RE: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)?
But it's a five-year average. We can rely on Census not to release PHI . . . Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas D. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep't Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 Kellogg: 2211 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 -Original Message- From: Dan Connelly Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:29 PM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu; Mei Liu <mei...@kumc.edu>; furmanc...@icnanotox.org; kosin...@mcw.edu Cc: btay...@mcw.edu; vanri...@umn.edu; meye0...@umn.edu; Lindsey Cook <lindsey.k...@northwestern.edu>; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu>; Brennan Connolly <bconno...@kumc.edu>; nicholas-c-sm...@uiowa.edu; phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu; mo...@health.missouri.edu; danh...@regenstrief.org; Hillary Sandoval <hsando...@kumc.edu>; George Kowalski <gkowal...@mcw.edu> Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? The tract identifier identifies a geographic location with less than 20,000 people in it, in most cases. That puts it on the PHI side of the "Safe Harbor" method, no? Excerpt from "Guidance Regarding Methods for De-identification of Protected Health Information in Accordance with the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) Privacy Rule" https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.hhs.gov_hipaa_for-2Dprofessionals_privacy_special-2Dtopics_de-2Didentification_index.html=DwIF-g=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=UogPJ7VYoAeiC8NNwyY5AxLx8QgaRiMcicgAv7oi3tc=U78KtNME0I70ZozrDQ4Eb2iFWMXFlV6L5ANpuzQvQ10=5L4-CYK_x0znYIze381codm7XjhTBwzr-NgWIiDYWfw= : the "Safe Harbor" method: (2)(i) The following identifiers of the individual or of relatives, employers, or household members of the individual, are removed: (B) All geographic subdivisions smaller than a state, including street address, city, county, precinct, ZIP code, and their equivalent geocodes, except for the initial three digits of the ZIP code if, according to the current publicly available data from the Bureau of the Census: (1) The geographic unit formed by combining all ZIP codes with the same three initial digits contains more than 20,000 people; and (2) The initial three digits of a ZIP code for all such geographic units containing 20,000 or fewer people is changed to 000 -- Dan From: Bernard Black [bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 1:09 PM To: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu; Dan Connolly; Mei Liu; furmanc...@icnanotox.org; kosin...@mcw.edu Cc: btay...@mcw.edu; vanri...@umn.edu; meye0...@umn.edu; Lindsey Cook; Charon Gladfelter; Brennan Connolly; nicholas-c-sm...@uiowa.edu; phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu; mo...@health.missouri.edu; danh...@regenstrief.org; Hillary Sandoval; George Kowalski Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? Census tract information *is* averaged, and is not PHI. That is why Census is willing to release it. Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas D. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep't Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 Kellogg: 2211 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=DwIF-g=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=UogPJ7VYoAeiC8NNwyY5AxLx8QgaRiMcicgAv7oi3tc=U78KtNME0I70ZozrDQ4Eb2iFWMXFlV6L5ANpuzQvQ10=KBr07Xe7ZOUTPiBff46YgGD4jsS9d4Z74Y252zmRqRY= -Original Message- From: GPC Informatics [mailto:d...@madmode.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:11 PM To: Dan Connelly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; mei...@kumc.edu; furmanc...@icnanotox.org; kosin...@mcw.edu Cc: btay...@mcw.edu; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; vanri...@umn.edu; meye0...@umn.edu; Lindsey Cook <lindsey.k...@northwestern.edu>; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu>; bconno...@kumc.edu; nicholas-c-sm...@uiowa.edu; phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu; mo...@health.missouri.edu; danh...@regenstrief.org; hsando...@kumc.edu; George Kowalski
RE: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)?
Census tract information *is* averaged, and is not PHI. That is why Census is willing to release it. Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas D. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep’t Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 Kellogg: 2211 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 -Original Message- From: GPC Informatics [mailto:d...@madmode.com] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 12:11 PM To: Dan Connelly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; mei...@kumc.edu; furmanc...@icnanotox.org; kosin...@mcw.edu Cc: btay...@mcw.edu; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; vanri...@umn.edu; meye0...@umn.edu; Lindsey Cook <lindsey.k...@northwestern.edu>; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu>; bconno...@kumc.edu; nicholas-c-sm...@uiowa.edu; phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu; mo...@health.missouri.edu; danh...@regenstrief.org; hsando...@kumc.edu; George Kowalski <gkowal...@mcw.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? --+--- Reporter: dconnolly | Owner: meiliu Type: design-issue | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: next-d Component: data-stds | Resolution: Keywords:| Blocked By: Blocking: 598 | --+--- Comment (by meiliu): Our most recent IRB protocol is in the attachment. - As noted in the protocol, "...variables such as income, educational attainment, likelihood of employment, poverty status, owner-occupied house value, and health insurance coverage derived from geocoded address data will be used only as average values, not tied to any specific individual but rather to study populations." - I did not find any language on sharing census tract information. I've discussed this with Tamara McMahon and agree that since census tract may be PHI, we currently don't have the governance to take approach 1. Welcome any input from other sites. -- Ticket URL: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_544-23comment-3A15=DwICaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=wjt2QT-caC0BaQoqA-1jzlQgfOhmfVhDcHV0oV9o_sA=SiG0BJXb-ag0DCYa_svdEDeEWNVOJVkGOkV0JtvXSAY= > gpc-informatics <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_=DwICaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=wjt2QT-caC0BaQoqA-1jzlQgfOhmfVhDcHV0oV9o_sA=Mpnaed_RgiVlMRfvyIbhydJzr6UR3yEq9-l7Cbir8co= > Greater Plains Network - Informatics ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)?
