Re: [google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[Anastasios Hatzis]

Susan, I can't remember the prices for instance hours a few years ago. But 
since we use GAE, the pricing has changed a few times. I remember that once 
a free app became billable, there was a minimum monthly fee billed (not 
anymore). Separate billing of many other resources were dropped since we 
started, e.g. monthly fee for SSL SNIs, billing of Search API calls, etc., 
generalized into the instance hours. And generally costs for Storage and 
Datastore were simplified and reduced over time along with them becoming 
products you can use separately.

It also became easier to optimize certain costs, for example you can use 
different instance classes for modules in the same app.

After all, I understand standard GAE environment as a well integrated 
(almost) all-in-one platform, so in our use-cases we save lots of time and 
costs for administration of resources / services we would need otherwise. I 
would imagine that for other usage patterns alternatives could be cheaper 
or better, e.g. the flexible GAE environments, VMs, or even other cloud 
providers.

Ani

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 6:44:42 AM UTC+2, Susan Lin wrote:
>
> Hard to just see why then the regular GAE instances are still so expensive.
>
> On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-7, George-Cristian Bîrzan 
> wrote:
>>
>> I doubt however that they will go up 8 fold, which seems to be the gap 
>> currently 
>> On 10 Apr 2016 10:07 pm, "Susan Lin"  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jeff, yes you are correct they currently use these resources, but 
>>> according to Google from https://cloud.google.com/appengine/pricing 
>>> these prices will increase (which I assume is to the standard GAE prices) 
>>> once flex environment becomes GA.
>>>
>>> "Instances within the flexible environment are charged the cost of the 
>>> underlying Google Compute Engine Virtual Machines 
>>> . This is Beta-only pricing 
>>> and will increase once the flexible environment is GA."
>>>
>>> So these lower prices seem to be only temporary.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 2:25:28 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

 “nearly exact” I meant to say. EB and Flexible runtimes are both mapped 
 to a whole hypervisor VM.

 Jeff

 On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  
 wrote:

> If you want a nearly close comparison to ElasticBeanstalk, use a 
> Managed VM (or “Flexible Runtime” I think they’re being called now). They 
> are currently billed at the same rate as the underlying Compute Engine 
> instance.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Susan Lin  wrote:
>
>> I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to 
>> see if it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I 
>> see 
>> the pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:
>>
>> This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the 
>> various instance classes.
>> Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
>> F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
>> F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
>> F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
>> When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance 
>> costs $0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App 
>> Engine front end instances. I understand they offer different services, 
>> but 
>> as far as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's 
>> Law) a 
>> 1gb GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to 
>> lower 
>> the costs of these instances in the very near future?
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Re: [google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[Susan Lin]

Hard to just see why then the regular GAE instances are still so expensive.

On Sunday, April 10, 2016 at 1:01:56 PM UTC-7, George-Cristian Bîrzan wrote:
>
> I doubt however that they will go up 8 fold, which seems to be the gap 
> currently 
> On 10 Apr 2016 10:07 pm, "Susan Lin" > 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeff, yes you are correct they currently use these resources, but 
>> according to Google from https://cloud.google.com/appengine/pricing 
>> these prices will increase (which I assume is to the standard GAE prices) 
>> once flex environment becomes GA.
>>
>> "Instances within the flexible environment are charged the cost of the 
>> underlying Google Compute Engine Virtual Machines 
>> . This is Beta-only pricing 
>> and will increase once the flexible environment is GA."
>>
>> So these lower prices seem to be only temporary.
>>
>> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 2:25:28 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>>>
>>> “nearly exact” I meant to say. EB and Flexible runtimes are both mapped 
>>> to a whole hypervisor VM.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 If you want a nearly close comparison to ElasticBeanstalk, use a 
 Managed VM (or “Flexible Runtime” I think they’re being called now). They 
 are currently billed at the same rate as the underlying Compute Engine 
 instance.

 Jeff

 On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Susan Lin  wrote:

> I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to 
> see if it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I 
> see 
> the pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:
>
> This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the 
> various instance classes.
> Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance
>
>
>
>
> F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
> F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
> F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
> F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
> When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance 
> costs $0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App 
> Engine front end instances. I understand they offer different services, 
> but 
> as far as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's Law) 
> a 
> 1gb GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to 
> lower 
> the costs of these instances in the very near future?
>
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Re: [google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[George-Cristian Bîrzan]

I doubt however that they will go up 8 fold, which seems to be the gap
currently
On 10 Apr 2016 10:07 pm, "Susan Lin"  wrote:

> Hi Jeff, yes you are correct they currently use these resources, but
> according to Google from https://cloud.google.com/appengine/pricing these
> prices will increase (which I assume is to the standard GAE prices) once
> flex environment becomes GA.
>
> "Instances within the flexible environment are charged the cost of the
> underlying Google Compute Engine Virtual Machines
> . This is Beta-only pricing and
> will increase once the flexible environment is GA."
>
> So these lower prices seem to be only temporary.
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 2:25:28 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>>
>> “nearly exact” I meant to say. EB and Flexible runtimes are both mapped
>> to a whole hypervisor VM.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Schnitzer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want a nearly close comparison to ElasticBeanstalk, use a Managed
>>> VM (or “Flexible Runtime” I think they’re being called now). They are
>>> currently billed at the same rate as the underlying Compute Engine instance.
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Susan Lin  wrote:
>>>
 I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to
 see if it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I see
 the pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:

 This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the
 various instance classes.
 Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance




 F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
 F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
 F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
 F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
 When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance
 costs $0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App
 Engine front end instances. I understand they offer different services, but
 as far as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's Law) a
 1gb GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to lower
 the costs of these instances in the very near future?

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Re: [google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[Susan Lin]

Hi Jeff, yes you are correct they currently use these resources, but 
according to Google from https://cloud.google.com/appengine/pricing these 
prices will increase (which I assume is to the standard GAE prices) once 
flex environment becomes GA.

"Instances within the flexible environment are charged the cost of the 
underlying Google Compute Engine Virtual Machines 
. This is Beta-only pricing and 
will increase once the flexible environment is GA."

So these lower prices seem to be only temporary.

On Saturday, April 9, 2016 at 2:25:28 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
>
> “nearly exact” I meant to say. EB and Flexible runtimes are both mapped to 
> a whole hypervisor VM.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  > wrote:
>
>> If you want a nearly close comparison to ElasticBeanstalk, use a Managed 
>> VM (or “Flexible Runtime” I think they’re being called now). They are 
>> currently billed at the same rate as the underlying Compute Engine instance.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Susan Lin > > wrote:
>>
>>> I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to see 
>>> if it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I see the 
>>> pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:
>>>
>>> This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the 
>>> various instance classes.
>>> Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
>>> F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
>>> F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
>>> F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
>>> When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance 
>>> costs $0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App 
>>> Engine front end instances. I understand they offer different services, but 
>>> as far as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's Law) a 
>>> 1gb GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to lower 
>>> the costs of these instances in the very near future?
>>>
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Re: [google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[Jeff Schnitzer]

“nearly exact” I meant to say. EB and Flexible runtimes are both mapped to
a whole hypervisor VM.

Jeff

On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Jeff Schnitzer  wrote:

> If you want a nearly close comparison to ElasticBeanstalk, use a Managed
> VM (or “Flexible Runtime” I think they’re being called now). They are
> currently billed at the same rate as the underlying Compute Engine instance.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Susan Lin  wrote:
>
>> I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to see
>> if it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I see the
>> pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:
>>
>> This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the
>> various instance classes.
>> Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
>> F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
>> F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
>> F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
>> When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance
>> costs $0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App
>> Engine front end instances. I understand they offer different services, but
>> as far as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's Law) a
>> 1gb GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to lower
>> the costs of these instances in the very near future?
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Re: [google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[Jeff Schnitzer]

If you want a nearly close comparison to ElasticBeanstalk, use a Managed VM
(or “Flexible Runtime” I think they’re being called now). They are
currently billed at the same rate as the underlying Compute Engine instance.

Jeff

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Susan Lin  wrote:

> I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to see
> if it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I see the
> pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:
>
> This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the
> various instance classes.
> Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance
>
>
>
>
> F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
> F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
> F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
> F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
> When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance costs
> $0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App Engine
> front end instances. I understand they offer different services, but as far
> as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's Law) a 1gb
> GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to lower the
> costs of these instances in the very near future?
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[google-appengine] GAE instance prices?

[Susan Lin]

I tested out Google App Engine 4 years ago and am coming back now to see if 
it is a possibility for another project I will be working on. I see the 
pricing for instances are still the same as they were 4 years ago:

This table summarizes the CPU, memory, and hourly billing rate of the 
various instance classes.
Instance ClassMemory LimitCPU LimitCost per Hour per Instance




F1 128 MB 600 Mhz $0.05
F2 256 MB 1.2 Ghz $0.10
F4 512 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.20
F4_1G 1024 MB 2.4 Ghz $0.30
When compared to Amazon's PaaS ElasticBeanstalk a 1 cpu 1GB instance costs 
$0.013 an hour which is almost 30 times cheaper than Google App Engine 
front end instances. I understand they offer different services, but as far 
as front end instances it is hard to see why in 2016 (Moore's Law) a 1gb 
GAE instance is still so expensive. Does Google have any plans to lower the 
costs of these instances in the very near future?

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