Re: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity
A native can never be a governor of his native place. Nor can a native be an IGP. For obvious reasons (ie prevent possible coup-de etat or its equivalent). Only exception to the above convention was when a Goan, Bernardo Peres da Silva was made a Prefect (Prefeito do Estado da India) rather than Governor-General, in 1822 and then again in 1827. Therefore, a Goan can never be a Governor or an IGP of Goa. - Original Message From: Vasant Baliga vabal...@yahoo.com To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tue, 14 December, 2010 4:47:51 PM Subject: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity Oscar Lobo: And by the way, I was asked Why do we have a Sikh as the Governor of Goa? Don't we have reputable Goans left in Goa for this position? How can one respect our identity with a Governor from other state? Response from Marshall: As per the Constitution or maybe practice (I need to check and confirm) persons from the same state cannot be appointed as Governors. However, a few days ago Fredertick posted a news item that the head of the State Human Rights Commission was a retired justice from Bihar.This I am not able to fathom why a person from Bihar needed to be appointed in Goa. Comment from Vasant: There is no Constitutional Bar on any person being appointed as Governor of any state-General Sunith Francis Rodrigues was appointed Governor of Punjab in 2004-Sikhs could ask why a Sikh was not appointed to maintain the Sikh Identity? Justice Ferdino Inacio Rebello has been appointed Chief Justice of the Allahabad High Court earlier this year.Why not someone from UP? http://allahabadhighcourt.in/service/judgeDetail.jsp?id=156
Re: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity
The comment a Goan can never be an IGP of Goa was made to me by a prominent DySP of South Goa for reasons mentioned earlier. PS may have been in an acting position, but then I may be completely incorrect in this supposition. Gabriel. - Original Message From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thu, 16 December, 2010 8:43:10 AMhe deputations arrived? Subject: Re: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: Therefore, a Goan can never be a Gorovernor or an IGP of Goa. Prabhakar Sinari? jc
Re: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity
Why not someone from UP? Asks Vasant Baliga. Answer: Because other Indians in today's civil service are known to be mostly corrupt, Goans in the service have as much an impeccable reputation as Goan politicians are corrupt. Because Goa has so far, except for a rare occasion (when a Lt Gov was appointed), had inept, corrupt or just plain stupid Governors, typically like the one in office now. See-no-evil, hear-no-evil types. The State deserves a good one now. Because Ribeiro has a reputation for standing up to politicians and for cleaning whichever administration he had control over. If there is a non-Goan as capable as Ribeiro, sure bring him as Governor. Name some candidates if you can. Don't count on Generals, Admirals and Air Marshals - they have no civilian experience of governing. Because the first thing Ribeiro will do is to goad the CBI in Goa, the Anti-Corruption forces, the Collectors and whoever else can bring the corrupt to book. That will boost the morale and be a fine example to other honest administrators to do their job. Because the constitution provides for dissolution of the Govt and central rule when matters come to the stage Goa is now. Only a strong Governor can be up to that. The downside is when the period is over, Goa will go back to the old ways unless some safeguards are put into place. Roland. 416-453-3371 -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Vasant Baliga Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2010 6:18 AM To: Goanet Subject: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity Comment from Vasant: There is no Constitutional Bar on any person being appointed as Governor of any state-General Sunith Francis Rodrigues was appointed Governor of Punjab in 2004-Sikhs could ask why a Sikh was not appointed to maintain the Sikh Identity? Justice Ferdino Inacio Rebello has been appointed Chief Justice of the Allahabad High Court earlier this year.Why not someone from UP? http://allahabadhighcourt.in/service/judgeDetail.jsp?id=156
Re: [Goanet] Respect our right to Identity