We are aware of this issue, it was discussed at the all-hands meeting in Northwestern Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas J. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep’t Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 Kellogg: 2211 Campus Drive, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 -Original Message- From: GPC Informatics [mailto:d...@madmode.com] Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 12:08 PM To: Dan Connelly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; furmanc...@icnanotox.org; mei...@kumc.edu Cc: btay...@mcw.edu; ngra...@kumc.edu; bzscho...@kumc.edu; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; vanri...@umn.edu; meye0...@umn.edu; Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu>; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? --+--- Reporter: dconnolly | Owner: afurmanchuck Type: design-issue | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: next-d Component: data-stds | Resolution: Keywords:| Blocked By: Blocking: 598 | --+--- Changes (by dconnolly): * priority: minor => major Comment: This is a priority for July according to the timeline in ticket:545#comment:20. -- Ticket URL: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_544-23comment-3A8=DwICaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=m_YqjHcRDfu2JYEBSkmytvq6cPJgrEvtzellkbRZSTM=O8tlnAdCU9jkZGIlOxq6myeYsKWuCS2pV1S78Wp9-c8= > gpc-informatics <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_=DwICaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=m_YqjHcRDfu2JYEBSkmytvq6cPJgrEvtzellkbRZSTM=rtASNjG-jEQaNYxcDrXE45j0oCx-fBdHgzwZqKq3gTw= > Greater Plains Network - Informatics ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: Next-D labs
Yes Charon and Michael: When will call in/video information be available? Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 -Original Message- From: Taylor, Bradley [mailto:btay...@mcw.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:14 AM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; Kho, Abel <abel@nm.org>; Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu>; Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu> Cc: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu Subject: Re: Next-D labs Hi Bernie, Thank you for the agenda. Will there be call in information for those of us not able to attend? Regards, Brad Bradley W. Taylor Chief Research Informatics Officer Medical College of Wisconsin Co-Director Biomedical Informatics Clinical and Translational Science Institute Site-PI PCORNet Greater Plains (GPC) CDRN e: btay...@mcw.edu p: 414-805-7307 From: Gpc-dev <gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu> on behalf of Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu> Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 at 9:04 AM To: "Kho, Abel" <abel@nm.org>, "Campbell, James R" <campb...@unmc.edu>, Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu> Cc: "gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu" <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Subject: RE: Next-D labs A draft agenda is attached, further changes should be small Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=DwIGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=UogPJ7VYoAeiC8NNwyY5AxLx8QgaRiMcicgAv7oi3tc=-aM6oBQMpaoJVsb3nNQ5C2Fw55Mu78eZuDHIII4iEXk=k8HyoyWXrpe4NZQIjgA-QjqtBs4pxIaoYf2zwLS4l8o= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=DwMFAg=aFamLAsxMIDYjNglYHTMV0iqFn3z4pVFYPQkjgspw4Y=PIPyLFB5dqgbzb4dCYF31A=kcJoHEtUwlxkakBMY5iwEMWOTWJ3jImbn27S8ulDa7I=4C7thsY4J7-YWg-H0JeSBZ7E6AJ1XASQ37NLUSSGz5c=> From: Kho, Abel [mailto:abel....@nm.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:56 AM To: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu> Cc: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu Subject: Re: Next-D labs Jim, Likewise and thanks for your insight. I agree with your annotated version (I did the same after our discussion and fortunately they match 1:1). Too bad about next week and we'll send out a draft agenda to you later today. We may have to update by f/u email with the call in number though as it gets closer to the date. Thanks, Abel From: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:48 AM To: Kho, Abel; Black, Bernard (NU); Cook, Lindsey (NU) Cc: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Subject: Next-D labs Abel It was a pleasure talking with you this morning. I enclose a spreadsheet summarizing what I think was our discussion on blood sugars and appropriate codes for Next-D. Please correct any misconceptions I might have included. I checked my schedule and I have teaching responsibilities next Tuesday. I would be happy to participate as much as possible by telecom if you think I might be helpful. Can you forward a detailed agenda for Tuesday so that I might plan my time? Jim The information in this e-mail may be privileged and confidential, intended only for the use of the addressee(s) above. Any unauthorized use or disclosure of this information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please delete it and immediately contact the sender. This message and any included attachments are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute proprietary or non-public information under international, federal, or state laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail. ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: Next-D labs
