Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

[Rafael]

GAE is 30x more expensive than hosting things yourself.

I know this because I pay $3000 a month for something that I could be
paying $70 :)

On Tuesday, October 22, 2013, stevep wrote:

> I remember the days of the GAE polls (think that product mgr may be gone
> now - at least the polls seem to be). An interesting poll would be which is
> more desired by customers: 1) Cost reduction w/ fewer new features, or 2)
> Current costs and feature progress. (I would add a third: 10x reduction is
> "oops GAE email" followed by item-1.) Not a productive meandering, but
> still of interest (I've more than a few years in corporate finance). -stevep
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2013 11:02:02 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>>
>> It is interesting to ponder. The theory is that GAE lets us scale... but
>> if it takes 100X the number of instances to process the same amount of
>> traffic, who but Google could actually afford to scale? And 100X might not
>> be unrealistic; a 16GB 8-core linode is down to $320/mo; an 8G 4-core
>> instance backed by SSD from digitalocean is $80/mo. Compute power is
>> becoming crazy cheap.
>>
>> The compelling thing about GAE is that you can run without a devops team.
>> That's worth a lot. But the price makes it not the obvious win that it
>> seems like it should be.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Claudio Antunes wrote:
>>
>>> I think App Engine is very, very good, but it is very, very expensive.
>>> Yesterday I was testing my application and I've did a comparison:
>>> About 600,000 pageviews delivered, I paid US$ 35 to Google.
>>> I'm using Frontend Instance Class F1 and 50 Max Idle Instances and 4.0s
>>> to Min Pending Latency.
>>> On my current hosting, VPS.NET , I pay US$ 30 daily to
>>> have 2 machines with 38.4GHz Dedicated CPU and 6152MB Dedicated RAM to
>>> delivery my application. As I use it only  12 hours, I pay only US$ 15.
>>> So App Engine Is very, but very, but very expensive. And if I enable the
>>> Cloud SQL, it will be yet more expensive.
>>>
>>> There is anyway to reduce the price?
>>>
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Re: [google-appengine] Missing Email Headers in BounceNotificationServlet

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:58 AM, Ivan Lazov  wrote:

> the exception is AccessControlException and here is the stack trace
>
> com.google.gwt.user.server.rpc.UnexpectedException: Service method 'public 
> abstract com.evo.gad.shared.Response 
> com.evo.adm.communication.client.rpc.RpcService.execute(com.evo.gad.shared.Action)
>  throws 
> com.opengrapes.common.widgets.ApplicationException,com.evo.adm.communication.client.rpc.SessionExpiredException'
>  threw an unexpected exception: java.security.AccessControlException: access 
> denied (java.lang.RuntimePermission modifyThreadGroup)
>
>


The library you're using is attempting to use threads (the
modifyThreadGroup call). App Engine's security policies block the use of
threads in frontend instances. You'll need to reconfigure your application
to skip using threads, or use background threads only:
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/java/backends/#Java_Background_threads



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Re: [google-appengine] Mobile backend starter does not work "out-of-the-box"?

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:12 AM, xybrek  wrote:

> The Mobile backend starter  (
> https://developers.google.com/cloud/samples/mbs/) doesn't seem to work
> "out-of-the-box", where I have deployed the backend from the Cloud console,
> and downloaded the Android app and typed the PROJECT_ID and PROJECT_NUMBER
> when running the Android app it throws this error
>


Did you set the mobile backend application to *Open* (step 8 in the
deployment process:
https://developers.google.com/cloud/samples/mbs/deploy_backend )? Do you
see any error logs or requests on the App Engine application's logs?

In addition, try inspecting the outbound connections from your Android
device and seeing where the connection is going to. The connection may be
going to the wrong application.

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Re: [google-appengine] how to update/copy from NDB Objects to local Objects?

