Re: [go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

[Ben Hoyt]

Thanks for that, Axel. Good to know they're aware of it and working on a
solution (of sorts).

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:57 PM 'Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts <
golang-nuts@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> https://github.com/golang/go/issues/49765
> https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/website/+/366976/
>
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Re: [go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

['Axel Wagner' via golang-nuts]

https://github.com/golang/go/issues/49765
https://go-review.googlesource.com/c/website/+/366976/

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 8:50 AM 'Carla Pfaff' via golang-nuts <
golang-nuts@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 22:53:33 UTC+1 ben...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> 2) The download link is for the Windows binary, and I'm running Linux.
>> Would be nice if it could try to auto-detect based on my User-Agent, which
>> includes the words "X11", "Ubuntu", and "Linux".
>>
>
> The website already does this. At least on macOS I get the Mac version
> download link. Maybe there's a problem with the Linux User-Agent detection
> ... yes, the 'setDownloadLinks' function currently only distinguishes
> between 'isMac' or not:
>
> https://github.com/golang/website/blame/e0eb9bf3b15f4bee74782e245d3db37177b46822/_content/js/site.js#L131
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[go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

['Carla Pfaff' via golang-nuts]

On Wednesday, 24 November 2021 at 22:53:33 UTC+1 ben...@gmail.com wrote:

> 2) The download link is for the Windows binary, and I'm running Linux. 
> Would be nice if it could try to auto-detect based on my User-Agent, which 
> includes the words "X11", "Ubuntu", and "Linux". 
>

The website already does this. At least on macOS I get the Mac version 
download link. Maybe there's a problem with the Linux User-Agent detection 
... yes, the 'setDownloadLinks' function currently only distinguishes 
between 'isMac' or not:
https://github.com/golang/website/blame/e0eb9bf3b15f4bee74782e245d3db37177b46822/_content/js/site.js#L131

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

[Jan Mercl]

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 10:53 PM ben...@gmail.com  wrote:

> 2) The download link is for the Windows binary, and I'm running Linux.

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[go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

[ben...@gmail.com]

I don't think it's awful, and Carla's right, there's always going to be 
debate about these changes and a settling period. However, I do think the 
criticism of it being too corporate-looking now is valid. Two pieces of 
concrete feedback (in case the maintainers are listening), one on how to 
address the corporate-ness, and one minor quirk:

1) Putting the "Companies using Go" at the top makes it seem *really* 
corporate- rather than programmer-oriented. Why can't we lead with "Try 
Go", then "What's possible with Go", and only then "Companies using Go"?

2) The download link is for the Windows binary, and I'm running Linux. 
Would be nice if it could try to auto-detect based on my User-Agent, which 
includes the words "X11", "Ubuntu", and "Linux". Not quite as good for 
cache-ability, I know, but definitely a nicer user experience.

I like how go.dev looks quite good on a phone! Oh, and that they've kept 
the cute gopher(s).

-Ben

On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 9:21:33 AM UTC+13 Hein Meling wrote:

> I also don’t like it very much… it is just too noisy. But I haven’t spent 
> enough time with it to really make a note of concrete issues.
>
> :) Hein
> On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 7:46:19 PM UTC+1 poe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Am I the only one who thinks this? The old site golang.org had a simple 
>> and elegant design and appearance. It presented just most important 
>> information and essentials; the front page was small and straight to the 
>> point, and the navigation and site as a whole emphasized information and 
>> tools to get real work done. It was like the site embodied the principles 
>> and values of the Go language itself: simple, practical, and efficient; no 
>> bullshit. A site for programming professionals designed by programming 
>> professionals.
>>
>> Contrast with the new site go.dev: emphasizing and cluttered with sales 
>> pitch and persuasion tactics (as if Google's own successful usage and 
>> support for Go wasn't already enough to sell most people) and auxiliary 
>> information not directly relevant or helpful to the programming task at 
>> hand. The site looks and feels like it was designed by a third-party 
>> freelancer who just took a generic business template and added the color 
>> blue (the color of Go's logo). It displays no unique personality nor does 
>> it reflect the qualities of the Go language itself, unlike the old site. 
>> Sloppy margins and typography and obfuscated with auxiliary content, it 
>> seems no careful thought or subtlety has been given to its design or 
>> presentation.
>>
>> I can't think of one thing I like about the new site compared to the old 
>> one, and would like to see the old site make a comeback.
>>
>

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[go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

[Hein Meling]

I also don’t like it very much… it is just too noisy. But I haven’t spent 
enough time with it to really make a note of concrete issues.

:) Hein
On Tuesday, November 23, 2021 at 7:46:19 PM UTC+1 poe...@gmail.com wrote:

> Am I the only one who thinks this? The old site golang.org had a simple 
> and elegant design and appearance. It presented just most important 
> information and essentials; the front page was small and straight to the 
> point, and the navigation and site as a whole emphasized information and 
> tools to get real work done. It was like the site embodied the principles 
> and values of the Go language itself: simple, practical, and efficient; no 
> bullshit. A site for programming professionals designed by programming 
> professionals.
>
> Contrast with the new site go.dev: emphasizing and cluttered with sales 
> pitch and persuasion tactics (as if Google's own successful usage and 
> support for Go wasn't already enough to sell most people) and auxiliary 
> information not directly relevant or helpful to the programming task at 
> hand. The site looks and feels like it was designed by a third-party 
> freelancer who just took a generic business template and added the color 
> blue (the color of Go's logo). It displays no unique personality nor does 
> it reflect the qualities of the Go language itself, unlike the old site. 
> Sloppy margins and typography and obfuscated with auxiliary content, it 
> seems no careful thought or subtlety has been given to its design or 
> presentation.
>
> I can't think of one thing I like about the new site compared to the old 
> one, and would like to see the old site make a comeback.
>

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Re: [go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

[Steve Mynott]

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 at 19:13, 'Carla Pfaff' via golang-nuts
 wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 19:46:19 UTC+1 poe...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I can't think of one thing I like about the new site compared to the old 
>> one, and would like to see the old site make a comeback.
>
>
> Whenever a popular website launches a redesign a certain percentage don't 
> like it. I've been on the internet for 24 years and witnessed it countless 
> times. I've never once seen that time got turned back because of the 
> complaints.

Although since the website is open source and easily reproducible it
would be easy to resurrect in an unofficial form (as happened with
https://godocs.io/) should anyone care enough to do this. It only
takes a minute or two to run the old site locally.

I'll miss the old site which looked as if it were built for
programmers by programmers, but it looks like the new target audience
is corporate adoption and mobile which will help us all in the long
term.

It's clearly the product of much hard work, and it's certain to have
features missing in the old.



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[go-nuts] Re: New site go.dev is awful

['Carla Pfaff' via golang-nuts]

On Tuesday, 23 November 2021 at 19:46:19 UTC+1 poe...@gmail.com wrote:

> I can't think of one thing I like about the new site compared to the old 
> one, and would like to see the old site make a comeback.
>

Whenever a popular website launches a redesign a certain percentage don't 
like it. I've been on the internet for 24 years and witnessed it countless 
times. I've never once seen that time got turned back because of the 
complaints. 

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