Re: [appengine-java] Re: publishing html files

2012-02-28 Thread Matthew Jaggard
Have a look at the blobstore documentation, that might help you. However
I'd be inclined to mention a naughty word Amazon (ssh!) S3 might be the
best way forward.

On 28 February 2012 06:32, Vik vik@gmail.com wrote:

 Any advise on this please?

 Thankx and Regards

 Vik
 Founder
 http://www.sakshum.org
 http://blog.sakshum.org


 On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Vik vik@gmail.com wrote:

 Hie

 I am generated html documents using a google text doc as template
 (reading it using gdata apis and then doing some text manipulation).
 Now, I want to publish these documents somewhere so that I can refer to
 others giving the url of the document (which means it would be publicly
 accessible).

 Any suggestions on how do i go about it? Like where should i host these?


 Thankx and Regards

 Vik
 Founder
 http://www.sakshum.org
 http://blog.sakshum.org


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[appengine-java] Javaland scheduler behavior

2012-02-28 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
There's been a lot of discussion of the scheduler behavior in Pythonland,
but not much about it's eccentricities in Javaland.

I have a threadsafe=true Java app.  Let's say every request completes in
exactly 1s.  Settings are:  idle instances min 1 max 1, latency auto/auto.
   Here is what I expect:

 * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
 * Instance1 serves concurrent requests up to some arbitrary CPU capcity
 * When Instance1 exceeds capacity:
 * Instance2 starts warming up
 * All requests remain in the pending queue for Instance1, getting
processed at 1/s * concurrency
 * Instance2 is ready and starts processing new requests, sharing the
load with Instance1

What I actually see (as far as I can determine):

 * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
 * Instance1 supports almost no concurrency.  At most it's 2.  (no, my app
is not particularly compute intensive)
 * A new request comes in which for some reason can't be handled by
Instance1:
 * Instance2 starts warming up
 * The new request is blocked on Instance2's pending queue, waiting
10-20s for Instance2 to be ready
 * In the mean time, Instance1 is actually idle
 * Another new request comes in and starts up Instance3
 * Possibly this is while Instance2 is warming up
 * AFAICT, Instance1 is taking a coffee break

The net result is that I have an idle website with 1 user (me) clicking
around and I've already gotten multiple 20s pauses and three instances.
 Something is seriously wrong here.  Whether or not it's rational to have
so many instances started, pending requests shouldn't be shunted to
non-warmed-up servers, right?

I've tried upping the min latency to a high value to see if this improves
the situation.  If this works... shouldn't min latency *always* be as high
as the startup time for an instance?

I know it's been said before, but it needs to be said again... the guidance
for scheduler configuration is really, really inadequate.

Jeff

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Re: [appengine-java] Javaland scheduler behavior

2012-02-28 Thread Mos
Five days ago I run JMeter-Tests to check the performance of my application
with and without threadsafe=true.
I'm in no billing mode and therefore just worked with one instance.

With  concurrent requests I expected a better throughput/ performance with
the threadsafe=true configuration.
This was not the case.  The result was the same with and without the
threadsafe configuration.

I tested between 10 and 100 concurrent requests, but no difference at all.

I seems like the threadsafe=true configuration is broken currently.

Cheers
Mos


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote:

 There's been a lot of discussion of the scheduler behavior in Pythonland,
 but not much about it's eccentricities in Javaland.

 I have a threadsafe=true Java app.  Let's say every request completes in
 exactly 1s.  Settings are:  idle instances min 1 max 1, latency auto/auto.
Here is what I expect:

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 serves concurrent requests up to some arbitrary CPU capcity
  * When Instance1 exceeds capacity:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * All requests remain in the pending queue for Instance1, getting
 processed at 1/s * concurrency
  * Instance2 is ready and starts processing new requests, sharing the
 load with Instance1

 What I actually see (as far as I can determine):

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 supports almost no concurrency.  At most it's 2.  (no, my app
 is not particularly compute intensive)
  * A new request comes in which for some reason can't be handled by
 Instance1:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * The new request is blocked on Instance2's pending queue, waiting
 10-20s for Instance2 to be ready
  * In the mean time, Instance1 is actually idle
  * Another new request comes in and starts up Instance3
  * Possibly this is while Instance2 is warming up
  * AFAICT, Instance1 is taking a coffee break

 The net result is that I have an idle website with 1 user (me) clicking
 around and I've already gotten multiple 20s pauses and three instances.
  Something is seriously wrong here.  Whether or not it's rational to have
 so many instances started, pending requests shouldn't be shunted to
 non-warmed-up servers, right?

