Re: GWT Portlets framework published
Your logic applies to normal java linking (see fsf's lgpl and java post) but with gwt, it seems it may be thought of as static linking: http://pocketdope.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-you-shouldnt-use-lgpl-for-gwt.html Personally, I would agree. Thoughts? On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, Vitali Lovich vlov...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? No - you only have to distribute the changes you make to the library (can't recall the fundamental differences between v2 v3 for LGPL, but this remains the same because that's the fundamental reason LGPL exists in parallel with GPL). Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GWT Portlets framework published
Hmm. Our intention is to allow the use of GWT Portlets in commercial closed source projects without forcing those projects to become open source. We do want people who modify the framework to contribute their changes back to the community. That is why we chose LGPL instead of GPL or Apache 2. Is there anyone on this thread who is a lawyer who can answer this question? What do we need to do to fulfill our intent as described above? Cheers David On Apr 7, 12:48 pm, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.com wrote: Your logic applies to normal java linking (see fsf's lgpl and java post) but with gwt, it seems it may be thought of as static linking: http://pocketdope.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-you-shouldnt-use-lgpl-for-... Personally, I would agree. Thoughts? On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, Vitali Lovich vlov...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? No - you only have to distribute the changes you make to the library (can't recall the fundamental differences between v2 v3 for LGPL, but this remains the same because that's the fundamental reason LGPL exists in parallel with GPL). Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GWT Portlets framework published
IANAL but I believe you are stuck with liberal licensing or creating your own special license. In practice license makes no difference; if the project is successful it will always have contributions back. Joe On Apr 8, 1:07 am, David Tinker david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Our intention is to allow the use of GWT Portlets in commercial closed source projects without forcing those projects to become open source. We do want people who modify the framework to contribute their changes back to the community. That is why we chose LGPL instead of GPL or Apache 2. Is there anyone on this thread who is a lawyer who can answer this question? What do we need to do to fulfill our intent as described above? Cheers David On Apr 7, 12:48 pm, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.com wrote: Your logic applies to normal java linking (see fsf's lgpl and java post) but with gwt, it seems it may be thought of as static linking: http://pocketdope.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-you-shouldnt-use-lgpl-for-... Personally, I would agree. Thoughts? On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, Vitali Lovich vlov...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? No - you only have to distribute the changes you make to the library (can't recall the fundamental differences between v2 v3 for LGPL, but this remains the same because that's the fundamental reason LGPL exists in parallel with GPL). Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GWT Portlets framework published
It really is an interesting question about how the GWT compiler affects the license. At the end of the day, you could just add an explicit exemption to the LGPL license to clarify the issue - you may want to get advice from a lawyer (or maybe there are some FSF forums out there) on the precise language to use. On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: IANAL but I believe you are stuck with liberal licensing or creating your own special license. In practice license makes no difference; if the project is successful it will always have contributions back. Joe On Apr 8, 1:07 am, David Tinker david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Our intention is to allow the use of GWT Portlets in commercial closed source projects without forcing those projects to become open source. We do want people who modify the framework to contribute their changes back to the community. That is why we chose LGPL instead of GPL or Apache 2. Is there anyone on this thread who is a lawyer who can answer this question? What do we need to do to fulfill our intent as described above? Cheers David On Apr 7, 12:48 pm, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.com wrote: Your logic applies to normal java linking (see fsf's lgpl and java post) but with gwt, it seems it may be thought of as static linking: http://pocketdope.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-you-shouldnt-use-lgpl-for-. .. Personally, I would agree. Thoughts? On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, Vitali Lovich vlov...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? No - you only have to distribute the changes you make to the library (can't recall the fundamental differences between v2 v3 for LGPL, but this remains the same because that's the fundamental reason LGPL exists in parallel with GPL). Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GWT Portlets framework published
I think we might have to just change to Apache 2. The problem with creating our own license is that people wanting to use the framework might need to hire a lawyer first :) On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Vitali Lovich vlov...@gmail.com wrote: It really is an interesting question about how the GWT compiler affects the license. At the end of the day, you could just add an explicit exemption to the LGPL license to clarify the issue - you may want to get advice from a lawyer (or maybe there are some FSF forums out there) on the precise language to use. On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.com wrote: IANAL but I believe you are stuck with liberal licensing or creating your own special license. In practice license makes no difference; if the project is successful it will always have contributions back. Joe On Apr 8, 1:07 am, David Tinker david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm. Our intention is to allow the use of GWT Portlets in commercial closed source projects without forcing those projects to become open source. We do want people who modify the framework to contribute their changes back to the community. That is why we chose LGPL instead of GPL or Apache 2. Is there anyone on this thread who is a lawyer who can answer this question? What do we need to do to fulfill our intent as described above? Cheers David On Apr 7, 12:48 pm, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.com wrote: Your logic applies to normal java linking (see fsf's lgpl and java post) but with gwt, it seems it may be thought of as static linking: http://pocketdope.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-you-shouldnt-use-lgpl-for-... Personally, I would agree. Thoughts? On Apr 7, 3:04 pm, Vitali Lovich vlov...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? No - you only have to distribute the changes you make to the library (can't recall the fundamental differences between v2 v3 for LGPL, but this remains the same because that's the fundamental reason LGPL exists in parallel with GPL). Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
GWT Portlets framework published
GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GWT Portlets framework published
Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: GWT Portlets framework published
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Joe Cole profilercorporat...@gmail.comwrote: Looks great. What are the implications for the use of the LGPL? From my understanding LGPL + gwt = distribute source? No - you only have to distribute the changes you make to the library (can't recall the fundamental differences between v2 v3 for LGPL, but this remains the same because that's the fundamental reason LGPL exists in parallel with GPL). Joe On Apr 7, 1:37 am, david.tin...@gmail.com david.tin...@gmail.com wrote: GWT Portlets is a free open source web framework for building modular GWT (Google Web Toolkit) applications. GWT provides the low level building blocks required to build web applications (Java to Javascript compiler, basic UI widgets, an RPC mechanism etc.) but typical business applications can benefit from the additional scaffolding provided by GWT Portlets. In traditional web applications this role would be fulfilled by Struts and other web frameworks. http://www.gwtportlets.org/ Please have a look. All feedback will be appreciated. Note that the signup mails send by the site tend to get eaten by spam filters so check your spam folder if you don't receive the mail. Thanks David --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to Google-Web-Toolkit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Google-Web-Toolkit?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
