Re: JPA for GWT
Hi Arnaud, As a member of the Errai team at JBoss, I just wanted to jump in and correct a few of your assertions here before any bad rumours get started. There is no part of JPA that we ever claimed was unsupportable. We've started with a useful subset and we're working with the community to add new features as people find use cases for them on the client side. Most recently, we added support for abstract entity classes based on a request in our forum. Also, there's currently a community member who's thinking about contributing support for @Embeddable types. >From our reference guide, here's the list of stuff we said we "probably will" support eventually and "may never" support because of realities of the browser environment: https://docs.jboss.org/author/display/ERRAI/Errai+JPA#ErraiJPA-JPAFeaturesNotImplementedinErrai2.1 As far as needing to rewrite to add a feature, the errai-jpa code base is very clean, has plenty of API docs, and is thoroughly covered by JUnit tests. You can undertake a significant refactoring without fear of accidentally breaking an existing feature. The errai-jpa code is also modular: the EntityManager implementation is fully separated from the underlying Window.localStorage backend by a StorageBackend interface. The idea is that one day our community might find a need for IndexDB (or even WebSQLDB) support and implement it. Thanks to the robust test suite, the exact contract of StorageBackend is negotiable. Also, there's one incorrect item on your list of things we haven't implemented yet: we do support multiple persistence contexts. This feature is used by our errai-jpa-data-sync module for tracking the latest known state of entities on the server, but of course you can create additional persistence contexts for your own purposes. Finally, I have to say everyone on the Errai team has a great track record of merging in pull requests from the community. We give pull requests our utmost attention and work with contributors to make sure their features and fixes are merged ASAP. See for yourself at https://github.com/errai/errai/pulls?direction=desc&page=1&sort=created&state=closed Why not join us? Pick an aspect of our JPA implementation that's missing and you can't live without, then work with us to add it to what's already there. We're very friendly and always available to help contributors get their bearings on the errai-dev mailing list, #errai on FreeNode, and our web forum. Best regards, Jonathan On Wednesday, 27 November 2013 11:59:43 UTC-5, Ltearno wrote: > > The problem is that Errai is not supported by an underlying powerful SQL > implementation. That's why they say those features will *never *be > implemented, because that's not possible with their underlying data storage > management (i guess but i am not 100% sure, that they use the LocalStorage > which is just a key/value map, and they then build a minimal subset of JPA > on top of it) > > So anyway, that would mean rewriting a lot of code in the Errai project, > which is great by the way. > > Thanks > Arnaud > > > 2013/11/27 Alain Ekambi > > >> ERRAI is open source. Why not extend or contribuate to it instead of >> rolling with a yet a new library ? >> Sounds good though :) >> >> >> 2013/11/27 Arnaud TOURNIER > >> >>> Yes i know ERRAI but : >>> >>> >>>- You can only execute very simple queries, >>>- You cannot use any joins or nested attribute retrieval, >>>- All queries should be parsable at compile time. That means you >>>cannot generate dynamic queries during your application run, >>>- Transactions are not possible, >>>- You can have only one persistence context, >>>- The GROUP BY clause is not supported... >>> >>> That's why a REAL JPA implementation is missing... >>> >>> Thanks ! >>> Arnaud >>> >>> >>> 2013/11/27 Subhrajyoti Moitra > >>> try Errai framework. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Ltearno > wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am planning to implement a fully compliant JPA library for GWT. But > before i do so, i need to first know whether people would be interested > by > such a project. > > So here is a survey that i ask you to fill, it will help me to focus > on most important features first. > > http://www.lteconsulting.fr/jpa-for-gwt.html > > Thank you all ! > Arnaud Tournier > http://www.lteconsulting.fr > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > > To post to this group, send email to > google-we...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >
Re: JPA for GWT
Sounds nice, but if you want people to really use it, make sure it's "carried" by a company that will ensure future maintenance Example: maybe you make an awesome tool, but if you next year decide to changes jobs or not maintain it anymore, people are stuck with it and can't upgrade to newer gwt versions for example... (See many of the current gwt lib's out there). So, for me: I would never use it until I have confidence in this. Secondly: you should post this in the gwt contributor forum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: JPA for GWT
I completely agree with this point ! It should be fast enough so that browser doesn't seem sluggish. Arnaud 2013/11/27 Jens > >>- You can only execute very simple queries, >>- You cannot use any joins or nested attribute retrieval, >>- All queries should be parsable at compile time. That means you >>cannot generate dynamic queries during your application run, >>- Transactions are not possible, >>- You can have only one persistence context, >>- The GROUP BY clause is not supported... >> >> That's why a REAL JPA implementation is missing... >> > > > Maybe you should reach out to Errai and check if there were good reasons > to have these restrictions. My feeling is that a "real jpa" implementation > would result in too much overhead from a code size point of view as well as > runtime overhead. If a real JPA implementation will cause the browser to > hang every now and then if things get a bit more complicated then no one > will use it. A browser that feels sluggish because of a library is a no-go. > > > -- J. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/8k_pqIciRHQ/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: JPA for GWT