 I've tried upping the min latency to a high value to see if this improves
 the situation.  If this works... shouldn't min latency *always* be as high
 as the startup time for an instance?

 I know it's been said before, but it needs to be said again... the
 guidance for scheduler configuration is really, really inadequate.

 Jeff

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[appengine-java] Re: Javaland scheduler behavior

2012-02-28 Thread Francois Masurel
Hi Jeff,

Check this post :  
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/google-appengine/3t5muVhXajg/SSFU-udjIhwJ
 

Setting Idle instances to automatic, as Johan Euphrosine suggested, seems 
to have solved the problem, at least temporarily (I was at 1 minimum and 1 
maximum before).

I'm just a bit scared now to get over my daily quotas.

François

On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:34:36 PM UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

 There's been a lot of discussion of the scheduler behavior in Pythonland, 
 but not much about it's eccentricities in Javaland.

 I have a threadsafe=true Java app.  Let's say every request completes in 
 exactly 1s.  Settings are:  idle instances min 1 max 1, latency auto/auto. 
Here is what I expect:

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 serves concurrent requests up to some arbitrary CPU capcity
  * When Instance1 exceeds capacity:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * All requests remain in the pending queue for Instance1, getting 
 processed at 1/s * concurrency
  * Instance2 is ready and starts processing new requests, sharing the 
 load with Instance1

 What I actually see (as far as I can determine):

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 supports almost no concurrency.  At most it's 2.  (no, my app 
 is not particularly compute intensive)
  * A new request comes in which for some reason can't be handled by 
 Instance1:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * The new request is blocked on Instance2's pending queue, waiting 
 10-20s for Instance2 to be ready
  * In the mean time, Instance1 is actually idle
  * Another new request comes in and starts up Instance3
  * Possibly this is while Instance2 is warming up
  * AFAICT, Instance1 is taking a coffee break

 The net result is that I have an idle website with 1 user (me) clicking 
 around and I've already gotten multiple 20s pauses and three instances. 
  Something is seriously wrong here.  Whether or not it's rational to have 
 so many instances started, pending requests shouldn't be shunted to 
 non-warmed-up servers, right?

 I've tried upping the min latency to a high value to see if this improves 
 the situation.  If this works... shouldn't min latency *always* be as high 
 as the startup time for an instance?

 I know it's been said before, but it needs to be said again... the 
 guidance for scheduler configuration is really, really inadequate.

 Jeff


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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Javaland scheduler behavior

2012-02-28 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Thanks for the link.  This doesn't directly address the main point I'm
worried about though:

 * Why does any user-facing request ever sit in the pending queue for an
instance that is warming-up when there is a perfectly good instance sitting
there?

My problem is not that GAE is spinning up new instances.  My problem is
that users are waiting for it.  There's an instance sitting there with a
low wait time in the pending queue - why is GAE shunting new requests to
instances with an effective 10-20s wait time instead?

Jeff

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Francois Masurel f.masu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 Check this post :
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/google-appengine/3t5muVhXajg/SSFU-udjIhwJ


 Setting Idle instances to automatic, as Johan Euphrosine suggested,
 seems to have solved the problem, at least temporarily (I was at 1 minimum
 and 1 maximum before).

 I'm just a bit scared now to get over my daily quotas.

 François


 On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:34:36 PM UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

 There's been a lot of discussion of the scheduler behavior in Pythonland,
 but not much about it's eccentricities in Javaland.

 I have a threadsafe=true Java app.  Let's say every request completes in
 exactly 1s.  Settings are:  idle instances min 1 max 1, latency auto/auto.
Here is what I expect:

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 serves concurrent requests up to some arbitrary CPU capcity
  * When Instance1 exceeds capacity:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * All requests remain in the pending queue for Instance1, getting
 processed at 1/s * concurrency
  * Instance2 is ready and starts processing new requests, sharing the
 load with Instance1

 What I actually see (as far as I can determine):

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 supports almost no concurrency.  At most it's 2.  (no, my
 app is not particularly compute intensive)
  * A new request comes in which for some reason can't be handled by
 Instance1:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * The new request is blocked on Instance2's pending queue, waiting
 10-20s for Instance2 to be ready
  * In the mean time, Instance1 is actually idle
  * Another new request comes in and starts up Instance3
  * Possibly this is while Instance2 is warming up
  * AFAICT, Instance1 is taking a coffee break

 The net result is that I have an idle website with 1 user (me) clicking
 around and I've already gotten multiple 20s pauses and three instances.
  Something is seriously wrong here.  Whether or not it's rational to have
 so many instances started, pending requests shouldn't be shunted to
 non-warmed-up servers, right?

