Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-19 Thread Matt H
GWT is used in LOTS of Google products nowadays, and I'd bet that
they're keen to use it more. They clearly love it, so I reckon it's
here to stay.

On Aug 6, 7:24 pm, Arthur Kalmenson  wrote:
> I think it's important to remember that GWT was used to rebuild the
> AdWords UI, which is the primary driver of revenue for Google. I'm
> hoping that this will keep GWT top of mind for Googlers for a long
> time to come.
>
> Also, AFAIK, the mobile Gmail app is also built with GWT.
>
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>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:10 AM, hummh  wrote:
> > I would expect an official announcement from Google, what impact that
> > decision has to the future of GWT. On the one side,  I see many
> > companies switching from classic server based web frameworks to GWT.
> > On the other side one of the major innovation drivers of GWT is gone.
> > So the questions are: what are the long term plans of Google for GWT?
> > Are there plans to use it in other Google applications (would be the
> > best sign that Google itself believes in GWT)? Are the companies
> > investments in GWT future proof? ...
>
> > On 5 Aug., 17:57, Chris Ramsdale  wrote:
> >> Thanks for all of the responses, even the criticism is highly
> >> beneficial. In regard to theWaveannouncement, we're certainly sad,
> >> but do realize that many features (Code Splitting, SOYC, another spin
> >> on MVP+GWT) were born out of the experiment. Where possible, we're
> >> definitely interested in pulling in some of theWavefunctionality
> >> into GWT (widgets obviously being top of mind).
>
> >> Re: Instantiations, we're extremely excited to have the team joining.
> >> Right now, we're heads down integrating the team and the products, but
> >> we'll keep the GWT community posted when we have more information.
>
> >> -- Chris
>
> >> On Aug 5, 12:04 am, Steve Wart  wrote:
>
> >> > Holy smokes, first SpringSource acquires GemStone, now this.
>
> >> > Did someone in Silicon Valley suddenly figure out that Smalltalk is 
> >> > cool? :)
>
> >> > FWIW, I've had far more success getting JSON to work with Smalltalk
> >> > and GWT than we ever had with 13 years of Java and XML. Coincidence?
>
> >> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shawn Brown  
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> >> > >> project heavy uses it:(.
>
> >> > > Not anytime soon I imagine.
>
> >> > > Look Google just acquired instantiations which makes the gwtdesigner.
>
> >> > >http://www.instantiations.com/
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-06 Thread Arthur Kalmenson
I think it's important to remember that GWT was used to rebuild the
AdWords UI, which is the primary driver of revenue for Google. I'm
hoping that this will keep GWT top of mind for Googlers for a long
time to come.

Also, AFAIK, the mobile Gmail app is also built with GWT.

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On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:10 AM, hummh  wrote:
> I would expect an official announcement from Google, what impact that
> decision has to the future of GWT. On the one side,  I see many
> companies switching from classic server based web frameworks to GWT.
> On the other side one of the major innovation drivers of GWT is gone.
> So the questions are: what are the long term plans of Google for GWT?
> Are there plans to use it in other Google applications (would be the
> best sign that Google itself believes in GWT)? Are the companies
> investments in GWT future proof? ...
>
> On 5 Aug., 17:57, Chris Ramsdale  wrote:
>> Thanks for all of the responses, even the criticism is highly
>> beneficial. In regard to theWaveannouncement, we're certainly sad,
>> but do realize that many features (Code Splitting, SOYC, another spin
>> on MVP+GWT) were born out of the experiment. Where possible, we're
>> definitely interested in pulling in some of theWavefunctionality
>> into GWT (widgets obviously being top of mind).
>>
>> Re: Instantiations, we're extremely excited to have the team joining.
>> Right now, we're heads down integrating the team and the products, but
>> we'll keep the GWT community posted when we have more information.
>>
>> -- Chris
>>
>> On Aug 5, 12:04 am, Steve Wart  wrote:
>>
>> > Holy smokes, first SpringSource acquires GemStone, now this.
>>
>> > Did someone in Silicon Valley suddenly figure out that Smalltalk is cool? 
>> > :)
>>
>> > FWIW, I've had far more success getting JSON to work with Smalltalk
>> > and GWT than we ever had with 13 years of Java and XML. Coincidence?
>>
>> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shawn Brown  
>> > wrote:
>> > >> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
>> > >> project heavy uses it:(.
>>
>> > > Not anytime soon I imagine.
>>
>> > > Look Google just acquired instantiations which makes the gwtdesigner.
>>
>> > >http://www.instantiations.com/
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-06 Thread Christian Goudreau
I loved wave :( But I don't think that will do anything to GWT. There's a
lot of products that use it made by google like said by others.

