Re: [go-nuts] Regarding contracts

2018-10-18 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
I don't think this is fear, but rather KISS. The reason many people dislike 
contracts from the official proposal is that they are complex and don't have a 
very Go-like syntax. 

I like this like syntax because I feel it is more Go-like, but also because it 
solves the operator problem rather elegantly and would allow us to unify the 
strings and bytes packages into one generic package.

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Re: [go-nuts] Go language should become an ANSI and ISO standard.

2018-10-13 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
I can assure you that my concern is not theoretical but based on real life 
experience. Unfortunately I am not at liberty to discuss in detail...

As for the approach, a community based workgroup with backing from Google may 
be a more viable idea.

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Re: [go-nuts] Go language should become an ANSI and ISO standard.

2018-10-13 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
I guess that would be a workaround, but a Go to, say , Ada transpiler is not an 
easy project. Still, something to consider.

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Re: [go-nuts] Go language should become an ANSI and ISO standard.

2018-10-13 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
Java and python have become so common that all but the most hard headed 
bureaucrats have to acknowledge those languages, if only for the ease of hiring 
people who can program in them. 

The same cannot be said yet of Ruby and Go, which are far less popular. 
Hopefully that will change, but for the time being a standard would help.

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Re: [go-nuts] Go language should become an ANSI and ISO standard.

2018-10-13 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
I see, I did not realize that in the USA, the standardization organizations 
expect to take control over the language. That is not very good. I understand 
people's concerns better now.

The Ruby standard was submitted through the Japanese standard organization 
which was far more sympathetic and flexible, and did not demand control at all. 
Since Google is multinational, I think we could "shop around" for the most 
sympathetic standardization organization.

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Re: [go-nuts] Go language should become an ANSI and ISO standard.

2018-10-12 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
Paul, I fully agree with your ideas on what should be standardized. Either a 
subset of Go1 or Go1 once Go2 is in full swing. Go++, perish the thought! >_<

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Re: [go-nuts] Go language should become an ANSI and ISO standard.

2018-10-12 Thread bjorn . de . meyer
I would not call it deceit, since the Ruby standard does accurately describes a 
subset of Ruby v1.8. It is more a workaround for institutional rigidity.

I guess we would likely be better of without such bureaucracies, but it is 
utopic to think they will disappear any time soon. The best we can do for now 
is to enable programmers to use of better programming tools such as Go in such 
environments. Paperwork is the only language understood there, and that is why 
a standard would help greatly.

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