 I've tried upping the min latency to a high value to see if this improves
 the situation.  If this works... shouldn't min latency *always* be as high
 as the startup time for an instance?

 I know it's been said before, but it needs to be said again... the
 guidance for scheduler configuration is really, really inadequate.

 Jeff

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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Javaland scheduler behavior

2012-02-28 Thread Francois MASUREL
Yep noticed that too since a few days.

But no good explanations for the moment.

François


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 18:25, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.org wrote:

 Thanks for the link.  This doesn't directly address the main point I'm
 worried about though:

  * Why does any user-facing request ever sit in the pending queue for an
 instance that is warming-up when there is a perfectly good instance sitting
 there?

 My problem is not that GAE is spinning up new instances.  My problem is
 that users are waiting for it.  There's an instance sitting there with a
 low wait time in the pending queue - why is GAE shunting new requests to
 instances with an effective 10-20s wait time instead?

 Jeff

 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Francois Masurel f.masu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 Check this post :
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/google-appengine/3t5muVhXajg/SSFU-udjIhwJ


 Setting Idle instances to automatic, as Johan Euphrosine suggested,
 seems to have solved the problem, at least temporarily (I was at 1 minimum
 and 1 maximum before).

 I'm just a bit scared now to get over my daily quotas.

 François


 On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:34:36 PM UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

 There's been a lot of discussion of the scheduler behavior in
 Pythonland, but not much about it's eccentricities in Javaland.

 I have a threadsafe=true Java app.  Let's say every request completes in
 exactly 1s.  Settings are:  idle instances min 1 max 1, latency auto/auto.
Here is what I expect:

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 serves concurrent requests up to some arbitrary CPU capcity
  * When Instance1 exceeds capacity:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * All requests remain in the pending queue for Instance1, getting
 processed at 1/s * concurrency
  * Instance2 is ready and starts processing new requests, sharing
 the load with Instance1

 What I actually see (as far as I can determine):

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 supports almost no concurrency.  At most it's 2.  (no, my
 app is not particularly compute intensive)
  * A new request comes in which for some reason can't be handled by
 Instance1:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * The new request is blocked on Instance2's pending queue, waiting
 10-20s for Instance2 to be ready
  * In the mean time, Instance1 is actually idle
  * Another new request comes in and starts up Instance3
  * Possibly this is while Instance2 is warming up
  * AFAICT, Instance1 is taking a coffee break

 The net result is that I have an idle website with 1 user (me) clicking
 around and I've already gotten multiple 20s pauses and three instances.
  Something is seriously wrong here.  Whether or not it's rational to have
 so many instances started, pending requests shouldn't be shunted to
 non-warmed-up servers, right?

 I've tried upping the min latency to a high value to see if this
 improves the situation.  If this works... shouldn't min latency *always* be
 as high as the startup time for an instance?

 I know it's been said before, but it needs to be said again... the
 guidance for scheduler configuration is really, really inadequate.

 Jeff

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Re: [appengine-java] Re: Javaland scheduler behavior

2012-02-28 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
I just realized I sent this to the wrong (java-specific, deprecated) Google
Group.  For those of you on both the google-appengine list and this one, I
apologize in advance for the duplicate thread I'm about to start :-(

Jeff

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Jeff Schnitzer j...@infohazard.orgwrote:

 Thanks for the link.  This doesn't directly address the main point I'm
 worried about though:

  * Why does any user-facing request ever sit in the pending queue for an
 instance that is warming-up when there is a perfectly good instance sitting
 there?

 My problem is not that GAE is spinning up new instances.  My problem is
 that users are waiting for it.  There's an instance sitting there with a
 low wait time in the pending queue - why is GAE shunting new requests to
 instances with an effective 10-20s wait time instead?

 Jeff

 On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Francois Masurel f.masu...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 Check this post :
 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/google-appengine/3t5muVhXajg/SSFU-udjIhwJ


 Setting Idle instances to automatic, as Johan Euphrosine suggested,
 seems to have solved the problem, at least temporarily (I was at 1 minimum
 and 1 maximum before).

