Re: [Google Wave APIs] Google Wave is Dead
This is very sad news... I do agree as well that I feel Google didn't keep their promise as far as releasing the code goes. As far as I can remember, they actually promised to release the full server and web interface that were in production (the Acme-Wave example shown was actually an example of re-using this web interface). This is really what made the developers and companies hope they would integrate it soon enough. I pity the companies who have invested in this, hoping to get the code within months as was promised. It would be great if before retiring, Google would be as kind as to stick to their word and not let a community of developers with products that do not have a platform to work on anymore. I also hope that products such as WaveOne (by ProcessOne) will be open-sourced now that they may be the only future for Wave development. This might not be the end of Wave, if the community stays behind the project, just like Netscape was kept alive until today through Mozilla. Long live Wave, whether Google backs it up or not :-) Raphaël -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
Re: [Google Wave APIs] Google Wave is Dead
Anyone knows if Can I download the google wave server for any site? I was implementing a robot and I would like to continue with it. Thanks. 2010/8/5 Raphaël Pinson raph...@gmail.com This is very sad news... I do agree as well that I feel Google didn't keep their promise as far as releasing the code goes. As far as I can remember, they actually promised to release the full server and web interface that were in production (the Acme-Wave example shown was actually an example of re-using this web interface). This is really what made the developers and companies hope they would integrate it soon enough. I pity the companies who have invested in this, hoping to get the code within months as was promised. It would be great if before retiring, Google would be as kind as to stick to their word and not let a community of developers with products that do not have a platform to work on anymore. I also hope that products such as WaveOne (by ProcessOne) will be open-sourced now that they may be the only future for Wave development. This might not be the end of Wave, if the community stays behind the project, just like Netscape was kept alive until today through Mozilla. Long live Wave, whether Google backs it up or not :-) Raphaël -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
Re: [Google Wave APIs] Google Wave is Dead
Stay tuned. -J On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:31 PM, James Purser jamesrpur...@gmail.com wrote: The google wave production server is not currently available for download. We're going to have to wait and see what Google is going to release (if anything). 2010/8/5 Andrés Cerezo acerezoguil...@gmail.com: Anyone knows if Can I download the google wave server for any site? I was implementing a robot and I would like to continue with it. Thanks. 2010/8/5 Raphaël Pinson raph...@gmail.com This is very sad news... I do agree as well that I feel Google didn't keep their promise as far as releasing the code goes. As far as I can remember, they actually promised to release the full server and web interface that were in production (the Acme-Wave example shown was actually an example of re-using this web interface). This is really what made the developers and companies hope they would integrate it soon enough. I pity the companies who have invested in this, hoping to get the code within months as was promised. It would be great if before retiring, Google would be as kind as to stick to their word and not let a community of developers with products that do not have a platform to work on anymore. I also hope that products such as WaveOne (by ProcessOne) will be open-sourced now that they may be the only future for Wave development. This might not be the end of Wave, if the community stays behind the project, just like Netscape was kept alive until today through Mozilla. Long live Wave, whether Google backs it up or not :-) Raphaël -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave is Dead
Goodbye Google wave, I'll miss you ;( On Aug 5, 11:19 am, Joseph Gentle jose...@gmail.com wrote: Stay tuned. -J On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:31 PM, James Purser jamesrpur...@gmail.com wrote: The google wave production server is not currently available for download. We're going to have to wait and see what Google is going to release (if anything). 2010/8/5 Andrés Cerezo acerezoguil...@gmail.com: Anyone knows if Can I download the google wave server for any site? I was implementing a robot and I would like to continue with it. Thanks. 2010/8/5 Raphaël Pinson raph...@gmail.com This is very sad news... I do agree as well that I feel Google didn't keep their promise as far as releasing the code goes. As far as I can remember, they actually promised to release the full server and web interface that were in production (the Acme-Wave example shown was actually an example of re-using this web interface). This is really what made the developers and companies hope they would integrate it soon enough. I pity the companies who have invested in this, hoping to get the code within months as was promised. It would be great if before retiring, Google would be as kind as to stick to their word and not let a community of developers with products that do not have a platform to work on anymore. I also hope that products such as WaveOne (by ProcessOne) will be open-sourced now that they may be the only future for Wave development. This might not be the end of Wave, if the community stays behind the project, just like Netscape was kept alive until today through Mozilla. Long live Wave, whether Google backs it up or not :-) Raphaël -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2Bunsubscribe@ googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2Bunsubscribe@ googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2Bunsubscribe@ googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
[Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave is Dead
Ok the news is pretty well confirmed. Now let's get serious: what will be done to save and release what has been done until now? Will be the material (API, sites, protocols) kept online even with the project discontinued? I read that this will be kept online until December, but what then? Everything disappears? I'm hoping for everyone that a site (even a parallel, community site) will continue to live and be active, and I'm really hoping that Google decision won't preclude the continuation of this great work by the community. Do someone know if there are already community sites to continue the project? ~Aki -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave is Dead