Let's have a minute of silence for Wave.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Mikael Couzic wrote:

> I completely agree with darkFlame, it's a shame. I even got the
> feeling that if Wave had been more mature when it was released and
> immediately open for everyone with a Google account, the story would
> have been written differently.
>
>
>
> On 5 août, 17:41, darkflame  wrote:
> > The sad part is, its the Wave Federation Protocol that was the "big
> > thing" and the "real" alternative to Facebook.
> > I worry now is that we might well get a rebranding Buzz in a few
> > years, but the hopes of an open decentralized system are just gone.
> > Email will be all we ever have.
> >
> > I do appreciate a lot of the excellent developments to spin out of
> > Wave's GUI, but its a shame that the core principle/idea seems lost
> > due to lack of interest in one implementation.
> >
> > On Aug 5, 3:14 am, charlie  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I've read much lately that google is working hard to get a social
> networking
> > > site to compete with facebook, I'm guessing they're pulling wave now so
> when
> > > it's ready it will be fresh and people will have forgotten wave.
> >
> > > And seeing how adwords , gmail and most of the google apps suite use
> GWT, I
> > > think we will be safe.
> >
> > > Having such a slow release schedule is kind of worrying though.
> >
> > > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Edgenius 
> wrote:
> > > > I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> > > > project heavy uses it:(.
> >
> > > > It doesn't release any new major version since last Dec. Although
> > > > there is 2.1m2 released, I test it and found it is far more from
> final
> > > > release.  One year is for a major release, can we call it as an
> active
> > > > project!?
> >
> > > > On Aug 5, 9:59 am, retro  wrote:
> > > > > Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially
> died
> > > > > today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned.
> Also
> > > > > can we have the UI code open sourced as well?
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-06 Thread Mikael Couzic
I completely agree with darkFlame, it's a shame. I even got the
feeling that if Wave had been more mature when it was released and
immediately open for everyone with a Google account, the story would
have been written differently.



On 5 août, 17:41, darkflame  wrote:
> The sad part is, its the Wave Federation Protocol that was the "big
> thing" and the "real" alternative to Facebook.
> I worry now is that we might well get a rebranding Buzz in a few
> years, but the hopes of an open decentralized system are just gone.
> Email will be all we ever have.
>
> I do appreciate a lot of the excellent developments to spin out of
> Wave's GUI, but its a shame that the core principle/idea seems lost
> due to lack of interest in one implementation.
>
> On Aug 5, 3:14 am, charlie  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I've read much lately that google is working hard to get a social networking
> > site to compete with facebook, I'm guessing they're pulling wave now so when
> > it's ready it will be fresh and people will have forgotten wave.
>
> > And seeing how adwords , gmail and most of the google apps suite use GWT, I
> > think we will be safe.
>
> > Having such a slow release schedule is kind of worrying though.
>
> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Edgenius  wrote:
> > > I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> > > project heavy uses it:(.
>
> > > It doesn't release any new major version since last Dec. Although
> > > there is 2.1m2 released, I test it and found it is far more from final
> > > release.  One year is for a major release, can we call it as an active
> > > project!?
>
> > > On Aug 5, 9:59 am, retro  wrote:
> > > > Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially died
> > > > today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned. Also
> > > > can we have the UI code open sourced as well?
>
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-06 Thread hummh
I would expect an official announcement from Google, what impact that
decision has to the future of GWT. On the one side,  I see many
companies switching from classic server based web frameworks to GWT.
On the other side one of the major innovation drivers of GWT is gone.
So the questions are: what are the long term plans of Google for GWT?
Are there plans to use it in other Google applications (would be the
best sign that Google itself believes in GWT)? Are the companies
investments in GWT future proof? ...

