Re: [google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
Mail has never worked very well in GAE. - Sending messages will sometimes fail for no reason, so you have to put the code to send any important messages into a task so it can retry (Note that since URLFetch also fails for no reason, with alarming regularity, I suspect sending email via SendGrid will need the same protections) - The headers GAE put into the message are awful, and scary, and convince users that they are looking at spam. For example, gmail shows this one: Return-Path: 3inemuqgjb-sxnba-ybttznvy.pbzfhccbegxnba@m3kw2wvrgufz5godrsrytgd7.apphosting.bounces.google.com - Despite DKIM, SPF and friends, a lot of GAE-sourced email gets blocked by corporate spam filters - Quotas are really tight when first getting started, and never get all that loose - The from address of any email you send MUST be either an admin or a user logged in via google oauth - Google's #1 priority with outbound email is that GAE not become a spam platform, and this colors every technical decision they make around email And yes, if you rely on GAE for bulk email, you are definitely getting yourself into trouble. On Aug 8, 2013, at 9:16 AM, Jay jbaker.w...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua, what issues are you referring to? If I rely on GAE for bulk email, am I getting myself in trouble? On Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:22:13 PM UTC-5, Joshua Smith wrote: Dunno how I missed this, but given the train wreck of GAE's email delivery, this is very promising: https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/sendgrid -Joshua -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Joshua Smith joshuaesm...@charter.netwrote: Mail has never worked very well in GAE. - Sending messages will sometimes fail for no reason, so you have to put the code to send any important messages into a task so it can retry (Note that since URLFetch also fails for no reason, with alarming regularity, I suspect sending email via SendGrid will need the same protections) - The headers GAE put into the message are awful, and scary, and convince users that they are looking at spam. For example, gmail shows this one: Return-Path: 3INEmUQgJB-sXNba-YbTTZNVY.PbZfhccbegXNba.PbZ@ m3kw2wvrgufz5godrsrytgd7.apphosting.bounces.google.com +1 to the above. Sending mail to external, non-admin accounts has always been difficult at best with GAE's mail system. Microsoft-owned email services (Outlook.com for example) in particular have high reject rates for GAE email. - -Vinny P Technology Media Advisor Chicago, IL App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
Hmm to get feature parity (plus some extra features to be fair), you need to subscribe to the $80/month package. In particular DKIM customization, to setup DKIM records for your domain. This is available at no extra charge when you setup App Engine with a custom domain through Google Apps. http://sendgrid.com/pricing -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:29 PM, pdknsk pdk...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm to get feature parity (plus some extra features to be fair), you need to subscribe to the $80/month package. In particular DKIM customization, to setup DKIM records for your domain. This is available at no extra charge when you setup App Engine with a custom domain through Google Apps. http://sendgrid.com/pricing +1. I hope GAE's mail service isn't going anywhere - SendGrid is expensive when it comes to certain services. - -Vinny P Technology Media Advisor Chicago, IL App Engine Code Samples: http://www.learntogoogleit.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
Hmm is this a sign that Google will soon remove the email functionality (at least for new applications)? I've been wondering how email will work when Google removes the Google Apps requirement for domains. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
Dunno how I missed this, but given the train wreck of GAE's email delivery, this is very promising: https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/sendgrid -Joshua -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [google-appengine] SendGrid Integration
Hi Joshua, It was just announced this morning. More details here: http://googlecloudplatform.blogspot.com/2013/07/sendgrid-gives-app-engine-developers.html Thanks, Dan On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Joshua Smith joshuaesm...@charter.netwrote: Dunno how I missed this, but given the train wreck of GAE's email delivery, this is very promising: https://developers.google.com/appengine/articles/sendgrid -Joshua -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Dan Holevoet Google Developer Relations -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google App Engine group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-appengine+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
