Re: [Goanet] My world is always better than your world...
Like Admin Noronha, I too do not see that this guy is claiming that his world is better than someone else's. His proposal is that mythology and traditions shape people's ways of behaving and doing business. While there is some truth in this view from the subjective standpoint, the problem I see with his talk is that he goes overboard with his generalizations and metaphors, and ends up wrongly conflating the subjective with the objective. It is a classic example of comparing apples with oranges. The dichotomy he creates between the east and the west is entirely artificial, and of his own making, for this reason. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 10/15/10, Frederick Noronha wrote: > > Hi Selma, > > Devadutt Pattanaik > [http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/devdutt_pattanaik.html] > struck me > as making some very important points. > > His view didn't strike me as arguing that "India is > better", but just > different. Not just India, but a whole lot of societies > which have a > non-linear approach towards time. > > When viewed against the West-is-best, science-is-god, > we-know-it-all > approaches, the points being made struck me as something > interesting. > We could quibble about the examples he used to make his > point, but > what he said did ring a bell while I viewed it. FN > > Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 >
Re: [Goanet] My world is always better than your world...
Hi Selma, Devadutt Pattanaik [http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/devdutt_pattanaik.html] struck me as making some very important points. His view didn't strike me as arguing that "India is better", but just different. Not just India, but a whole lot of societies which have a non-linear approach towards time. When viewed against the West-is-best, science-is-god, we-know-it-all approaches, the points being made struck me as something interesting. We could quibble about the examples he used to make his point, but what he said did ring a bell while I viewed it. FN Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 15 October 2010 12:48, Carvalho wrote: > Dear FN, > Rarely have I come across a talk as full of nothingness as this one. First of > all, he implicitly assumes the Indian way is superior but more damning that > that, he assumes that old stereotype, East is East and West is West and ne'vr > the twain shall meet. In my experience, I have never come across human beings > that are fundamentally different. We are cosmetically different but never > fundamentally, never in aspirations and hopes. And this is what unifies us. > The world is changing because it is challenging every bit of nonsence that has > been placed before us by way of religion. The choice before is not whether we > shed our Indianess, the question before us is whether we shed processes that > don't work. They haven't worked for centuries and they will not work in the > world that we have to live in, which calls for the most efficient use of > resource and concepts. And in the end, there always is a one best way of doing > things. When we discover it, we call that progress. We may do this in terms of > technological advancement or ideological advancement, but the evolution of > human > society necessarily calls for the culling of ways that don't work and > embracing > ways that do. > This "our standards are different from their standards" is in my opinion, a > lot > of brown stuff being shovelled around.
Re: [Goanet] My world is always better than your world...
Selma, I agree with U fully. I do not understand why Frederick brings such crap to the attention of Goanet, in the first place. May I add: 'The Guy' has spoken nothing but crap and unholy crap that can only come from persons who are misguided by myths that are a figment of imagination of a 'ganja' loaded mind and the hallucination effect! In my way of enlightened modern way of thought, there is no East nor West as 'boundaries';There is only Old and Modern. Those who choose to remain old and irrelevant are Eastern and those who progress in many ways are truly Western! Like South Korea, Japan and Singapore are 'Western' and many in the western Hemisphere and in South Asia are Eastern and will always be that way until they change their total mindset. Perhaps that way, the twain shall never meet, for those in South Asia like 'this Guy' and the people and leaders from the RSS-BJP combine and also a la Saffron, will always feel that East is East, and West is West, and the twain shall never meet! These people have sadly missed the BUS; as the East and West have MET already and continuing; by shedding their old beliefs and customs and becoming modern with a touch of the culture one is born into! That is the way of the future not the Godhra or the Babri way! Nascimento Caldeira. --- On Fri, 15/10/10, Carvalho wrote: > Dear FN, > Rarely have I come across a talk as full of nothingness as > this one. First of > all, he implicitly assumes the Indian way is superior but > more damning that > that, he assumes that old stereotype, East is East and West > is West and ne'vr > the twain shall meet. In my experience, I have never come > across human beings > that are fundamentally different. We are cosmetically > different but never > fundamentally, never in aspirations and hopes. And this is > what unifies us. > The choice before > is not whether we > shed our Indianess, the question before us is whether we > shed processes that > don't work. They haven't worked for centuries and they will > not work in the > world that we have to live in, which calls for the most > efficient use of > resource and concepts. And in the end, there always is a > one best way of doing > things. When we discover it, we call that progress. We may > do this in terms of > technological advancement or ideological advancement, but > the evolution of human > society necessarily calls for the culling of ways that > don't work and embracing > ways that do. > > This "our standards are different from their standards" is > in my opinion, a lot > of brown stuff being shovelled around. > > Best, > selma
