment for all kinds ailments without obtaining proper evidence for 
its efficacy in each case.


Strangely, mostly references to hypnotism, like the one above, have
little or no reference to Abbe Faria, and its history begins many
decades after the Abbe's times. Interesting!


This is nonsense. Abbe Faria figures prominently even on the Wikipedia website. 
Please see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_hypnosis#Abb.C3.A9_Faria


So when does non-Western knowledge become Science in the modern world?


This is a completely manufactured contention. Hypnosis was practiced both in 
India and the West, namely Greece and Egypt since ancient times. Abbe Faria 
demonstrated his technique and elaborated his views on hypnosis in Paris, which 
even geographically challenged people would tell you is a city that is located 
in the west. 

How a scientific theory develops and evidence accumulates in relation to a 
natural phenomenon is well known. It is being taught in every modern high 
school classroom. It is therefore really troubling and sad that a professional 
journalist like Noronha continues to disseminate the same irresponsible and 
deliberately misleading statements about science in this public forum. 

Perhaps, he does not realize that he is undoing the noble of task of all the 
science teachers in our schools, instead of helping them.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Frederick Noronha]

Couldn't hypnotism also be considered a pseudo-science in its early days:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnotism#History

This description from those times sounds very bizarre now:
In as much as patients can throw themselves into the nervous sleep,
and manifest all the usual phenomena of Mesmerism, through their own
unaided efforts, as I have so repeatedly proved by causing them to
maintain a steady fixed gaze at any point, concentrating their whole
mental energies on the idea of the object looked at; or that the same
may arise by the patient looking at the point of his own finger, or as
the Magi of Persia and Yogi of India have practised for the last 2,400
years, for religious purposes, throwing themselves into their ecstatic
trances by each maintaining a steady fixed gaze at the tip of his own
nose; it is obvious that there is no need for an exoteric influence to
produce the phenomena of Mesmerism. […] The great object in all these
processes is to induce a habit of abstraction or concentration of
attention, in which the subject is entirely absorbed with one idea, or
train of ideas, whilst he is unconscious of, or indifferently
conscious to, every other object, purpose, or action. (ibid)

Strangely, mostly references to hypnotism, like the one above, have
little or no reference to Abbe Faria, and its history begins many
decades after the Abbe's times. Interesting!

So when does non-Western knowledge become Science in the modern world? FN


2009/11/11 Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au:
 FWIW, Gregor Mendel, who is known as the father of modern genetics, was a 
 monk; as was, in a manner of speaking, Abbe Faria our own father of 
 hypnotism.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science
 http://scibel.com/scibel/materials_myths_few_scientists_true_christians.html
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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Frederick Noronha]

Interesting article!

Are the New Atheists As Bad as Christian Fundamentalists?
By Frank Schaeffer, AlterNet. Posted November 3, 2009.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/143674/are_the_new_atheists_as_bad_as_christian\
_fundamentalists?page=entire

The most aggressive members of the New Atheism movement have quite a
bit in common with religious extremists like Pat Robertson and Ted
Haggard.

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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

I am talking about priests who are not professionally qualified in any 
scientific field i.e. who have not obtained legitimate advanced scientific 
education and training. An example of such a priest is one who is posting bogus 
and dangerous pseudoscientific nonsense in this forum, and masquerading as a 
physician to dish out harmful quack advice to trusting poor patients.

Cheers,

Santosh

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

FWIW, Gregor Mendel, who is known as the father of modern genetics, was a 
monk; as was, in a manner of speaking, Abbe Faria our own father of hypnotism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science
http://scibel.com/scibel/materials_myths_few_scientists_true_christians.html




  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Gabriel de Figueiredo]

FWIW, Gregor Mendel, who is known as the father of modern genetics, was a 
monk; as was, in a manner of speaking, Abbe Faria our own father of hypnotism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_thinkers_in_science
http://scibel.com/scibel/materials_myths_few_scientists_true_christians.html



- Original Message 
From: Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Sent: Tue, 10 November, 2009 7:52:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Let us pray


 There are priests teaching Science in Catholic Colleges and Universities. 
There are Catholic priests who are the authors of scientific theories. There 
are Catholic priests who are working in the Pontifical Academy of Sciences at 
the Vatican. Dr.Santosh seems to be ignorant in this field.
Regards.
Fr.Ivo


  
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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:

Not every Hindu priest has the competence to discuss the relationship 
between Science and Religion. It is quite true that a scientist may not be 
able to tell us anything about religion, as it is the case with Dr.Santosh 
for the last seven years... My statements are not only within the limits of 
Christianity, but in the light of modern Science.