On 5 Aug., 17:57, Chris Ramsdale  wrote:
> Thanks for all of the responses, even the criticism is highly
> beneficial. In regard to theWaveannouncement, we're certainly sad,
> but do realize that many features (Code Splitting, SOYC, another spin
> on MVP+GWT) were born out of the experiment. Where possible, we're
> definitely interested in pulling in some of theWavefunctionality
> into GWT (widgets obviously being top of mind).
>
> Re: Instantiations, we're extremely excited to have the team joining.
> Right now, we're heads down integrating the team and the products, but
> we'll keep the GWT community posted when we have more information.
>
> -- Chris
>
> On Aug 5, 12:04 am, Steve Wart  wrote:
>
> > Holy smokes, first SpringSource acquires GemStone, now this.
>
> > Did someone in Silicon Valley suddenly figure out that Smalltalk is cool? :)
>
> > FWIW, I've had far more success getting JSON to work with Smalltalk
> > and GWT than we ever had with 13 years of Java and XML. Coincidence?
>
> > On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shawn Brown  
> > wrote:
> > >> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> > >> project heavy uses it:(.
>
> > > Not anytime soon I imagine.
>
> > > Look Google just acquired instantiations which makes the gwtdesigner.
>
> > >http://www.instantiations.com/
>
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-05 Thread Chris Ramsdale
Thanks for all of the responses, even the criticism is highly
beneficial. In regard to the Wave announcement, we're certainly sad,
but do realize that many features (Code Splitting, SOYC, another spin
on MVP+GWT) were born out of the experiment. Where possible, we're
definitely interested in pulling in some of the Wave functionality
into GWT (widgets obviously being top of mind).

Re: Instantiations, we're extremely excited to have the team joining.
Right now, we're heads down integrating the team and the products, but
we'll keep the GWT community posted when we have more information.

-- Chris

On Aug 5, 12:04 am, Steve Wart  wrote:
> Holy smokes, first SpringSource acquires GemStone, now this.
>
> Did someone in Silicon Valley suddenly figure out that Smalltalk is cool? :)
>
> FWIW, I've had far more success getting JSON to work with Smalltalk
> and GWT than we ever had with 13 years of Java and XML. Coincidence?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shawn Brown  
> wrote:
> >> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> >> project heavy uses it:(.
>
> > Not anytime soon I imagine.
>
> > Look Google just acquired instantiations which makes the gwtdesigner.
>
> >http://www.instantiations.com/
>
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-05 Thread darkflame
The sad part is, its the Wave Federation Protocol that was the "big
thing" and the "real" alternative to Facebook.
I worry now is that we might well get a rebranding Buzz in a few
years, but the hopes of an open decentralized system are just gone.
Email will be all we ever have.

I do appreciate a lot of the excellent developments to spin out of
Wave's GUI, but its a shame that the core principle/idea seems lost
due to lack of interest in one implementation.

On Aug 5, 3:14 am, charlie  wrote:
> I've read much lately that google is working hard to get a social networking
> site to compete with facebook, I'm guessing they're pulling wave now so when
> it's ready it will be fresh and people will have forgotten wave.
>
> And seeing how adwords , gmail and most of the google apps suite use GWT, I
> think we will be safe.
>
> Having such a slow release schedule is kind of worrying though.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Edgenius  wrote:
> > I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> > project heavy uses it:(.
>
> > It doesn't release any new major version since last Dec. Although
> > there is 2.1m2 released, I test it and found it is far more from final
> > release.  One year is for a major release, can we call it as an active
> > project!?
>
> > On Aug 5, 9:59 am, retro  wrote:
> > > Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially died
> > > today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned. Also
> > > can we have the UI code open sourced as well?
>
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-05 Thread Steve Wart
Holy smokes, first SpringSource acquires GemStone, now this.

Did someone in Silicon Valley suddenly figure out that Smalltalk is cool? :)

FWIW, I've had far more success getting JSON to work with Smalltalk
and GWT than we ever had with 13 years of Java and XML. Coincidence?

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shawn Brown  wrote:
>> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
>> project heavy uses it:(.
>
> Not anytime soon I imagine.
>
> Look Google just acquired instantiations which makes the gwtdesigner.
>
> http://www.instantiations.com/
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-05 Thread monkeyboy
Does anybody know if they will include some (or all) of the widgets we
have seen in Wave to GWT? Wave has some pretty cool widgets.

