[google-appengine] New App Engine Pricing... $1411/yr without processing a single request??
Right now I am paying $9/month for an always on app... the intent was to develop an app, test it with a small group of beta users, and then eventually scale up - whilst being able to project (and predict) costs in line with usage. The idea is to be able to experiment with PAAS at low cost, and then also pay for the service at the same (or better) ratio to increased resource usage. But this new pricing model blows it all up and entirely changes the way I see App Engine for experimental (and production) projects: In my case it seems the cost will balloon to $1.96 x 2 x 30 = $117.60/ month... and that's the price even if ZERO requests are processed by the app. This does not make sense at all. I really liked App Engine, but now the annual cost has ballooned to $1411 before processing a single request. Does Google only want big apps on their systems? I understand that App Engine needs to be profitable, but this seems like a move to kill the project. (below is, apparently, pricing at a 50% reduced rate through November) ResourceUsedFreeBillableCharge Frontend Instance Hours: $0.04/Hour 72.77 24.00 48.77 $1.96 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: New App Engine Pricing... $1411/yr without processing a single request??
That's how I *thought* it would work too, by when trying to change "Max Idle Instances" to 1 or 2, the setting does not stick - it is flipped back to "automatic" after clicking the save button. So "always on" would cost at least $1411yr. I probably have to switch to a more responsive platform. On Sep 6, 7:37 pm, Barry Hunter wrote: > One thing to realise about the before and after 'prediction', it just > shows what the cost would be at the current settings. > > With a few simple tweaks to the settings for the application, you can > probably reduce the price substantially. > > http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/managing-resources.html > > (eg, 'always on' means you have 3 instances always running. With the > settings you can bring it down so that there are only instances being > spun up to serve requests. Can make it so there is still an instance > ready to serve request - ie one instance 'always on' - which would be > your free instance. Then when you have spikes of traffic, you would > pay for extra instances. These might well fit in the $9 month minimum > spend anyway. ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: New App Engine Pricing... $1411/yr without processing a single request??
Hi Greg, I'm somewhat pleased to hear it's a bug :-) I've posted the info you requested, let me know if you need anything else. Thanks, Rori On Sep 6, 10:53 pm, "Gregory D'alesandre" wrote: > Hi Rori, > > We haven't be able to reproduce the problem, would you be willing to go to > this issue to fill in your browser information and the user you were using > to try to do > this:http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=5751 > > Thanks! > > Greg > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Rori Stumpf wrote: > > > That's how I *thought* it would work too, by when trying to change > > "Max Idle Instances" to 1 or 2, the setting does not stick - it is > > flipped back to "automatic" after clicking the save button. So "always > > on" would cost at least $1411yr. I probably have to switch to a more > > responsive platform. > > > On Sep 6, 7:37 pm, Barry Hunter wrote: > > > One thing to realise about the before and after 'prediction', it just > > > shows what the cost would be at the current settings. > > > > With a few simple tweaks to the settings for the application, you can > > > probably reduce the price substantially. > > > >http://code.google.com/appengine/articles/managing-resources.html > > > > (eg, 'always on' means you have 3 instances always running. With the > > > settings you can bring it down so that there are only instances being > > > spun up to serve requests. Can make it so there is still an instance > > > ready to serve request - ie one instance 'always on' - which would be > > > your free instance. Then when you have spikes of traffic, you would > > > pay for extra instances. These might well fit in the $9 month minimum > > > spend anyway. ) > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Google App Engine" group. > > To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: New App Engine Pricing... $1411/yr without processing a single request??
I'm *really* hoping you can figure something out. I really don't want to drop GAE for many reasons, but I won't have much choice if I'm forced to pay for 3 "always on" instances that are not needed. If my new app gets enough users then it will make complete sense from a cost standpoint, not to mention all the other advantages of the platform. But what about my costs while I am building the customer base... should I find some other solution that will smooth out the cost curve? (and most likely end up staying there). Of course, if the spin-up's were more predictable, then I could live with that and would not need "always on". But my current app needs to (preferably) respond within 2 secs. And 1 instance would be just fine for that. Also, as I mentioned before, I think many GAE users (including myself) would prefer affordable pricing for low volume apps, as that encourages experimentation and proof-of-concept testing on the platform. In turn, that should translate into much broader adoption of the GAE platform. Doesn't Google want to lock startups into GAE at the embryonic (i.e. no money, just an idea) stage? ;-) On Sep 6, 11:45 pm, "Gregory D'alesandre" wrote: > I think we've tracked the bug down. We are currently treating Always-On as > if it is 3 min idle instances. When you try to set Max Idle instances to > less than 3 (which wouldn't make much sense if you had known you had set min > idle instances to 3), the Admin Console doesn't let you and (unfortunately) > doesn't give a good error as to why. So, you can set it to 3, but as long > as Always-On is still on it won't let you set it to less than that. > > We'll see if we can figure out a way around this... > > Sorry about that! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Add User Problems