As far as I know, Google never released the details on setting up your own server. I don't think the Federation protocol was ever fully baked. I could be totally wrong though On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:01 AM, AkiRoss akirosspo...@gmail.com wrote: Ok the news is pretty well confirmed. Now let's get serious: what will be done to save and release what has been done until now? Will be the material (API, sites, protocols) kept online even with the project discontinued? I read that this will be kept online until December, but what then? Everything disappears? I'm hoping for everyone that a site (even a parallel, community site) will continue to live and be active, and I'm really hoping that Google decision won't preclude the continuation of this great work by the community. Do someone know if there are already community sites to continue the project? ~Aki -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave is Dead
Do someone know if there are already community sites to continue the project? There have been several development projects either independently building wave servers (iotaWave is one such) based on the Wave Protocol or using Google's (not complete) FedOne reference implementation. To me, the most important aspect is whether the Wave Protocol itself ( waveprotocol.org) will continue to be supported by those parties interested in Wave federation. That could well depend upon whether the likes of Google, Novell (Pulse), SAP (Streamworks), and IBM (Vulcan) support the protocol. Chris -- iotawave.org Singapore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
[Google Wave APIs] Save the Wave
Wave is such a bold and innovative concept, it deserves to be saved. I hope Google realizes: 1. Wave has not yet reached the maturity status to get the traction from users that they expect. Given some more time and community participation, it will become a killer service. 2. Wave is an idea ahead of its time. It is unfair to expect it to compete with other social network and gaming platforms kind of efforts. It is certainly not in the same category as Buzz, Twitter or Facebook. So to say that ...but Buzz is there is not fair. Its real value is in a providing a new way of collaboration and returns will most likely come from enterprise applications. 3. Wave could be Google's real contribution as compared to some initiatives of me too kind that it has launched recently. Innovations like Wave can only succeed with support of a visionary company, like Google. I hope they have not surrendered completely to the agenda of the suits and still have the resolve to pursue great ideas. I would suggest the following options to Google, in the order of desirability: 1. Continue along the existing road map 2. Scale down Wave investments, with fewer people actively working on it 3. Share all Wave related code, including the production server, with the community under an open source license. Let some of the existing Wave engineers steward the open source effort. I think we should petition Google to rethink its fate. Regards, Hemant *Hemant Shah M.D., M. Surg.* Senior Research Informatician *Henry Ford Health System* http://henryford.com/1 Ford Place http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1+Ford+Place%2CDetroit%2CMI+48202%2CUnited+Stateshl=enDetroit, MI 48202 United States [image: Call me on Google Voice!] http://proteme.org/googlevoice.html *LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/proteme Email: prot...@gmail.com* *Websites: Proteus http://proteme.org/ Proteus Open Source Project http://kenai.com/projects/pip/* -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
Re: [Google Wave APIs] Re: Google Wave is Dead
I really think Google is being very short-sighted in how they are dealing with Wave. The biggest problem is that it was not publicized nearly wide enough, and was not easily open to enough people soon enough. I still think the proper thing to do is just integrate Wave with GMail and give more people good reasons to use GMail. Wave is one of the best inventions since e-mail itself. It dramatically improves how people communicate and collaborate. We just haven't been given long enough to get familiar with it and incorporate it into our daily lives. Please Google - don't let Wave die. Eric Kolotyluk -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
Re: [Google Wave APIs] Google Wave is Dead
I expressed myself more fully in a blog post: http://www.titaniainc.com/wave/what-was-google-wave-what-could-wave-become/ I think what we are witnessing is a disjuncture between the developers working for Google, many who have been making an incredible effort to push things forward and foster the community, and Google's clueless upper management, which can't even seem to remember that it promised the developer community anything a year ago and wants to use all of the cool features of wave primarily to improve existing products. That said, I think they are sensitive to the fact that there is an active community which is precisely why they letting the media handle things and avoiding the harder questions about their fulfillment of previous commitments. My guess is that they simply hope to turn off the site as soon as possible and hope that the media attention fizzles and moves on to the next greatest thing (e.g. Farmville II). On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.auwrote: On 5 August 2010 08:28, Joel Dietz jdi...@gmail.com wrote: http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/04/wave-goodbye-to-google-wave/ Kind of strange to actively encourage development by independent developers and promise future code releases while privately planning to kill the project... It kind of irritates me the way Google went about this. They started a community effort to create something new and unique. They got this community effort, and things seemed to be happening. When we could start to see the light at the end of the tunnel, they decided to cancel the project. Instead of officially informing the community via their own discussion forums of what is happening, we first find out via the media outlets. Even then, in their official blog, they haven't acknowledged the contributions made by extensive community efforts - just some vague reference to numerous loyal fans. Its like the community doesn't matter. So I really think it was always seen by Google management as a commercial/proprietary product, despite the fact it was being advertised as a community effort. That is why it has failed. Alternatively, Google has shown they don't know how to run a community project. They still haven't really explained what this announcement means. Will people lose data they have on Google Wave? I would hope that wave can now be forked and developed independently of Google, with or without Google's help. First step, perhaps, should be to stop calling it Google Wave. Even if Google did decide to change their mind and continue running the show (as other people seem to be suggesting), they would have to show some serious commitment (e.g. releasing all the code as open source). Otherwise I wouldn't be able to trust them not to do the same thing in the future, again. -- Brian May br...@microcomaustralia.com.au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-wave-api%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Wave API group. To post to this group, send email to google-wave-...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-wave-api+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-wave-api?hl=en.