[1] Oscar Lobo: I was asked Why do we have a Sikh as the Governor of Goa? Don't we have reputable Goans left in Goa for this position? (Response from Marshall): As per the Constitution or maybe practice persons from the same state CANNOT be appointed as Governors. However, a few days ago Frederick posted a news item that the head of the State Human Rights Commission was a retired justice from Bihar.This I am not able to fathom why a person from Bihar needed to be appointed in Goa. [2] Vasant Baliga: There is no Constitutional Bar on any person being appointed as Governor of any state. == jc COMMENT: While Oscar is making a good point about the Bihar's HRC head, I suggest that there is a distinct difference between an orange and a koala bear. Vasant Baliga is correct about the absence of any Constitutional bar to the appointment of in-State Governors. By convention, the Governor is appointed from another State, ostensibly /or ideally, to avoid any local political entanglement and to promote a detached objectivity to the Governor's actions. (Pylee's Constitutional Government of India 1984). What effectively happens is that Governorships are given to politicians aligned to the party in power at the centre for one of three reasons (a) to get the politicians out of his (home) State's political competition (b) as a paid-luxury holiday for long service (if one can use that term wrt politicians); (c) difficult State and no one wishes to go there. No prizes for correct answer as to which category Punjab belonged to during the troubles, and which category Goa continues to belong to. On the topic of objectivity and politicians, I am out of words! jc
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Baliga said: Justice Ferdino Inacio Rebello has been appointed Chief Justice of the Allahabad High Court earlier this year.Why not someone from UP? somment: Exactly! We would very much like Justice Rebello as Chief Justice of Bombay High Court. All the IAS officers in Goa also need to be packed off to their States as early as possible. Read GT today to understand the nuisance these guys are capable of. -Soter
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No word limit. Jason --- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Goanet - Bosco D'Mello wrote: RESPONSE: Rajan, your opinion notwithstanding, some queries: #1) Do the Goan people decide who is the Convenor of the GBA? Since the Convenor himself never tires of telling us (Goan people) you are the GBA, one would presume that the we get to decide who is the Convenor. In reality, the Convenor was installed. I had no issue with it until I later discovered what a rotten deal Goans had gotten into. #2) Do the members of the GBA executive support Dr Rebello? I don't know. All I know is many key GBA members express serious reservations after seeing through Dr Rebello's bogus claims about being an apolitical man while playing footsie with the Digambar Kamat govt, after his silly pronouncements about there being no non-Goans etc. Most will be loathe to say it aloud - one Core Group member has already gone public here on Goanet. #3) What is it that we want from Dr Rebello? I can't speak for we. What I would like is for him to step down and allow some genuinely dedicated worker to take over. Alternatively, he can stay as Convenor and take a mouna vrata to minimize damage. #4) The GBA were formed in the aftermath of the RP2011 being bulldozed on Goans. Did Dr Rebello and the GBA arrest the implementation of the RP2011? The GBA marshaled the Goan people to arrest RP2011. For that the GBA deserves lusty applause from everyone. Dr Rebello was only the public face of the campaign who got all the credit while the nameless, faceless foot soldiers busted their behinds doing all the spadework. You may say that a campaign needs an identifiable name and face. True, but that name and face must have done something to earn that honour. To date, Dr Rebello's 'work' has included only such back-breaking tasks as attending meetings, signing press releases, going on TV, and making speeches. #5) Why are we expecting Dr Rebello and the GBA to fight every environmental violation? In fact, we would have been thrilled if he had actually fought ANY ONE battle, let alone the war. Over a dozen other organizations support GBA. And your point is? Jason Monserrate wrote: Very simply, what is the solution to the ghati (non-Goan/anti-Goan) problem? How many marks question is this? Is there a word limit for the answer? Warm regards, r You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
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On Sun Mar 30 06:14:38 PDT 2008, Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: Dr. Oscar Rebello should be asked to step down as Convener of GBA since in my emphatic opinion he no longer represents the wishes and aspirations of the Goan people. Au contraire, his utterances are guaranteed to subvert them. RESPONSE: Rajan, your opinion notwithstanding, some queries: #1) Do the Goan people decide who is the Convenor of the GBA? #2) Do the members of the GBA executive support Dr Rebello? #3) What is it that we want from Dr Rebello? #4) The GBA were formed in the aftermath of the RP2011 being bulldozed on Goans. Did Dr Rebello and the GBA arrest the implementation of the RP2011? #5) Why are we expecting Dr Rebello and the GBA to fight every environmental violation? I find it impossible for Dr Rebello to deliver on all of Goa's needs. He has a personal/professional life too besides social activism. Over a dozen other organizations support GBA. On Fri Mar 28 22:02:45 PDT 2008 , Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: Finally - regardless of the political cast at the helm, I would urge the citizens to remain actively involved. This must be a novel idea to the Comrade, citizen participation and all. RESPONSE: I share this point of view. This has been proven to be a workable solution. Gerson DaCunha of AGNI fame has talked on this issue to Goans and I quote verbatim: The strategy is not to get at the land sharks, corruption, etc-that's hopefully the outcome of the strategy. The strategy itself is the creation of citizen numbers by networking existing bodies and individuals so that they can jointly raise a citizen voice that no politics or governance can ignore. Are we just frustrated that Goans cannot come together and instead create more GBAs to dilute and undermine the original GBA? Do we have more chiefs than ..?? Now mind you...Gerson DaCunha is a friend of Dr Rebello. - Bosco References: http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=952 http://www.agnimumbai.org http://savegoa.com/gba/about_us/
Re: [Goanet] Respect Our Right to Identity
To all, Very simply, what is the solution to the ghati (non-Goan/anti-Goan) problem? Jason --- Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To Goanet - Arwin Mesquita wrote: Goans should support your right to your identity/interests, likewise please respect our right to the same. Arwin, I hear you, and empathize with your sentiments. Right now, the first order of business is to save Goa from the Save Goa movements. The other day we had Dr. Oscar Rebello, Convener of GBA, claim on national TV that there is no such thing as a Goan and non-Goan. There is a thriving cottage industry of these snakes-in-the-grass activists here, these self-aggrandizing, self-promoting fellows who first ride on the aspirations of the common Goan folk and then use the popular campaigns to further their own personal and political agendas. Dr. Oscar Rebello should be asked to step down as Convener of GBA since in my emphatic opinion he no longer represents the wishes and aspirations of the Goan people. Au contraire, his utterances are guaranteed to subvert them. Regards, r You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
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To Goanet - Bosco D'Mello wrote: RESPONSE: Rajan, your opinion notwithstanding, some queries: #1) Do the Goan people decide who is the Convenor of the GBA? Since the Convenor himself never tires of telling us (Goan people) you are the GBA, one would presume that the we get to decide who is the Convenor. In reality, the Convenor was installed. I had no issue with it until I later discovered what a rotten deal Goans had gotten into. #2) Do the members of the GBA executive support Dr Rebello? I don't know. All I know is many key GBA members express serious reservations after seeing through Dr Rebello's bogus claims about being an apolitical man while playing footsie with the Digambar Kamat govt, after his silly pronouncements about there being no non-Goans etc. Most will be loathe to say it aloud - one Core Group member has already gone public here on Goanet. #3) What is it that we want from Dr Rebello? I can't speak for we. What I would like is for him to step down and allow some genuinely dedicated worker to take over. Alternatively, he can stay as Convenor and take a mouna vrata to minimize damage. #4) The GBA were formed in the aftermath of the RP2011 being bulldozed on Goans. Did Dr Rebello and the GBA arrest the implementation of the RP2011? The GBA marshaled the Goan people to arrest RP2011. For that the GBA deserves lusty applause from everyone. Dr Rebello was only the public face of the campaign who got all the credit while the nameless, faceless foot soldiers busted their behinds doing all the spadework. You may say that a campaign needs an identifiable name and face. True, but that name and face must have done something to earn that honour. To date, Dr Rebello's 'work' has included only such back-breaking tasks as attending meetings, signing press releases, going on TV, and making speeches. #5) Why are we expecting Dr Rebello and the GBA to fight every environmental violation? In fact, we would have been thrilled if he had actually fought ANY ONE battle, let alone the war. Over a dozen other organizations support GBA. And your point is? Jason Monserrate wrote: Very simply, what is the solution to the ghati (non-Goan/anti-Goan) problem? How many marks question is this? Is there a word limit for the answer? Warm regards, r
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To Goanet - Bosco, Note that while GBA deserves credit for getting the RP2011 scrapped, that did not mean it brought the violations, conversions and the sellout of Goan land to a halt. As I have shown in hundreds of photographs over the past one year, the concretization of Goa continues unimpeded and unabated. The lesson here is that one ought not to rush into victory parades and celebrations prematurely. Regards, r