I forgot to mention that chauvinism of devout individuals of the type that is 
evident in the above statement, and the inherent conflicts between their 
religion and science, as well as the religion of others, often makes them 
oblivious of their own limitations. I hope nobody is foolish enough to believe 
that he can learn anything about science from a priest.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Ivo da C.Souza]

From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:


Not every Hindu priest has the competence to discuss the relationship 
between Science and Religion. It is quite true that a scientist may not 
be able to tell us anything about religion, as it is the case with 
Dr.Santosh for the last seven years... My statements are not only within 
the limits of Christianity, but in the light of modern Science.




I forgot to mention that chauvinism of devout individuals of the type that 
is evident in the above statement, and the inherent conflicts between 
their religion and science, as well as the religion of others, often makes 
them oblivious of their own limitations. I hope nobody is foolish enough 
to believe that he can learn anything about science from a priest.


***Again, Dr.Santosh has picked up a colateral statement and given his usual 
wrong conclusion. What is chauvinism of devout individuals? I repeat that 
not every Hindu priest can discuss the relationship between Science and 
Religion. Every Catholic priest studies science, philosophy and theology, 
and even so not every Catholic priest may be able to discuss this point. 
There are professors of Papal Seminary, today  called  Jnana-Deepa 
Vidyapeeth, in Pune who can discuss it well. How can a Hindu priest discuss 
the topic, except if he has studied science and Hindu theology? Dr.Jose 
Pereira, from Fordham University, would be able to discuss it, as well as 
the theologians of the Catholic Universities who are teaching Hinduism. I am 
discussing about Christianity and Science. Dr.Santosh cannot discuss this 
point, if we go logically according to his own premise: one should know 
science to discuss it. But one should know also theology. Dr.Santosh is not 
discussing the relevant issues, but harping on side issues... He is not 
discussing the topic. He is oblivious of his own limitations! I am 
discussing the topic of relationship between Bible and Science. I taught 
this topic for years. I stand by my statements. It is wrong and foolish to 
say that nobody is foolish enough to believe that he can learn anything 
about science from a priest. There are priests teaching Science in Catholic 
Colleges and Universities. There are Catholic priests who are the authors of 
scientific theories. There are Catholic priests who are working in the 
Pontifical Academy of Sciences at the Vatican. Dr.Santosh seems to be 
ignorant in this field.

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Ivo da C.Souza icso...@bsnl.in wrote:

I repeat that not every Hindu priest can discuss the relationship between 
Science and Religion. Every Catholic priest studies science, philosophy and 
theology, and even so not every Catholic priest may be able to discuss this 
point..How can a Hindu priest discuss the topic, except if he has studied 
science and Hindu theology? 


Is there a Hindu priest on Goanet who can tell us whether the above 
chauvinistic claims about the limitations of every Hindu priest, as opposed to 
every Catholic priest, are true or false?

It would be a shame to have such blanket assertions regarding other people's 
religion go unchallenged in a public forum, if indeed they are completely 
bogus. I being a scientist can only say that the claims regarding science in 
the above post are pure nonsense.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

icso...@bsnl.in wrote:

We cannot put God's healing power to test with scientific trials...


This shows exactly why there is a conflict between religion and science. This 
is why a religious priest cannot tell us anything about science, and a 
scientist anything about religion. Moreover, what a Hindu priest says is only 
valid from the standpoint of Hinduism. A Christian priest's opinions can only 
accepted within the limits of Christianity. Their chauvinism and parochial 
understanding have nothing to contribute to our universal knowledge of the 
natural world.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

While it may not be apparent to people who are easily taken by expressions of 
religious chauvinism in one form or another, and especially to those who fail 
to recognize the perils of cherry picking and selective reporting, scientific 
investigations about the relationship of religious beliefs with public health 
have yielded mixed results. Evidence supporting both the benefits and harms of 
religion to human health concerns have been reported. For example, here are 
recent reports of increased rates of teenage pregnancies and abortions 
associated with increased religiosity or religious school attendance:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090916223740.htm
QUOTE
TEENAGE BIRTH RATES HIGHER IN MORE RELIGIOUS STATES
ScienceDaily (Sep. 18, 2009) — Rates of births to teenage mothers are strongly 
predicted by conservative religious beliefs, even after controlling for 
differences in income and rates of abortion. Researchers writing in BioMed 
Central's open access journal Reproductive Health have found a strong 
association between teenage birth rates and state-level measures of religiosity 
in the U.S.
UNQUOTE