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:10 AM, Vijay Kumbhani 
 wrote:

> in filterObj has many modules . it retrieve: *filterObj =
> records().query()*
> i can define *new = {}*
> *how to update ?*
>


Are you attempting to update a new object, or query existing objects with
no filters? Can you explain the use case of your application?

If you're updating an object, you can simply call put() on it to store it
in the datastore:
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/datastore/entities#Python_Updating_an_entity.
If you're querying with no filters, you can use a basic GQL query:
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/python/datastore/gqlqueryclass


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Re: [google-appengine] Problem in gdata library

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Vijay Kumbhani 
 wrote:

> i fetch all rows in Google spreadsheet but it get all rows if all cells
> between not empty rows
> any empty row find ... after do not fetch rows how to fetch all rows
>


Post the code you're using to fetch rows. Are you using REST or the client
library?


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Vijay Kumbhani 
 wrote:
>
> then row number *7 *do not fetch 
>


You can retrieve specific rows by issuing a GET request to the row feed.
Here's the documentation:
https://developers.google.com/google-apps/spreadsheets/#fetching_specific_rows_or_columns


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Re: [google-appengine] Code Igniter with PHP into AppEngine

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Franco Risso 
 wrote:

> I'm developing a web application using php codeigniter and mysql, is there
> a direct way to pass this into google app engine?
>
>

If you're asking how to upload your application and database data to App
Engine/Cloud SQL servers, it's fairly easy to push your data and code in.

To upload your PHP/CodeIgniter application, you can either use appcfg (
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/php/tools/uploadinganapp ) or
if you have git installed you can use Git Push To Deploy:
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/push-to-deploy

As for your MySQL data, you can import the data into a Cloud SQL instance
by following these instructions:
https://developers.google.com/cloud-sql/docs/import_export#migrate


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Re: [google-appengine] google endpoints restrict access to mobile clients only

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Abdel Bolaños 
 wrote:

> So the question is how to authenticate mobile apps (no users) and prevent
> HTTP request (unauthenticated)? I'am building my server API(enpoints) based
> on Python.
>
>

If you know the client IDs prior to deploying the application, you can use
Endpoint's built-in authentication:
https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/java/endpoints/auth#Java_Specifying_authorized_clients_in_the_API_backend

If you don't want to hardcode in authentication access, you can implement
your own authentication flow using libraries ( http://oauth.net/code/ ) or
use a federated login system such as one listed here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federated_identity


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Re: [google-appengine] AppEngine java shutdown

[Vinny P]

On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 4:19 AM, Tkhe Sik Kim  wrote:

> All servers stopped working. Google help. What happened?
>


Can you post a copy of your error logs here? If the logs reference your
code, can you also post the code portion that is throwing the error?


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[google-appengine] Stable URLFetch issues

[Nick]

I have absolutely had these experiences in the past. When I raised the issue 
through support, they were able to quantify roughly a 99% success rate, but it 
was very challenging for them to diagnose the root cause. At some point it 
mostly fixed itself up. My feeling is that the issue was probably related to 
routing from the data centre to the destination, a quirk or network config 
somewhere.

It was very frustrating, probably on both ends. I'd recommend raising with 
support if you can, I'm not sure how to progress if you don't have a premium 
account.

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Re: [google-appengine] Why GAE is very expensive?

[stevep]

I remember the days of the GAE polls (think that product mgr may be gone 
now - at least the polls seem to be). An interesting poll would be which is 
more desired by customers: 1) Cost reduction w/ fewer new features, or 2) 
Current costs and feature progress. (I would add a third: 10x reduction is 
"oops GAE email" followed by item-1.) Not a productive meandering, but 
still of interest (I've more than a few years in corporate finance). -stevep