A draft agenda is attached, further changes should be small Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Kho, Abel [mailto:abel@nm.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:56 AM To: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu> Cc: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu Subject: Re: Next-D labs Jim, Likewise and thanks for your insight. I agree with your annotated version (I did the same after our discussion and fortunately they match 1:1). Too bad about next week and we'll send out a draft agenda to you later today. We may have to update by f/u email with the call in number though as it gets closer to the date. Thanks, Abel From: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu>> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2017 8:48 AM To: Kho, Abel; Black, Bernard (NU); Cook, Lindsey (NU) Cc: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Subject: Next-D labs Abel It was a pleasure talking with you this morning. I enclose a spreadsheet summarizing what I think was our discussion on blood sugars and appropriate codes for Next-D. Please correct any misconceptions I might have included. I checked my schedule and I have teaching responsibilities next Tuesday. I would be happy to participate as much as possible by telecom if you think I might be helpful. Can you forward a detailed agenda for Tuesday so that I might plan my time? Jim The information in this e-mail may be privileged and confidential, intended only for the use of the addressee(s) above. Any unauthorized use or disclosure of this information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please delete it and immediately contact the sender. This message and any included attachments are intended only for the addressee. The information contained in this message is confidential and may constitute proprietary or non-public information under international, federal, or state laws. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail. NEXT-D May 15-16 Meeting Agenda DRAFT_2017-05-02-cg.docx Description: NEXT-D May 15-16 Meeting Agenda DRAFT_2017-05-02-cg.docx ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)?
Dan: You have correctly identified the most current document, listing the particular variables we will obtain through geocoding. The best draft data table structure is in definitions Part2, which you also have found (per a later email) Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep’t Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 * -Original Message- From: GPC Informatics [mailto:d...@madmode.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:08 PM To: Dan Connelly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; furmanc...@icnanotox.org Cc: vanri...@umn.edu; Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu>; btay...@mcw.edu; ngra...@kumc.edu; bzscho...@kumc.edu; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; mei...@kumc.edu; meye0...@umn.edu; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? #544: how to convert ACS raw variables to CAP variables (e.g. type of health insurance)? --+--- Reporter: dconnolly | Owner: afurmanchuck Type: design-issue | Status: assigned Priority: minor | Milestone: next-d Component: data-stds | Resolution: Keywords:| Blocked By: Blocking:| --+--- Changes (by dconnolly): * cc: charon.gladfelter@… (added) Comment: I see "V. Geocoding: Protocol, Core Variables, Geographic Levels, Data Table Structure (Bernard Black)" on the agenda for the May 15-16 meeting. In dropbox, I see `Geocoding-ACS-overview-2017-04-25a-bb.xlsx`. I take it that's the most relevant document, though I see several others in that folder. If this is not the only current document, please let me know. Alona, if you have a sketch of the Data Table Structure, please share it. I see `draft_file_structure_NUgeocoding.xlsx` but it only relates places to attributes of those places; it doesn't show which patients go with which places. -- Ticket URL: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_544-23comment-3A5=DwIDaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=FkAezz2kTslxJX65aIyXnSpaiKp-sv9sxI3EQ-yiS58=PW65-rgrPN2E1zU6GHLJPZ53QXQiGKk40HBOitNQJHc= > gpc-informatics <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_=DwIDaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=FkAezz2kTslxJX65aIyXnSpaiKp-sv9sxI3EQ-yiS58=-1vruA2SjpSBzUD6lSJRt4LnvhLPIAlfqJ7E-5lg9E0= > Greater Plains Network - Informatics ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: next-d medications issues?
