Re: [Goanet] The East Indians
There seems to be another law by which Goans (with Portuguese passports) are entitled to live in the U K Aries Rodrigues may be able to throw some light on this aspect of Goans and Portugal. Cheers Aloysius On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Roland Francis wrote: > I don’t know whether Britain “welcomed” the incoming Goans with EU > Portuguese passports. > > I do know they followed the EU law of which they were a member, which > mandated free movement of people with EU passports. > > Roland. > > > On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Gabe Menezes wrote: > > > > There are 25,000 Goans from Goa if not many more who have been welcomed > by > > Britain in the UK courtesy of their Portuguese Passports... > > > >> >
Re: [Goanet] The East Indians
I don’t know whether Britain “welcomed” the incoming Goans with EU Portuguese passports. I do know they followed the EU law of which they were a member, which mandated free movement of people with EU passports. Roland. > On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Gabe Menezes wrote: > > There are 25,000 Goans from Goa if not many more who have been welcomed by > Britain in the UK courtesy of their Portuguese Passports... > >>
Re: [Goanet] The East Indians
There are 25,000 Goans from Goa if not many more who have been welcomed by Britain in the UK courtesy of their Portuguese Passports... On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 12:39 Aloysius D'Souza, wrote: > Thanks Roland > Someone needed to say what you have just written -- East Indians lost our > because of themselves and sold out to outsiders so that today it is > difficult to spot East Indians in their own houses / villages. > > But Goans have not learnt from their (EI) experience!!! > > Some East Indians are now coming to Goa to regain some of the lost charm of > their old habitat. > > Where will the Goans go? To Canada, U K or Australia? We have been booted > out of Africa and other places which we rushed to at the British > command!!! But the British did not welcome us with open hands in the U > K!!! > > Are we, like the Jews, destined to have to migrate from place to place? > > Cheers > > Aloysius > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:04 AM Roland Francis > wrote: > > > They are a community of Bombay Christians who were the original > > (relatively) inhabitants of areas in Bombay like Mazagon, Sewri, Wadala, > > Dadar and Mahim and in suburbs around the north of the city like Kalina, > > Andheri , Versova and countless other wards, hamlets and towns. > > > > These places are located on the West Coast of India, puzzling any > newcomer > > with their ‘East Indian’ misnomer. Their explanation is that due to rapid > > spread of education among Bombay natives by the missionaries, their > > literacy was prized by the British and they were given jobs in the East > > India Company. > > > > To complicate things further, Goans once derogatively and dismissively > > called them Norterres. This probably referred to them being residents of > > northern territories. I used to wonder why the northern reference to > them, > > until the article I have posted about Bassein that indicated the > Portuguese > > referred to their settled lands north of Bombay Islands as ‘Northern > > Territories’. > > > > The East Indians have two major ancestral occupations or castes. The > > farmers or agriculturists and the fishermen. Being staunchly Catholic the > > single (unmarried) inheritors of properties and houses bequeathed them on > > death to the local church, in all piety. What became of those, is another > > story that would disgust faithful churchgoers. > > > > The East Indians of Bombay owned almost all the land and houses until > very > > recently, say the 1980s, when they sold out their properties and fields, > > their villas and bungalows to the big builders for a song. Being a fun > > loving but sincere people and hardy tipplers just like the Goans, it was > > easy to make them part with their only meaningful assets. Today 20 and > > higher storey buildings can be seen where once lovely villages with > quaint > > houses stood and narrow winding lanes meandered. > > > > Over the past few decades, they have woken up, somewhat like locking the > > barn after the horses have bolted and organized themselves under the > > association name of the Mobai (Mumbai) Panchayat to get some of their > > rights back from the pillaging criminals, politicians and municipalities, > > but that’s a losing battle because they have no political clout. > > > > Goa is a story that follows the history of the East Indians. Goans have a > > lot in common with them and like them the Goan in Goa will be a very rare > > and unprotected animal in a short while. The only difference is that > > outsiders robbed the East Indians, while Goan politicians rob their own. > > > > Roland. > > Toronto. > > > > >
Re: [Goanet] The East Indians
Thanks Roland Someone needed to say what you have just written -- East Indians lost our because of themselves and sold out to outsiders so that today it is difficult to spot East Indians in their own houses / villages. But Goans have not learnt from their (EI) experience!!! Some East Indians are now coming to Goa to regain some of the lost charm of their old habitat. Where will the Goans go? To Canada, U K or Australia? We have been booted out of Africa and other places which we rushed to at the British command!!! But the British did not welcome us with open hands in the U K!!! Are we, like the Jews, destined to have to migrate from place to place? Cheers Aloysius On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:04 AM Roland Francis wrote: > They are a community of Bombay Christians who were the original > (relatively) inhabitants of areas in Bombay like Mazagon, Sewri, Wadala, > Dadar and Mahim and in suburbs around the north of the city like Kalina, > Andheri , Versova and countless other wards, hamlets and towns. > > These places are located on the West Coast of India, puzzling any newcomer > with their ‘East Indian’ misnomer. Their explanation is that due to rapid > spread of education among Bombay natives by the missionaries, their > literacy was prized by the British and they were given jobs in the East > India Company. > > To complicate things further, Goans once derogatively and dismissively > called them Norterres. This probably referred to them being residents of > northern territories. I used to wonder why the northern reference to them, > until the article I have posted about Bassein that indicated the Portuguese > referred to their settled lands north of Bombay Islands as ‘Northern > Territories’. > > The East Indians have two major ancestral occupations or castes. The > farmers or agriculturists and the fishermen. Being staunchly Catholic the > single (unmarried) inheritors of properties and houses bequeathed them on > death to the local church, in all piety. What became of those, is another > story that would disgust faithful churchgoers. > > The East Indians of Bombay owned almost all the land and houses until very > recently, say the 1980s, when they sold out their properties and fields, > their villas and bungalows to the big builders for a song. Being a fun > loving but sincere people and hardy tipplers just like the Goans, it was > easy to make them part with their only meaningful assets. Today 20 and > higher storey buildings can be seen where once lovely villages with quaint > houses stood and narrow winding lanes meandered. > > Over the past few decades, they have woken up, somewhat like locking the > barn after the horses have bolted and organized themselves under the > association name of the Mobai (Mumbai) Panchayat to get some of their > rights back from the pillaging criminals, politicians and municipalities, > but that’s a losing battle because they have no political clout. > > Goa is a story that follows the history of the East Indians. Goans have a > lot in common with them and like them the Goan in Goa will be a very rare > and unprotected animal in a short while. The only difference is that > outsiders robbed the East Indians, while Goan politicians rob their own. > > Roland. > Toronto. > >