On Monday, October 21, 2013 11:02:02 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> It is interesting to ponder. The theory is that GAE lets us scale... but 
> if it takes 100X the number of instances to process the same amount of 
> traffic, who but Google could actually afford to scale? And 100X might not 
> be unrealistic; a 16GB 8-core linode is down to $320/mo; an 8G 4-core 
> instance backed by SSD from digitalocean is $80/mo. Compute power is 
> becoming crazy cheap.
>
> The compelling thing about GAE is that you can run without a devops team. 
> That's worth a lot. But the price makes it not the obvious win that it 
> seems like it should be.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 4:41 AM, Claudio Antunes 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I think App Engine is very, very good, but it is very, very expensive.
>> Yesterday I was testing my application and I've did a comparison:
>> About 600,000 pageviews delivered, I paid US$ 35 to Google.
>> I'm using Frontend Instance Class F1 and 50 Max Idle Instances and 4.0s 
>> to Min Pending Latency.
>> On my current hosting, VPS.NET , I pay US$ 30 daily to 
>> have 2 machines with 38.4GHz Dedicated CPU and 6152MB Dedicated RAM to 
>> delivery my application. As I use it only  12 hours, I pay only US$ 15.
>> So App Engine Is very, but very, but very expensive. And if I enable the 
>> Cloud SQL, it will be yet more expensive.
>>
>> There is anyway to reduce the price?
>>
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[google-appengine] Re: vacuum_indexes is failing with yaml parsing error

[Kaan Soral]

I got a fast response to the production ticket, forgot to update the 
discussion here

turns out it's actually a 1.8.2/1.8.6 incompatibility, I haven't updated 
the sdk/verified yet

On Monday, October 21, 2013 9:12:48 AM UTC+3, Kaan Soral wrote:
>
> Thanks for the confirmation
> I have filed an issue, but either things have changed, or because I've 
> selected "Production issue" as the template, the issue was private, so 
> can't send the link here
> But hopefully they can see the bug from here or the issue and fix it soon 
> :)
>
> On Monday, October 21, 2013 6:25:14 AM UTC+3, husayt wrote:
>>
>> I have the same on 1.8.6
>>
>> On Sunday, 20 October 2013 19:52:27 UTC+1, Kaan Soral wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm using 1.8.2 - didn't update yet as I have manual modifications to 
>>> the sdk that takes time to replicate
>>>
>>> appcfg, after fetching indexes from appengine, throws the attached 
>>> exception
>>>
>>> Could be a 1.8.2/1.8.6 incompatibility, if appengine's index response 
>>> format have changed, if it is, I will update my sdk
>>>
>>>

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[google-appengine] Mobile backend starter does not work "out-of-the-box"?

[xybrek]

The Mobile backend starter  
(https://developers.google.com/cloud/samples/mbs/) doesn't seem to work 
"out-of-the-box", where I have deployed the backend from the Cloud console, 
and downloaded the Android app and typed the PROJECT_ID and PROJECT_NUMBER 
when running the Android app it throws this error:

10-22 03:14:01.990: W/AbstractGoogleClient(675): Application name is not set. 
Call Builder#setApplicationName.10-22 03:14:06.840: D/dalvikvm(675): 
GC_CONCURRENT freed 462K, 14% free 5685K/6535K, paused 15ms+23ms, total 
92ms10-22 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675): error: 10-22 03:14:06.870: 
I/CloudBackend(675): 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.json.GoogleJsonResponseException: 404 Not 
Found10-22 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675): Not Found10-22 03:14:06.870: 
I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.services.json.AbstractGoogleJsonClientRequest.newExceptionOnError(AbstractGoogleJsonClientRequest.java:111)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.services.json.AbstractGoogleJsonClientRequest.newExceptionOnError(AbstractGoogleJsonClientRequest.java:38)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.services.AbstractGoogleClientRequest$1.interceptResponse(AbstractGoogleClientRequest.java:314)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.http.HttpRequest.execute(HttpRequest.java:1060)10-22 
03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.services.AbstractGoogleClientRequest.executeUnparsed(AbstractGoogleClientRequest.java:412)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.services.AbstractGoogleClientRequest.executeUnparsed(AbstractGoogleClientRequest.java:345)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.api.client.googleapis.services.AbstractGoogleClientRequest.execute(AbstractGoogleClientRequest.java:463)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.cloud.backend.android.CloudBackend.insert(CloudBackend.java:111)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.cloud.backend.android.CloudBackendAsync.access$0(CloudBackendAsync.java:1)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.cloud.backend.android.CloudBackendAsync$1.callBackend(CloudBackendAsync.java:87)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.cloud.backend.android.CloudBackendAsync$1.callBackend(CloudBackendAsync.java:1)10-22
 03:14:06.870: I/CloudBackend(675):at 
com.google.cloud.backend.android.CloudBackendAsync$BackendCaller.run(CloudBackendAsync.java:428)