Dan: The May meeting will include a number of people who have not been closely involved with the project as of yet. We will have a discussion, and then we will see what issues emerge . . . We will circulate materials in advance of the meeting, but maybe a week in advance, not yet. We're not there yet. The "definitions", in their then current form, will be part of those materials. Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep't Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 * From: Dan Connelly Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 3:35 PM To: abel@nm.org Cc: Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org>; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu>; Mei Liu <mei...@kumc.edu>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu Subject: next-d medications issues? I see "v. Medications (Abel Kho)" on the next-d May 15-16 agenda. Are there issues to resolve? Are there some relevant materials to study? I made some changes to the relevant parts of the Oracle version of the SQL code, but I don't believe they're substantive; I don't believe they change the results (though they improve performance about 6x). (ref https://informatics.gpcnetwork.org/trac/Project/ticket/546#comment:13<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_546-23comment-3A13=DwMFAw=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=Fr9rmYHrVzv9axF0eJbDdKVFOIRmnX-4wKpzfpojMi0=t1lQSew1lcqwto-kAmYYj_g2sRcv4HEtO3opzTTtp1A=> Apr 5 esp. med_info.csv<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_dckc_nextd-2Dstudy-2Dsupport_blob_master_med-5Finfo.csv=DwMFAw=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=Fr9rmYHrVzv9axF0eJbDdKVFOIRmnX-4wKpzfpojMi0=TrCB7CvqUeelYUTcjbCW_t6K73HY-Nfcb0DA7Sx52oU=>) I hope Alona ports this change back to the SQL Server code, but I don't suppose that's critical. -- Dan ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: Overview of Data Requested - Next-D meeting prep
Dan: The “dating system” is to have the filename include most recent date and the initials of the person who last modified the file. We sometimes forget to update, however. So the files you found are the most current. If helpful, Alona call tell you (or I can) which of the definitions I have reviewed and which are as yet un-reviewed, and hence more likely to change in the near future. You can run compare documents in word to see what has changed, but frankly, for definitional part 2, which is under active revision, that may only produce a mess. Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep’t Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg: 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 * From: Dan Connelly Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 4:07 PM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu> Cc: Mei Liu <mei...@kumc.edu>; Charon Gladfelter <charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu; abel@nm.org; Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org> Subject: RE: Overview of Data Requested - Next-D meeting prep Perhaps Definitions_Part2-2017-04-19-bb.docx is actually current. Ugh... dropbox sort by Modified doesn't work as expected. It would be more convenient for me if we used Dropbox's built-in version control rather than having separate filenames for each revision. But I gather that's not convenient for folks that sync with their local filesystem and want to see all the versions. Oh well. Meanwhile... is there an edited change log? I could perhaps use MS Word to figure out what has changed, but I'm used to version control change messages that explain why things changed. https://github.com/dckc/nextd-study-support/commits/master<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_dckc_nextd-2Dstudy-2Dsupport_commits_master=DwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=N11J_4ms43eMCbUiKSKyx8fcMgiybJwbQVaBwLnidW4=_5bmK11EqzEiDSlIqqmZl0JVM4UCkCPK1c-tLgXv2g0=> -- Dan From: Dan Connolly Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2017 2:53 PM To: Bernard Black Cc: Mei Liu; charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu<mailto:charon.gladfel...@northwestern.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>; abel@nm.org<mailto:abel@nm.org>; Al'ona Furmanchuk Subject: Overview of Data Requested - Next-D meeting prep Dr. Black, In the NEXT-D In-Person Meeting draft agenda, I see: i.Overview of Data Requested (Bernie Black) Are there any materials to study in advance? In dropbox, I see: Definitions_Part1-2017-01-06-bb.docx (which bears 1/5/2017 at the top) Definitions_Part2-2017-03-23-AF.docx Are those the materials you plan to discuss? At a high level, have things changed substantively since Dec 20? The overview Alona and I gave in the Dec 20 gpc-dev meeting<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__listserv.kumc.edu_pipermail_gpc-2Ddev_2016q4_003463.html=DwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=N11J_4ms43eMCbUiKSKyx8fcMgiybJwbQVaBwLnidW4=rWVa1Xg4Gc0ou35HjS5w8xv2EluJ5FWYoZiJwY6hkSE=> was: a.DC and AF give an overview of NEXT-D_Request for Data_Detailed_12.1.16.docx<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_attachment_ticket_539_NEXT-2DD-5FRequest-2520for-2520Data-5FDetailed-5F12.1.16.docx=DwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=N11J_4ms43eMCbUiKSKyx8fcMgiybJwbQVaBwLnidW4=Yq1o_HHuLsvfq52wn6At00qzYT3nMZJ5MdZ8RrGhm04=><https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_raw-2Dattachment_ticket_539_NEXT-2DD-5FRequest-2520for-2520Data-5FDetailed-5F12.1.16.docx=DwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=N11J_4ms43eMCbUiKSKyx8fcMgiybJwbQVaBwLnidW4=M6Ykf8uWYHBbq4Oo__iaG_TOAk_XeWBOyBcQpVQTWpY=> (attached to #545<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_545=DwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=N11J_4ms43eMCbUiKSKyx8fcMgiybJwbQVaBwLnidW4=xWHQ2_mNQw_j_hg6cu13FVS8RjeixOVpD-iKDAg4pLk=>): there are two phases of data collection: i.Cohort definition 1.diabetes population 2.denominator or study population a.Denominator population is large: everyone with two visits
RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c