 I'm just a bit scared now to get over my daily quotas.

 François


 On Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:34:36 PM UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:

 There's been a lot of discussion of the scheduler behavior in
 Pythonland, but not much about it's eccentricities in Javaland.

 I have a threadsafe=true Java app.  Let's say every request completes in
 exactly 1s.  Settings are:  idle instances min 1 max 1, latency auto/auto.
Here is what I expect:

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 serves concurrent requests up to some arbitrary CPU capcity
  * When Instance1 exceeds capacity:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * All requests remain in the pending queue for Instance1, getting
 processed at 1/s * concurrency
  * Instance2 is ready and starts processing new requests, sharing
 the load with Instance1

 What I actually see (as far as I can determine):

  * Instance1 starts up and becomes permanently resident
  * Instance1 supports almost no concurrency.  At most it's 2.  (no, my
 app is not particularly compute intensive)
  * A new request comes in which for some reason can't be handled by
 Instance1:
  * Instance2 starts warming up
  * The new request is blocked on Instance2's pending queue, waiting
 10-20s for Instance2 to be ready
  * In the mean time, Instance1 is actually idle
  * Another new request comes in and starts up Instance3
  * Possibly this is while Instance2 is warming up
  * AFAICT, Instance1 is taking a coffee break

 The net result is that I have an idle website with 1 user (me) clicking
 around and I've already gotten multiple 20s pauses and three instances.
  Something is seriously wrong here.  Whether or not it's rational to have
 so many instances started, pending requests shouldn't be shunted to
 non-warmed-up servers, right?

 I've tried upping the min latency to a high value to see if this
 improves the situation.  If this works... shouldn't min latency *always* be
 as high as the startup time for an instance?

 I know it's been said before, but it needs to be said again... the
 guidance for scheduler configuration is really, really inadequate.

 Jeff

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[appengine-java] Task Queues: Transient Error

2012-02-28 Thread Sinan Yüce
Hi,

When I try to use task queues, I got this error:

1.357137646255836705].stdout: Transient error, please try again.

For two days, it's been like this, and I couldn't find any answer. Can 
someone help me with this? Any help will be appreciated.


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[appengine-java] Deploy Hangs - Please help

2012-02-28 Thread treguess
I am getting stuck when deploy. I get the following message


52% Initializing precompilation...
90% Deploying new version.
95% Will check again in 1 seconds.
98% Will check again in 2 seconds.
99% Will check again in 4 seconds.
99% Will check again in 8 seconds.
99% Will check again in 16 seconds.
99% Will check again in 32 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
99% Will check again in 60 seconds.
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Re: [appengine-java] Re: publishing html files

2012-02-28 Thread Vik
any thoughts on google cloud storage?

Thankx and Regards

Vik
Founder
http://www.sakshum.org
http://blog.sakshum.org


On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Matthew Jaggard matt...@jaggard.org.ukwrote:

 Have a look at the blobstore documentation, that might help you. However
 I'd be inclined to mention a naughty word Amazon (ssh!) S3 might be the
 best way forward.

 On 28 February 2012 06:32, Vik vik@gmail.com wrote:

 Any advise on this please?

 Thankx and Regards

 Vik
 Founder
 http://www.sakshum.org
 http://blog.sakshum.org


 On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Vik vik@gmail.com wrote:

 Hie

 I am generated html documents using a google text doc as template
 (reading it using gdata apis and then doing some text manipulation).
 Now, I want to publish these documents somewhere so that I can refer to
 others giving the url of the document (which means it would be publicly
 accessible).

 Any suggestions on how do i go about it? Like where should i host these?


 Thankx and Regards

 Vik
 Founder
 http://www.sakshum.org
 http://blog.sakshum.org


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Re: [appengine-java] Deploy Hangs - Please help

2012-02-28 Thread Prashant
looks like server side issue. retry after some time ...

On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:37 AM, treguess tregu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am getting stuck when deploy. I get the following message


 52% Initializing precompilation...
 90% Deploying new version.
 95% Will check again in 1 seconds.
 98% Will check again in 2 seconds.
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[appengine-java] Re: Deploy Hangs - Please help

2012-02-28 Thread treguess
Thank you!. I am stuck here.

On Feb 28, 10:36 pm, Prashant antsh...@gmail.com wrote:
 looks like server side issue. retry after some time ...







 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:37 AM, treguess tregu...@gmail.com wrote:
  I am getting stuck when deploy. I get the following message

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