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090601091930.htm
QUOTE
YOUNG UNWED WOMEN WHO GRADUATED FROM PRIVATE RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS MORE LIKELY TO 
OBTAIN ABORTIONS
ScienceDaily (June 5, 2009) — Unwed pregnant teens and twenty-somethings who 
attend or have graduated from private religious schools are more likely to 
obtain abortions than their peers from public schools, according to new 
sociological research.
UNQUOTE

Despite the fact that most dispassionate observers have claimed that the jury 
is still out on the question of positive or negative health consequences of 
religion, my own view is that it offers a net benefit to the mental health of 
our society.

Cheers,

Santosh


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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Ivo da C.Souza]

From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

icso...@bsnl.in wrote:


We cannot put God's healing power to test with scientific trials...



This shows exactly why there is a conflict between religion and science. 
This is why a religious priest cannot tell us anything about science, and 
a scientist anything about religion. Moreover, what a Hindu priest says is 
only valid from the standpoint of Hinduism. A Christian priest's opinions 
can only accepted within the limits of Christianity. Their chauvinism and 
parochial understanding have nothing to contribute to our universal 
knowledge of the natural world.


***This only shows that Dr.Santosh is not open to the reality. He is biased. 
There is no conflict between Religion and Science. When I said that God's 
healing power cannot be put to test with scientific trials, I am speaking 
of the context that we cannot force healings through prayers. Prayer has its 
effects, even healing, as I spoke of the sacrament of the Anointing of the 
Sick. Miracles cannot be forced, they have to be  seen with the eyes of 
Science and Faith simultaneously. Again, Dr.Santosh is revealing his 
literary illiteracy while trying to refute what I said... He is taking it 
outside the context. It is totally wrong to say that a religious priest 
cannot tell us anything about science. Science is not Dr.Santosh's 
monopoly. He does not even understand the results of scientific reports. I 
am not discussing about what a Hindu priest has to say... Not every Hindu 
priest has the competence to discuss the relationship between Science and 
Religion. It is quite true that a scientist may not be able to tell us 
anything about religion, as it is the case with Dr.Santosh for the last 
seven years... My statements are not only within the limits of 
Christianity, but in the light of modern Science. They are not 
chauvinistic, nor parochial. This is the eternal ignorance of 
Dr.Santosh. I have explained what Science can say, what Faith can say... I 
stand by it. Let him that have ears to hear, hear...

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Ivo da C.Souza]

From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:

Prayer (of any religion, every religion!) could well be a low-cost,

less-stressful option to medical practitioners:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/23/AR2006032302177.html

 On the contrary, the above study showed that prayer had no medical 
 benefit for the patients at all. Please see:

 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12082681/print/1/displaymode/1098/

POWER OF PRAYER FLUNKS AN UNUSUAL TEST
Large study had Christians pray for heart-surgery patients
NEW YORK - In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having 
people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their 
recovery. In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a 
slightly higher rate of complications.
***Today medical science knows better about the body-mind relationship. 
Prayer does affect the mind-body of the praying person. It does not 
necessarily cure the heart diseases or cancer, but it has an overwhelming 
effect on the attitude of the suffering person. On the other side, we cannot 
attribute to prayer a worsening effect in the disease. Slightly higher rate 
of complications are not the effect of prayer. As Catholic priests, we have 
seen the healing effect of the Sacrament of the Anointing f the Sick. Not 
all will be cured and escape death. I have seen cancer patients dying 
peacefully after being comforted with the Anointing or God's Grace. We 
cannot put God's healing power to test with scientific trials...

Regards.
Fr.Ivo

PS: Even the Sanatanis were spiritual, before they

turned rabidly communal!