I'm trying to add a non-Google email address as an app administrator (to be used for sending email), but it's not working. Steps: 1. Admin -> Permissions -> Add new user with role "owner". 2. The new user name shows as "pending". 3. The confirmation email says the invitation is to be a "developer" of the app, even though the "owner" role was selected. 4. After the confirmation email is accepted, the new user name disappears from the list and it's not possible to login with this user name. Also, the system talks about "admin's" but no such role is mentioned in the Permissions page. Inconsistent. Thanks! Rori -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Add User Problems
Also, if a Google account is created for the new user it still does not work. On Sep 18, 9:30 am, Rori Stumpf wrote: > I'm trying to add a non-Google email address as an app administrator > (to be used for sending email), but it's not working. > > Steps: > > 1. Admin -> Permissions -> Add new user with role "owner". > 2. The new user name shows as "pending". > 3. The confirmation email says the invitation is to be a "developer" > of the app, even though the "owner" role was selected. > 4. After the confirmation email is accepted, the new user name > disappears from the list and it's not possible to login with this user > name. > > Also, the system talks about "admin's" but no such role is mentioned > in the Permissions page. Inconsistent. > > Thanks! > Rori -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Add User Problems
That worked. Thanks. On Sep 18, 10:19 am, voscausa wrote: > If you own the domain of your non-Google email address, you can make it a > Google apps domain. This works for me. I added f.i. an email address like > nore...@mydomain.nl as a viewer for sending mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Apps For Domains is a MAJOR failing of AppEngine
On Sep 19, 8:45 pm, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: > I'd like to give a huge +1 to this. The Google Apps system is a trainwreck. > I made the terrible mistake of moving some of my personal domains to Google > Apps and now: I completely agree. I love most things Google, but moving to Google Apps has been less than a smart idea. User authentication is a complete and utter nightmare. For the longest time I could not use Google Groups with my apps user name... I know, it does not make sense. I still don't understand what the heck is going on with YouTube. I've just given up trying to understand the logic behind disallowing access to Google Apps users or how it even works. Why can't we just login? And Apps users are blocked from new Google features such as Google+... not a good way to introduce new products to the people who were confident enough to buy into Google Apps. Just make it work :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Re: Add User Problems
I don't remember... sorry. On Sep 20, 7:26 pm, Jose Montes de Oca wrote: > Did you login in first to appengine.google.com with the new account before > adding it to the permission list ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
Re: [google-appengine] Suddenly e-mails sent by my app are not delivered
I've seen some delays in the last hour... maybe the emails will go through. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/HV7-XzeqOdQJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] XMPP getPresence() deprecated in 1.5.5... aaaaargh!
I see XMPP getPresence() has been deprecated in favor of unnecessarily
complicated (for the task of checking presence) XMPP postbacks... so
now I have to build a little subsystem to track and maintain user
state, when state could be detected with 1 simple call in earlier GAE
versions. I don't want to catch and inspect every XMPP state change
from all users - that is a waste of billable resources.
All I want is to check, when necessary, that the user is present or
not. What was wrong with the code below? How about keeping it
simple... as with previous versions?
if (xmpp.getPresence(jid).isAvailable()) {
// do stuff
}
Working around the limitations of GAE is becoming increasingly
frustrating. Call me cynical, but all this deprecation does is
increase billable usage and create unnecessary code.
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[google-appengine] Re: XMPP getPresence() deprecated in 1.5.5... aaaaargh!
Good news, Google is going to reinstate getPresence(). See http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=6336 On Nov 15, 4:57 am, Gerald Tan wrote: > To make things more challenging, sending a PROBE presence usually won't get > you an UNAVAILABLE reply if the user is offline :/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en.
[google-appengine] Production Performance Degradation GAE/J.... where to get support?
Where can I get support for sudden performance degradation? Report it on stackoverflow.com? file a bug? (just kidding) My app was running fine for 65 days - no problems at all... then over the last 2 weeks performance nosedived without implementing any changes. Even a simple keep alive cron servlet that calls Cloud SQL with a "select 1" to keep it alive takes a long time - i.e. seconds instead of milliseconds, and it seems instances are shutting down way too aggressively. Thanks, Rori -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] Does GAE have Support? (other than this forum)
Is there any way to contact someone at GAE/J for support on a performance degradation issue? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] Re: Production Performance Degradation GAE/J.... where to get support?
The app id is: vocotrax If there was an explanation of what to do to get attention for production issues (post the app id here, I guess?), I would have done it already. Wasn't there was a way to do this through the admin page at some point? Thanks. On Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:16:30 PM UTC-5, Stuart Langley wrote: > > hard for anybody to take a look for you without the app id > > On Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:40:59 UTC+11, Rori Stumpf wrote: >> >> Where can I get support for sudden performance degradation? Report it on >> stackoverflow.com? file a bug? (just kidding) >> >> My app was running fine for 65 days - no problems at all... then over the >> last 2 weeks performance nosedived without implementing any changes. Even a >> simple keep alive cron servlet that calls Cloud SQL with a "select 1" to >> keep it alive takes a long time - i.e. seconds instead of milliseconds, and >> it seems instances are shutting down way too aggressively. >> >> Thanks, >> Rori >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