A comment on fasting versus random glucose test. In Northwestern EDW, 99.999% of glucose tests are recorded as random, whether or not the patient supposedly fasted overnight before the test. Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Dan Connelly Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 11:42 AM To: Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org>; <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: gkowal...@mcw.edu; Mei Liu <mei...@kumc.edu>; Taylor, Bradley <btay...@mcw.edu>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; Kho, Abel <a...@nm.org>; Osinski, Kristen <kosin...@mcw.edu> Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c I assume nearly everything is subject to change (hence careful use of version control). But meanwhile, I can make progress based on what I've got, so that's what I 'm doing. -- Dan From: Al'ona Furmanchuk [furmanc...@icnanotox.org] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 11:37 AM To: <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>> Cc: gkowal...@mcw.edu<mailto:gkowal...@mcw.edu>; Dan Connolly; Mei Liu; Taylor, Bradley; Bernard Black; Kho, Abel; Osinski, Kristen Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Please, disregard Apr. 4th document on labs for now. It turned to have errors due to wrong application of sorting command. Earlier next week we will provide corrected version. Apologies. On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:14 AM, GPC Informatics <d...@madmode.com<mailto:d...@madmode.com>> wrote: #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c --+ Reporter: afurmanchuck | Owner: gkowalski Type: design-issue | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: next-d Component: data-stds | Resolution: Keywords:| Blocked By: Blocking: 545 | --+ Comment (by dconnolly): George, I'm not surprised you get no results for fasting; I don't think I get any either. But babel shows 6777-7 is much used at MCW; that's in the list of codes for random glucose, yes? Do you not get any results there either? Meanwhile, note the work on `lab_review.csv` I haven't integrated it into the query yet; i.e. replaced the hard-coded list of LOINC codes with a join on a table built from `lab_review.csv`. Meanwhile, Dr. Kho is refining the lab spreadsheet. 5792-7 seems to be the most recorded glucose lab at MCW (based on c_totalnum from Babel). That row in Dr. Kho's Apr 4 spreadsheet says "No". I'm not sure why; he plans to include rationale in his next revision. 5792-7 is also not in the SQL code. For 6777-7, which is also much recorded, I see "allowable for now" and it is in the SQL code. -- Ticket URL: <http://informatics.gpcnetwork.org/trac/Project/ticket/551#comment:17<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_551-23comment-3A17=DwMF-g=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=EU6EJqbkLbTzD2PQ0lCK4E1MmxWravJtnw_k_JJzEa0=KJVE23NNSERL3Kfq9ZP-41iQ6ULcrqgRCs-q2X5mqmo=>> gpc-informatics <http://informatics.gpcnetwork.org/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_=DwMF-g=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=EU6EJqbkLbTzD2PQ0lCK4E1MmxWravJtnw_k_JJzEa0=L8HAYooR0HDpgjiiPtyQFiOKbD_VusmtWj_jN-kqGpA=>> Greater Plains Network - Informatics -- Al'ona Furmanchuk, Ph.D. Research Associate Center for Health Information Partnerships, Northwestern University, Feinberg School of Medicine 633 N. Saint Clair Street, 20th floor, Chicago, IL 60611 Web: http://furmanchuk.com/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__furmanchuk.com_=DwMF-g=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=EU6EJqbkLbTzD2PQ0lCK4E1MmxWravJtnw_k_JJzEa0=l0XTGijmBM80NkzgEsDKW5ajk37H5QgRXKgXdQo44XU=> E-mail: alona.furmanc...@northwestern.edu<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org> Phone: 312-503-34281 ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: [gpc-informatics] #545: Study sample and DM sample definition for next-d
We at Northwestern are still developing the definitions of which variables to capture, and exactly how. Once we propose a set of definitions, we will have a better sense of timeline. Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 -Original Message- From: GPC Informatics [mailto:d...@madmode.com] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 10:49 AM To: Dan Connelly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; mei...@kumc.edu; jmcc...@unmc.edu Cc: btay...@mcw.edu; ngra...@kumc.edu; bzscho...@kumc.edu; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu; mwennb...@kumc.edu; abel@nm.org; Lindsey Lynne Cook <lindsey.c...@northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #545: Study sample and DM sample definition for next-d #545: Study sample and DM sample definition for next-d --+ Reporter: dconnolly | Owner: meiliu Type: task | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: next-d Component: data-sharing | Resolution: Keywords:| Blocked By: 546, 551, 571 Blocking:| --+ Comment (by meiliu): Dan, Yes, I am aware of the timeline. Alona indicated in her March 8 message that it would be okay if one GPC site can provide the sample definition table by middle of April. I'll look into your code and try to get the desired table base off of KUMC data to Alona by middle of April. --Mei -- Ticket URL: <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_trac_Project_ticket_545-23comment-3A16=CwICaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=vSk3uDG625n-cJWg9IV9UqBwihtENBBNorAxioC_pqc=o4c70bcbEwIfhCEUn6sgNHZQY_-Za3bv0YXMwF9scrU= > gpc-informatics <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__informatics.gpcnetwork.org_=CwICaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=vSk3uDG625n-cJWg9IV9UqBwihtENBBNorAxioC_pqc=SyAs4Nvpwf0BL-AjjRYqjah7nsY_ibzcAeZwJcbgNz0= > Greater Plains Network - Informatics ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection
Mei: As I have suggested earlier in this thread, we need *some* date, and it doesn’t matter much which date. If, as now appears, what date that is varies across sites, it is *not* in my judgment worth the effort to use a date that is consistent across sites. The larger issue, which we are still gathering information on, is general date shifting. I am hoping that we will be able to converge on a plan, adapted from a suggestion earlier today by Philip Reader at UT Southwestern, in which we get from each GPC site *non-shifted dates, which are partly de-identified [turned from identifiable to “limited” or “research-identifiable”] by providing only year and month. That works for UT Southwestern, and from separate discussion, I believe that it should work for Indiana and Iowa. We may handle MCW separately since they only date shift by +/- 10 days to begin with. We will still have to confirm that this works for us on the receiving end (I’m checking on that). But that will be easier if we can tell our IRB that we’ve already worked this out with y’all. Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Mei Liu [mailto:mei...@kumc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 2:20 PM To: Al'ona Furmanchuk <alona.furmanc...@northwestern.edu>; Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu> Cc: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu; Stoddard, Alexander <astodd...@mcw.edu> Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection Importance: High So far based on the site replies, Nebraska and UTSW are using specimen_date as the start_date and KUMC and MCW are using result_date. I suggest that we first figure out the variability of this information at each site (simple question) before asking them to calculate the max difference (more complicated). If the max difference is calculated across all labs, the result won’t be representative for the labs required for Next-D, maybe even nonsensical due to work flow differences as Alex Stoddard mentioned. Based on my understanding, difference between lab order date and specimen taken date can be large in the outpatient setting because a patient may wait for quite a while before going to the lab. On the other hand, I suspect that the difference between specimen taken date and the result date won’t vary too much among patients because same facilities are used for result generation (if it takes 2 days to get a lab result, the same is likely to apply for all patients). With this said, if all the participating GPC sites uses either specimen or result date as the start date, would it significantly affect the Next-D cohort selection and analysis if no change is made? -- Mei From: Gpc-dev [mailto:gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu] On Behalf Of Al'ona Furmanchuk Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 1:00 PM To: Dan Connolly Cc: Bernard Black; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>; Stoddard, Alexander Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection When I asked for date difference I was asking about any lab type. Glucose labs are not in PCORNET model and have to be pull out from i2b2 separately. For A1c(which is in PCORNET model) I was assuming all sites have all 3 dates available. I was not aware situation is so bad. Lets discuss it in the next CAPRICORN/GPC meeting. On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>> wrote: I started looking at date differences... for similar reasons to the ones Alex gave, I thought a histogram was in order... I had assumed the specimen date and order date were in the same table as the result date. But I don't see them. I don't know where they are. My earlier 1 to 2 month estimate for revising HERON ETL was based on this assumption. I no longer have a clear design in my head, so multiply my estimate by 2x to 3x until I know more. -- Dan From: Gpc-dev [gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu>] on behalf of Stoddard, Alexander [astodd...@mcw.edu<mailto:astodd...@mcw.edu>] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 11:41 AM To: gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection I’ll return the Excel spreadsheet survey with info for MCW outside of the dev list. MCW uses RESULT_DATE for the i2b2 “START_DATE” for lab facts. START_DATE being a very poor name imposed by the
RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c
Philip: For this study, a few days between order date and specimen date is not a big deal. And not, in my judgment, worth significant effort on your end to switch to order date. But let's see what other GPC sites do before finalizing this. Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Phillip Reeder [mailto:phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:51 AM To: Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org>; Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu> Cc: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Switching the date would be a major burden and would not be doable here at UTSW. We previously used result date, but found a large number of older result dates were off by months. I believe it was due to some IT process,like an import or something, but it was significant. And when researchers would try to find a lab by result date, the date shown in the EMR was different making it hard to locate. With order date, in the outpatient setting, sometimes a doctor may order a lab and the patient may not have it done for days. With the PCORI CDM, we are currently only using have the specimen date, however we plan to add the other dates. Phillip From: Gpc-dev <gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu>> on behalf of Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 8:29 AM To: Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>> Cc: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>>, "<gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>>" <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Before we go toward changes, lets just see if we need to. I would appreciate if each site could fill up attached form and send back to me. I filled some sites based on this discussion. Please, check and correct if I got it wrong. Alona. On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 8:23 AM, Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>> wrote: Changes in HERON ETL from result date to order date or specimen date would take a month or two, depending on priorities. I suspect likewise at other sites. If that sort of delay