The problem is that Errai is not supported by an underlying powerful SQL implementation. That's why they say those features will *never *be implemented, because that's not possible with their underlying data storage management (i guess but i am not 100% sure, that they use the LocalStorage which is just a key/value map, and they then build a minimal subset of JPA on top of it) So anyway, that would mean rewriting a lot of code in the Errai project, which is great by the way. Thanks Arnaud 2013/11/27 Alain Ekambi > ERRAI is open source. Why not extend or contribuate to it instead of > rolling with a yet a new library ? > Sounds good though :) > > > 2013/11/27 Arnaud TOURNIER > >> Yes i know ERRAI but : >> >> >>- You can only execute very simple queries, >>- You cannot use any joins or nested attribute retrieval, >>- All queries should be parsable at compile time. That means you >>cannot generate dynamic queries during your application run, >>- Transactions are not possible, >>- You can have only one persistence context, >>- The GROUP BY clause is not supported... >> >> That's why a REAL JPA implementation is missing... >> >> Thanks ! >> Arnaud >> >> >> 2013/11/27 Subhrajyoti Moitra >> >>> try Errai framework. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Ltearno wrote: >>> Hi everybody, I am planning to implement a fully compliant JPA library for GWT. But before i do so, i need to first know whether people would be interested by such a project. So here is a survey that i ask you to fill, it will help me to focus on most important features first. http://www.lteconsulting.fr/jpa-for-gwt.html Thank you all ! Arnaud Tournier http://www.lteconsulting.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/8k_pqIciRHQ/unsubscribe >>> . >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google Web Toolkit" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/8k_pqIciRHQ/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: JPA for GWT
> > >- You can only execute very simple queries, >- You cannot use any joins or nested attribute retrieval, >- All queries should be parsable at compile time. That means you >cannot generate dynamic queries during your application run, >- Transactions are not possible, >- You can have only one persistence context, >- The GROUP BY clause is not supported... > > That's why a REAL JPA implementation is missing... > Maybe you should reach out to Errai and check if there were good reasons to have these restrictions. My feeling is that a "real jpa" implementation would result in too much overhead from a code size point of view as well as runtime overhead. If a real JPA implementation will cause the browser to hang every now and then if things get a bit more complicated then no one will use it. A browser that feels sluggish because of a library is a no-go. -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: JPA for GWT
ERRAI is open source. Why not extend or contribuate to it instead of rolling with a yet a new library ? Sounds good though :) 2013/11/27 Arnaud TOURNIER > Yes i know ERRAI but : > > >- You can only execute very simple queries, >- You cannot use any joins or nested attribute retrieval, >- All queries should be parsable at compile time. That means you >cannot generate dynamic queries during your application run, >- Transactions are not possible, >- You can have only one persistence context, >- The GROUP BY clause is not supported... > > That's why a REAL JPA implementation is missing... > > Thanks ! > Arnaud > > > 2013/11/27 Subhrajyoti Moitra > >> try Errai framework. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Ltearno wrote: >> >>> Hi everybody, >>> >>> I am planning to implement a fully compliant JPA library for GWT. But >>> before i do so, i need to first know whether people would be interested by >>> such a project. >>> >>> So here is a survey that i ask you to fill, it will help me to focus on >>> most important features first. >>> >>> http://www.lteconsulting.fr/jpa-for-gwt.html >>> >>> Thank you all ! >>> Arnaud Tournier >>> http://www.lteconsulting.fr >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/8k_pqIciRHQ/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: JPA for GWT
Yes i know ERRAI but : - You can only execute very simple queries, - You cannot use any joins or nested attribute retrieval, - All queries should be parsable at compile time. That means you cannot generate dynamic queries during your application run, - Transactions are not possible, - You can have only one persistence context, - The GROUP BY clause is not supported... That's why a REAL JPA implementation is missing... Thanks ! Arnaud 2013/11/27 Subhrajyoti Moitra > try Errai framework. > > > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Ltearno wrote: > >> Hi everybody, >> >> I am planning to implement a fully compliant JPA library for GWT. But >> before i do so, i need to first know whether people would be interested by >> such a project. >> >> So here is a survey that i ask you to fill, it will help me to focus on >> most important features first. >> >> http://www.lteconsulting.fr/jpa-for-gwt.html >> >> Thank you all ! >> Arnaud Tournier >> http://www.lteconsulting.fr >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google Web Toolkit" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> >> To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/8k_pqIciRHQ/unsubscribe > . > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: JPA for GWT
try Errai framework. On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Ltearno wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am planning to implement a fully compliant JPA library for GWT. But > before i do so, i need to first know whether people would be interested by > such a project. > > So here is a survey that i ask you to fill, it will help me to focus on > most important features first. > > http://www.lteconsulting.fr/jpa-for-gwt.html > > Thank you all ! > Arnaud Tournier > http://www.lteconsulting.fr > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
JPA for GWT
Hi everybody, I am planning to implement a fully compliant JPA library for GWT. But before i do so, i need to first know whether people would be interested by such a project. So here is a survey that i ask you to fill, it will help me to focus on most important features first. http://www.lteconsulting.fr/jpa-for-gwt.html Thank you all ! Arnaud Tournier http://www.lteconsulting.fr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Rebar: Gears workers, jdbc, and jpa for GWT
Hi all, I just wanted to share the link for a few modules related to GWT / gears / HTML5 that we've recently packaged as open source at http://code.google.com/p/rebar, which includes: * GWT linker for building (Gears) workers, complete with RPC support * JDBC emulation layer that facilitates testing, * An experimental JPA implementation for client-side GWT (and it works!) We'll be adding deferred bindings for browsers that support HTML5 in the coming month, but right now the suite works nicely with Gears. I think there's a few folks out there that have used it in their projects successfully, so thought it might be a good moment to share with the newsgroup. Best, Alex at be data driven com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-tool...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
