Re: [google-appengine] CloudFlare or Custom SSL + DynDNS + Custom security

2013-08-22 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
We've been using it for over a year now (maybe 2?). Other than the time
Google blocked all of CF (apparently they are now whitelisted), we've been
reasonably happy. The only downside is that once or twice they got slow
(fetches from origin were significantly faster).

We turned off all the munge your website and secure your website
features. If we have problems we can turn it on in an instant.

I like their DNS configuration. And yup, we fixed the ssl naked domain with
a pagerule. At $20/mo, it's cheaper than Google's SSL offering and it's way
easier to set up.

Jeff


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Kaan Soral kaanso...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, I was thinking of heightened limit in certain situations / feedback
 based improvement etc. -- decided to revise things now

 I went with CloudFlare - at least until it doesn't work out - the risk is
 probably ~ 2 hour downtime at max. during switch from CloudFlare services
 to custom dns/ssl, not much of a risk

 Experience:

- Really fast and fun integration - 30 minutes max.
- Easy work-around using Page Rules for AppEngine's naked domain
issue, you can redirect naked.com/* to https://www.naked/com/$1
- Really simple SSL - just works
- Simple DNS
- Gives a confident vibe - might be even a con - if it doesn't work
out - it would be hard to match CloudFlare's simple functions


 On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 12:41:53 AM UTC+3, Joshua Smith wrote:


 On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Kaan Soral kaan...@gmail.com wrote:

 in real life, I'm not sure whether there are scenarios, where a
 high-number of people share the same IP address and use a service/app


 There are many such scenarios.

 Any place lots of people get free wifi (stadiums, airports, etc.) this
 will happen.

 Also, most large corporate internet access is proxied through a very
 small number of concentrators.

 -Joshua

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[google-appengine] CloudFlare or Custom SSL + DynDNS + Custom security

2013-08-20 Thread Kaan Soral
I was going to finally configure the SSL for my domain/app, however I was 
really demotivated because the process is, in my opinion, really 
complicated, however this shouldn't affect the final decision
I also decided to switch to DynDNS from standard godaddy dns

Both processes are complicated in my opinion, yet for the end result, they 
might be better then CloudFlare

The reason I'm avoiding CloudFlare is false positives, I used to be 
identified as an attacker occasionally (while I wasn't), didn't happen in 
almost a year, but there was a time it happened a lot, If I'm seeing it, 
probably everyone experienced it once or twice, it would be devastating if 
an actual user experienced it
The second reason is old AppEngine incompatibility, however I haven't seen 
any complaints here in months, so that seems to be fixed too

I always build for really high traffic, whether that will be the case or 
not, I'm always all in in terms of premature optimization
I've also built a custom IP based security system, blocks access to 
functionality if recent actions/visits are over a limit, I'm a bit 
concerned whether this system will cause problems in real life, I'm not 
sure whether there are scenarios, where a high-number of people share the 
same IP address and use a service/app

I'm also not sure whether CloudFlare can block the hobbyist robot runners, 
I personally used to do it myself, built greasemonkey/chrome scripts to 
continually execute routines on a service, my IP solution would prevent it, 
would CloudFlare prevent it?
Maybe they can be used together, I don't remember exactly, but I guess CF 
was sending over the user-IP in headers too

Anyway, I would love to hear any experiences in this area

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Re: [google-appengine] CloudFlare or Custom SSL + DynDNS + Custom security

2013-08-20 Thread Joshua Smith

On Aug 20, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Kaan Soral kaanso...@gmail.com wrote:

 in real life, I'm not sure whether there are scenarios, where a high-number 
 of people share the same IP address and use a service/app

There are many such scenarios.

Any place lots of people get free wifi (stadiums, airports, etc.) this will 
happen.

Also, most large corporate internet access is proxied through a very small 
number of concentrators.

-Joshua

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