is acceptable, then I can proceed to get all 8 sites to resolve this deference. On Jan 25, 2017 7:44 AM, Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> wrote: Let me chime in, as project PI. This was a very helpful discussion. For this study, exact dates are not important. If blood was drawn on Tuesday, and results available on Friday, If as I suspect (but we can check) generally order date, specimen date, and results date are all close, we can go with order date Bernie Black * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=CwMF-g=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=UogPJ7VYoAeiC8NNwyY5AxLx8QgaRiMcicgAv7oi3tc=G0LkGfEC85w96dIZeXWau0WJHC9ibomH3TPvn74zv_Q=hq1nXUYF5z3OBlGrhAn088g1ZRrBDfDPoVp_k305hbA=> From: Al'ona Furmanchuk [mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 7:31 AM To: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu>> Cc: Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu>>; <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Guys,
RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c
Dan: I suspect we will want to go this route. But first, let me untangle the “date shifting” question, I’m working on that one. I need to figure out that one, and then propose a solution that works both for GPC and for the Capricorn sites. Then hopefully we can address both at the same time. Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Dan Connolly [mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:24 AM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu> Cc: <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>; James R. Campbell, MD, FACP, FACMI <campb...@unmc.edu>; Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org> Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Changes in HERON ETL from result date to order date or specimen date would take a month or two, depending on priorities. I suspect likewise at other sites. If that sort of delay is acceptable, then I can proceed to get all 8 sites to resolve this deference. On Jan 25, 2017 7:44 AM, Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> wrote: Let me chime in, as project PI. This was a very helpful discussion. For this study, exact dates are not important. If blood was drawn on Tuesday, and results available on Friday, If as I suspect (but we can check) generally order date, specimen date, and results date are all close, we can go with order date Bernie Black * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=CwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=UogPJ7VYoAeiC8NNwyY5AxLx8QgaRiMcicgAv7oi3tc=cBFbqGsVFjMaA8Xlvw8fG6NReCVYD0sj40E8CU41mrg=Z8ZHMwKZx1domZrD9bKgQQKR99-uQydJDOBUMC2CCUA=> From: Al'ona Furmanchuk [mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 7:31 AM To: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu>> Cc: Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu>>; <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Guys, Order date is important for defining study sample and DM sample. specimen date is important for "adherence to Treatment" variable. If difference in dates is minor, we could uniformly switch to specimen date. But first we have to know what is available in each site and ( if both dates are available) how large is difference between dates? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu>> wrote: I agree with Phillip. Clinically, the date/time reported for a lab test is always when the patient had blood drawn or gave the sample. THAT is when the patient was 'tested'. Nebraska records all lab test observation_facts with START_DATE as date/time specimen was taken. We record order time and result reported time separately. Jim James R. Campbell MD campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu> Office: 402-559-7505 Secretary: 402-559-7299 Pager: 402-888-1230 On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>> wrote: Dan: It is important to be clear what each site use under "start_date". Especially for cases when ORDER_DATE is different from SPECIMEN_TAKEN_DATE. I appreciate, Dan if you could gather this info. It is important to be on the same terms when collecting data to the table 1. Phillip: I agree that having order, specimen and result dates is good practice. This is what we have here at NU as well. Alona. On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu>> wrote: I’d recommend
RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c
Dan and others: It seems useful to know which “date” each site uses. And the resulting paper(s) will read cleaner if we can obtain the same date from all or most of the GPC sites. Other than that, I doubt it will matter much which date we used. I can see advantages to the order date, and different advantages to the results date. But the differences are not large enough to justify keeping multiple dates. This is why I suggested using “order date” But if only some sites have order date, and all have “specimen date” or all have “results date”, we’ll be better off using a date that is common across sites. So we should find out – and Alona is trying to determine this – which sites use which dates. Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Dan Connolly [mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 8:15 AM To: Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org> Cc: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>; Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Why is the difference important? How does it affect the initial next-d cohort calculations? On Jan 24, 2017 6:06 PM, Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>> wrote: Dan: It is important to be clear what each site use under "start_date". Especially for cases when ORDER_DATE is different from SPECIMEN_TAKEN_DATE. I appreciate, Dan if you could gather this info. It is important to be on the same terms when collecting data to the table 1. Phillip: I agree that having order, specimen and result dates is good practice. This is what we have here at NU as well. Alona. On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu>> wrote: I’d recommend using the SPECIMEN_TAKEN_DATE/TIME for the start_date of a lab. I believe it is the