What could I be missing?

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Re: [google-appengine] Is it possible to run tidy at google app engine PHP

[Peter McKenzie]

Also, feel free to create an issue on the Issue Tracker to request the tidy 
extension (or any other extension you need).  No guarantees, but we do 
listen.

On Monday, October 21, 2013 7:00:15 PM UTC-7, Vinny P wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:40 AM, William 
> > wrote:
>
>> It seems like google app engine php doesn't have tidy extension, my 
>> question is , is there any way to use tidy on google app engine php?
>>
>>
>
> While the GAE PHP runtime doesn't have the Tidy extension, App Engine 
> offers a service called PageSpeed which performs a similar role to Tidy. 
> PageSpeed can optimize your pages for quick serving, and can perform a 
> number of other optimizations. Here's some documentation on it:
>
>
> https://developers.google.com/appengine/docs/adminconsole/performancesettings#pagespeed
> https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/service/faq
>  
>
> If you're using Tidy for its DOM parser, there are other HTML parsers for 
> PHP that you can include within your application.
>
>
> -
> -Vinny P
> Technology & Media Advisor
> Chicago, IL
>
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>   
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Re: [google-appengine] how to delete record in google spreadsheet using gdata ?

[Vinny P]

On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 11:38 PM, Vijay Kumbhani 
 wrote:

> how to delete record in google spreadsheet using gdata ?
>


There are a couple of different ways to go about doing that. You can go
through the REST API, or through a client library. For instance, to delete
a row in spreadsheets via REST, you issue a DELETE request to the following
URL:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/feeds/list/key/worksheetId/private/full/rowId/rowVersion(replace
row, worksheetID, etc with your worksheet's information).

See here for documentation:
https://developers.google.com/google-apps/spreadsheets/#deleting_a_list_row


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Re: [google-appengine] sending data from androind into datastore

[Vinny P]

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Oladapo Femi 
 wrote:

> Pls can some put me thru on how to send data from android app to
> datastore. thanks
>


Generally, you'll want to design some kind of App Engine application to act
as an API, moving/manipulating data from the datastore to your Android app.
Here is an example application to get you started:
https://developers.google.com/cloud/samples/mbs/


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[google-appengine] Re: [google-appengine-go] urlfetch OverQuata?

[Vinny P]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:35 AM, mschlimp  wrote:

> For this I use the urlfetch api.
> No I have the following resources used:
>
> UrlFetch API Calls[image: 0%]0% 191,936 of 46,342,179OkayUrlFetch Data
> Sent[image: 0%]0% 0.01 of 1,046.13 GBytes OkayUrlFetch Data Received[image:
> 0%]0% 0.05 of 1,046.13 GBytesOkay
> In the Logfiles I get the error for a urlfetch: OverQuota. Why that?
>
>

Can you take a screenshot of the stack trace for the over quota exception
and post it?


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:31 AM, Ibrahim M. Ghazal  wrote:

> The quotas are reset every day. Perhaps you exceeded the quota on a
> previous day?
>
>

+1, this is the most likely answer.

Mschlimp, check to see if the log is dated from a previous day or before.



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