On Aug 5, 4:10 am, retro  wrote:
> Well one great news is INSTANTIATIONS...I am pretty
> sure their GWT designer team has some designers on board and they can
> whip out some skins.
>
> Also, google is putting money to good use so for God's sake acquire
> Isomorphic.

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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread retro
Well one great news is INSTANTIATIONS...I am pretty
sure their GWT designer team has some designers on board and they can
whip out some skins.

Also, google is putting money to good use so for God's sake acquire
Isomorphic.

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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread retro
Well google acquired Instantiations so probably GWT designer will be
open sourced in some form.

There are a bunch of must do's for GWT to be a credible alternative
and if the might of Google cannot give us an end to end ajax toolkit
then the likes of Sun microsystem's failing is no surprise. maybe free
software is a tricky business.

Must do's for GWT:

1) Where is my freaking DataBinding? I know i can add listeners and
add MVP to do what we want, but the design seems fit for just simple
UI's. Anyone looking for an alternative to Flex/SproutCore/Ajax/RIA
should have better databinding support.

2) Give me a nice professional skin, for God's sake the enterprise
skin should be easy to build and there should be better looking
widgets. Even a blind person will cringe when he sees the GWT widgets.
It makes me feel like Web 1.0 was so much better and i don't need
AJAX.

3)Add some security/authorization/authentication support to widgets.
Understood that it's fake security being on the client, but it's still
needed for suppressing component display based on user roles.

4) DataBound widgets in GWT 2.1 are a shame compared to what EXT or
SmartGWT grids offer. If they can do it in Javascript and it's too
tough to do the same in GWT, then for God's sake stand up and say we
give up, and add GodDamn wrappers to google branded javascripts.

I have a hundred other things which i can think of but it seems like
Google is not putting enough people behind GWT. Bruce/Ray/Sumit anyone?

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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread Brett Thomas
Even if Google stopped supporting it, don't you think that it'd be kept up
by community contributors? At the current release rate, maybe that would be
faster anyways.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:14 PM, charlie  wrote:

> I've read much lately that google is working hard to get a social
> networking site to compete with facebook, I'm guessing they're pulling wave
> now so when it's ready it will be fresh and people will have forgotten wave.
>
> And seeing how adwords , gmail and most of the google apps suite use GWT, I
> think we will be safe.
>
> Having such a slow release schedule is kind of worrying though.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Edgenius  wrote:
>
>> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
>> project heavy uses it:(.
>>
>> It doesn't release any new major version since last Dec. Although
>> there is 2.1m2 released, I test it and found it is far more from final
>> release.  One year is for a major release, can we call it as an active
>> project!?
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 9:59 am, retro  wrote:
>> > Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially died
>> > today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned. Also
>> > can we have the UI code open sourced as well?
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread Shawn Brown
> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> project heavy uses it:(.

Not anytime soon I imagine.

Look Google just acquired instantiations which makes the gwtdesigner.

http://www.instantiations.com/

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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread charlie
I've read much lately that google is working hard to get a social networking
site to compete with facebook, I'm guessing they're pulling wave now so when
it's ready it will be fresh and people will have forgotten wave.

And seeing how adwords , gmail and most of the google apps suite use GWT, I
think we will be safe.

Having such a slow release schedule is kind of worrying though.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Edgenius  wrote:

> I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
> project heavy uses it:(.
>
> It doesn't release any new major version since last Dec. Although
> there is 2.1m2 released, I test it and found it is far more from final
> release.  One year is for a major release, can we call it as an active
> project!?
>
>
> On Aug 5, 9:59 am, retro  wrote:
> > Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially died
> > today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned. Also
> > can we have the UI code open sourced as well?
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Re: Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread Edgenius
I just worry about GWT itself.  Google may kill GWT some day. Our
project heavy uses it:(.

It doesn't release any new major version since last Dec. Although
there is 2.1m2 released, I test it and found it is far more from final
release.  One year is for a major release, can we call it as an active
project!?


On Aug 5, 9:59 am, retro  wrote:
> Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially died
> today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned. Also
> can we have the UI code open sourced as well?

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Wave Demise.........sad day for GWT

2010-08-04 Thread retro
Well poster boy for google's gwt adoption google wave officially died
today. I would love the wave/gwt team to share lesson's learned. Also
can we have the UI code open sourced as well?

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