 The above should read before they turned rabidly violent. Almost all 
 chauvinistic religious organizations, barring the interfaith ones, are 
 by definition communal, irrespective of how spiritual they might be.
***Spiritual should not turn rabidly communal, much less rabidly 
violent. There is something wrong with this sort of spirituality and with 
the chauvinistic religious organizations
Fr.Ivo 

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Santosh Helekar]

--- On Mon, 11/2/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Prayer (of any religion, every religion!) could well be a low-cost,
 less-stressful option to medical practitioners:
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/23/AR2006032302177.html


On the contrary, the above study showed that prayer had no medical benefit for 
the patients at all. Please see:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12082681/print/1/displaymode/1098/

Here is the relevant quote:

QUOTE
POWER OF PRAYER FLUNKS AN UNUSUAL TEST
Large study had Christians pray for heart-surgery patients
The Associated Press
updated 3:23 p.m. CT, Thurs., March. 30, 2006

NEW YORK - In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having 
people pray for heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. 
In fact, patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher 
rate of complications.
UNQUOTE


 PS: Even the Sanatanis were were spiritual, before they
 turned rabidly communal!
 

The above should read before they turned rabidly violent. Almost all 
chauvinistic religious organizations, barring the interfaith ones, are by 
definition communal, irrespective of how spiritual they might be.

Cheers,

Santosh


  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Frederick Noronha]

As George Bernard Shaw said in another context the will to believe
creates its own evidence!

(This was in his play 'St Joan'... where he was poking fun, if I
recall right, of a 'miracle' that resulted in the hens refusing to lay
eggs as the Maid of Orleans, not New Orleans!, arrived on the scene.)

Imagine this: I read it as quite the opposite!

Must be a small miracle :-) FN

2009/11/2 Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com:

 On the contrary, the above study showed
 that prayer had no medical benefit for
 the patients at all. Please see:

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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Mario Goveia]

Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 07:23:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com

On the contrary, the above study showed that prayer had no medical benefit for 
the patients at all. Please see:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12082681/print/1/displaymode/1098/

QUOTE:
In the largest study of its kind, researchers found that having people pray for 
heart bypass surgery patients had no effect on their recovery. In fact, 
patients who knew they were being prayed for had a slightly higher rate of 
complications.
UNQUOTE

Mario observes:

Santosh,

For prayers to have any provable salutary affect on someone else's illness 
makes no logical sense to me.  If it did many more would recover than actually 
do.

It probably makes those doing the praying feel better and less helpless.

However, having been in this situation myself, I find it equally absurd that 
patients who knew that others were praying for them had a higher rate of 
complications.  Makes no sense.  I would think this would be neutral at worst 
and is probably a sampling anomaly, an observed correlation without being a 
cause.

When I had no idea whether I was going to live or die, I developed some 
psychological coping mechanisms and an attitude of acceptance of my situation 
but yet a resolve and determination to fight to the very end, which were 
substantially based on my personal religious beliefs and code.  This was partly 
credited by my treatment team with the positive outcome.

I was also determined to show those closest to me, especially my young adult 
kids, how to deal with a negative outcome with grace and dignity if it came to 
that, and to go out in style if I could.  I learned this from other friends who 
had died in similar circumstances and had impressed me with their attitudes.

Since my treatment team had been instructed in no uncertain terms from the 
outset that they should be as aggressive as they knew how, I was confident they 
would do their best.

In the end, who the hell really knows what worked?  Catching it in time, an 
excellent surgeon who happened to be an Indian, and every medical physician and 
technician guessing right on how to treat a very rare condition that they don't 
see very often, would be my guess.  

Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[eric pinto]

 Have you ever considered consulting a medical practitioner ? !    eric.


Albert writes:- Who will know about heaven, God, and souls better ? the one who 
has come from there or the one who is imagining things to be ? while on one 
hand Jesus who has descended from the Father, who has seen Heaven has told us 
to come to him and he will take us to the Father, what better assurance there 
can be then this ? Aren't we foolish to believe in someone who has never seen 
heaven, never seen God or purgortory? while Jesus speaks about heaven and hell 
people over here from time to time have been talking about purgortory and souls 
in purgortary casting aspersion on Jesus' preaching. And we the blind are led 
by the other blind leaders who have made just fake thesis for their own 
benefits or may be because they are ignorant. can some one give proof ?

                        
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Re: [Goanet] Let us pray

[Frederick Noronha]

Prayer (of any religion, every religion!) could well be a low-cost,
less-stressful option to medical practitioners:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/23/AR2006032302177.html
Looks like we still need a lot of it in Goa, despite the high
medicos-per-capita ratio :-) FN
PS: Even the Sanatanis were were spiritual, before they turned rabidly
communal!

2009/11/2 eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com

  Have you ever considered consulting a medical practitioner ? !
 eric.

 Albert writes:- Who will know about heaven, God, and souls better ? the one
 who has come from there or the one who is imagining things to be ? while on
 one hand Jesus...


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