[google-appengine] Re: A Pure Google App Engine Dev Experience

[timh]

I would use what your comfortable, but if you don't have any pre-existing 
preferences then django is probably the least best fit in my opinion.
Django needed the non-rel version to really make sense in appengine which 
suggests to me sufficiently non suitable foundation,

My personal preference is pyramid, but hardly anyone does that so you 
probably shouldn't listen to me ;-)

 if you want something basic use webapp2 as that is where you will get the 
most community support around appengine.

T

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:07:28 AM UTC+8, Todd Thomas wrote:
>
> Hey guys, I attended a local Python User Group meeting last week; the 
> presentation on GAE was great; during which we walked through an example of 
> pushing a local/dev Django app to GAE - brilliant.
>
> Now that I'm inspired I'd like to dive in. I use Python to manage the 
> Linux OS but I'm a total newb with web dev so I have questions.
>
> Assumptions:
>
>1. All aspects will be kept open; ie: HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, Python
>2. The project will be started from scratch.
>3. A an interest in *an "As Pure As Possible" App Engine experience*. 
>These pieces have been identified to get started:
>
>
>- App Engine  (SDK)
>- Google Web Starter Kit 
>
>- Jinja 2  (templating)
>- JavaScript: AngularJS  with the possible 
>inclusion of a Classy  backer.
>- OAuth2  Integration (eventually)
>- Vim
>
> Q: What is the best (supported, documented, *scalable*, most widely-used, 
> etc.) framework to use with GAE?
>
> Q: Why?
>
> Q: Are there some other pieces of this puzzle I might be missing?
>
> webapp2  is 
> highlighted on the GAE > Python > Tools age but Django gets special 
> mention  as 
> well; still others are supported 
> ; it's very 
> confusing.
>
> I'm jazzed but research has become exhausting. I need to hear from the 
> battle tested souls out there; essentially, those who have already "stepped 
> in it". *Just a newb trying to get started on the right foot.*
>
> Thanks in advance guys,
> TT
>

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[google-appengine] Re: A Pure Google App Engine Dev Experience

[Jon Wayne Parrott]

The answer is really whatever you're most comfortable with. The usage of 
the App Engine services is more or less that same regardless of framework 
(with some notable differences for django). Since you mentioned you're new 
to webdev with python - Django can be very intimidating. Webapp2 is a 
microframework and is app engine native so it'll be really easy to get 
started with that. Flask  is also a great and 
popular choice.

At Cloud Sherpas, we built Ferris 2  on top of 
webapp2 and the app engine services specifically for developing apps on 
Google App Engine. Our motivation was to reduce the amount of time we spent 
writing the same code over and over. Both ourselves and open-source users 
have used it in tons of apps big and small over the last 3 years. It's a 
traditional MVC framework (similar to Rails or Django) so it can be quickly 
picked up by anyone familiar with those concepts.

If learning an entirely big new framework isn't something that sounds fun 
to you, I agree, which is why for Ferris 3 we've added the ability to use 
the tools with any framework - such as Webapp2, Flask, or Django. These 
tools include helpers for datastore, caching, google apis, etc. Ferris 3 is 
currently in alpha and you can read more about that here 
 and checkout the code 
here  (also here's the flask example 
).

On Monday, October 13, 2014 2:07:28 PM UTC-4, Todd Thomas wrote:
>
> Hey guys, I attended a local Python User Group meeting last week; the 
> presentation on GAE was great; during which we walked through an example of 
> pushing a local/dev Django app to GAE - brilliant.
>
> Now that I'm inspired I'd like to dive in. I use Python to manage the 
> Linux OS but I'm a total newb with web dev so I have questions.
>
> Assumptions:
>
>1. All aspects will be kept open; ie: HTML5, CSS, JavaScript, Python
>2. The project will be started from scratch.
>3. A an interest in *an "As Pure As Possible" App Engine experience*. 
>These pieces have been identified to get started:
>
>
>- App Engine  (SDK)
>- Google Web Starter Kit 
>
>- Jinja 2  (templating)
>- JavaScript: AngularJS  with the possible 
>inclusion of a Classy  backer.
>- OAuth2  Integration (eventually)
>- Vim
>
> Q: What is the best (supported, documented, *scalable*, most widely-used, 
> etc.) framework to use with GAE?
>
> Q: Why?
>
> Q: Are there some other pieces of this puzzle I might be missing?
>
> webapp2  is 
> highlighted on the GAE > Python > Tools age but Django gets special 
> mention  as 
> well; still others are supported 
> ; it's very 
> confusing.
>
> I'm jazzed but research has become exhausting. I need to hear from the 
> battle tested souls out there; essentially, those who have already "stepped 
> in it". *Just a newb trying to get started on the right foot.*
>
> Thanks in advance guys,
> TT
>

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