Re: [Goanet] Samir has never been communal
Dear Dr. Jose Colaco, I tried your prescription of cold water and cold shower, but the comment still sucks. ;-) Believing that your paediatric prescription to be for kids, I tried it with a Bloody Mary and cold shower and ... oh God! it still sucks. May be I should try some alternate medicine. ;-) I have to pay 'multa' on Frederick's birthday wishes. They are already a day late this year. May he have many more happier ones to come. this Boxing Day we were still sparring about the subtle differences between a theism and atheism .and the calibrated nuances thereof because of this thread. I also received support from unexpected quarters on how to deal with Dotor Samir. ;-) Mog asundi Miguel Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 04:19:36 -0500 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com Message-ID: 493963b50812260119h6f3b6f9dy52669e0b8f2b6...@mail.gmail.com jc's comments: 5: Whoever has been upset with the suck comment has excessive exotic imagination. 6: A tall glass of water and a cold shower is recommended for a 'chill out'. BTW: May I wish Frederick Noronha Ad Multos Annos jc -- Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/
Re: [Goanet] Samir has never been communal
Leo Conrad D'Souza leocon...@hotmail.com wrote: I understand being on the Goanet since its inception, every member is entitled to his/her opinion. jc's comments: 1: I agree with the above from Leo 2: Our entitlement to an opinion is subject to that opinion being based on reason. 3: I cannot say that Samir has never been communal 4: What I can definitely say is that I have yet to see the evidence of that. 5: Whoever has been upset with the suck comment has excessive exotic imagination. 6: A tall glass of water and a cold shower is recommended for a 'chill out'. BTW: While I have the opportunity, May I wish Frederick Noronha Ad Multos Annos jc
Re: [Goanet] Samir has never been communal
--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: On this Christmas day I have to defend Samir. To my memory he has never been communal. He was the only Hindu to immediately condemn the Orissa violence and to my memory has never taken a communal position in political issues. I know that Samir is not a communal-minded guy because I know him for more than three decades. But this business of deciding who is communal or not based on their condemnation of this violence or that, or taking what someone perceives as a communal position in political issues, is a rather frivolous and superficial way of forming serious opinions about other people. It depends on whether or not the person forming the opinion himself/herself has a communal bias. Moreover, it assumes that he/she has a clear understanding of the issues in question that is comprehensive enough to know that disagreements with him/her on them could only be for communal reasons. Things are never this simple in reality. As I have said before, the world is never so black and white. That is why relying on such superficial perceptions in a public forum is unfair and unhealthy. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Samir has never been communal
--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: It depends on whether or not the person forming the opinion himself/herself has a communal bias. Moreover, it assumes that he/she has a clear understanding of the issues in question that is comprehensive enough to know that disagreements with him/her on them could only be for communal reasons. Things are never this simple in reality. As I have said before, the world is never so black and white. That is why relying on such superficial perceptions in a public forum is unfair and unhealthy. --- Dear Santosh, Next time I form an opinion in life I'll be sure to conduct a ten-year objective study, followed by a five page desertion. Then I will confer with an academic faculty, have my findings published in a respected journal. Look forward to peer reviews. If and only if it is accepted by a jury of not less than 10 independent reviewers as being a possible true finding, will I take it to be my opinion on the matter. Meanwhile, do have a sherry on me. Best, Selma
Re: [Goanet] Samir has never been communal
--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Miguel Braganza miguelbraga...@yahoo.co.in wrote: I have no problem if Dr. Samir Kelekar, Ph. D is communal. We have even survived two stints of BJP rules in Goa and even in the Federal set up. Samir is insufferable in his use of the language, though I will grant it to him that Goanet Admin needs to take the rap for allowing the original posting through. The subject line God sucks, sucks no less! ;-( - Dear Miguel, Like I said I have a very long memory. Just a few months ago, you were needlessly being accused of being insensitive to Hindu religious sensibilities. You were called upon to apologise. I rallied to your defence then just as I must rally to Samir's defence now. Even I who am communally hyper-sensitive could see that Samir was expressing impatience with the longevity of the subject. He didn't mean to offend anyone, lest of all Christians and I do believe in this instance he used the term colloquially. Best, Selma
Re: [Goanet] Samir has never been communal
--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Next time I form an opinion in life I'll be sure to conduct a ten-year objective study, followed by a five page desertion. Dear Selma, By over forty years of subjective study I have learned that it is better to assume people are innocent and good unless they have actually committed some offense. And even those who have committed a non-violent offense cannot be condemned for life in a public forum. For example, it would be extremely unfair and foolish for me to assume that those who do not publicly condemn every or any instance of communal violence in this forum do this act of omission because they are communal or because they condone such violence. Serious public accusations cannot be made as knee-jerk reactions to superficial perceptions. They require serious thought. Merry Christmas to you and everybody else. Cheers, Santosh