more clinically correct time as the results of labs can sometimes take days to return. We use the specimen time, followed by the result time, I believe. For the PCORI CDM, I plan on putting all of the needed date/times, (specimen, order, and result) into a small XML block in the observation_blob column so that I can have all the times when I ETL the data to the CDM schema. Phillip From: Gpc-dev <gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu>> on behalf of Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:09 PM To: Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>>, "<gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>>" <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>> Cc: Bernard Black <bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu>> Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Reviewing the HERON ETL code, I see it does populate the i2b2 start_date for labs from Epic's result_time, which looks more like RESULT_DATE. I see that our code to build the PCORNet LAB_RESULT_CM.LAB_ORDER_DATE (PCORNetLoader_ora.sql#L1407<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_kumc-2Dbmi_i2p-2Dtransform_blob_cycle-5F2_Oracle_PCORNetLoader-5Fora.sql-23L1407=CwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=r-3hWL7GRVhUhyXY6FfVUluKJR3bYbrGXcwJilMRsew=15mzJs5mBXRjJaVBF517lyXrKZpf8T34ormHaKg3LFc=>) uses this start_date that came from result_time, so we're fudging things a bit there. The HERON ETL code is used at KUMC and was the basis of work at UTHSCSA and UNMC. If the difference between LAB_ORDER_DATE and RESULT_DATE is significant for Next-D, I can find out how the other participating GPC sites do start_date for labs. ref: * heron_load/epic_labs_transform.sql<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__informatics.kumc.edu_work_browser_heron-5Fload_epic-5Flabs-5Ftransform.sql=CwMGaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=r-3hWL7GRVhUhyXY6FfVUluKJR3bYbrGXcwJilMRsew=hPyeoTk1rxBs-KcUqIi63F2281dWVsMxm6MfqeIfCBQ=> -- Dan From: Al'ona Furmanchuk [furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 20
RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c
Let me chime in, as project PI. This was a very helpful discussion. For this study, exact dates are not important. If blood was drawn on Tuesday, and results available on Friday, If as I suspect (but we can check) generally order date, specimen date, and results date are all close, we can go with order date Bernie Black * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Al'ona Furmanchuk [mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 7:31 AM To: Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu> Cc: Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu>; <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Guys, Order date is important for defining study sample and DM sample. specimen date is important for "adherence to Treatment" variable. If difference in dates is minor, we could uniformly switch to specimen date. But first we have to know what is available in each site and ( if both dates are available) how large is difference between dates? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 24, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Campbell, James R <campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu>> wrote: I agree with Phillip. Clinically, the date/time reported for a lab test is always when the patient had blood drawn or gave the sample. THAT is when the patient was 'tested'. Nebraska records all lab test observation_facts with START_DATE as date/time specimen was taken. We record order time and result reported time separately. Jim James R. Campbell MD campb...@unmc.edu<mailto:campb...@unmc.edu> Office: 402-559-7505 Secretary: 402-559-7299 Pager: 402-888-1230 On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>> wrote: Dan: It is important to be clear what each site use under "start_date". Especially for cases when ORDER_DATE is different from SPECIMEN_TAKEN_DATE. I appreciate, Dan if you could gather this info. It is important to be on the same terms when collecting data to the table 1. Phillip: I agree that having order, specimen and result dates is good practice. This is what we have here at NU as well. Alona. On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 5:49 PM, Phillip Reeder <phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu<mailto:phillip.ree...@utsouthwestern.edu>> wrote: I’d recommend using the SPECIMEN_TAKEN_DATE/TIME for the start_date of a lab. I believe it is the more clinically correct time as the results of labs can sometimes take days to return. We use the specimen time, followed by the result time, I believe. For the PCORI CDM, I plan on putting all of the needed date/times, (specimen, order, and result) into a small XML block in the observation_blob column so that I can have all the times when I ETL the data to the CDM schema. Phillip From: Gpc-dev <gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev-boun...@listserv.kumc.edu>> on behalf of Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>> Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 5:09 PM To: Al'ona Furmanchuk <furmanc...@icnanotox.org<mailto:furmanc...@icnanotox.org>>, "<gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>>" <gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu>> Cc: Bernard Black <bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu>> Subject: RE: [gpc-informatics] #551: next-D labs for cohort selection: fasting glucose, HbA1c Reviewing the HERON ETL code, I see it does populate the i2b2 start_date for labs from Epic's result_time, which looks more like RESULT_DATE. I see that our code to build the PCORNet LAB_RESULT_CM.LAB_ORDER_DATE (PCORNetLoader_ora.sql#L1407<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_kumc-2Dbmi_i2p-2Dtransform_blob_cycle-5F2_Oracle_PCORNetLoader-5Fora.sql-23L1407=CwMFaQ=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=CqPxCu-EywA2wo4iO-6BFqfwPQ2roHdsnjQi7SSLgLE=yqG12qsoyrBif-jILwubW8btm4qM0DM258CMGa2kQBI=B7cCQmEWUNYYqTWtUNzSvO_w9AgOsBJBy3wEyxt_Bms=>) uses this start_date that came from result_time, so we're fudging things a bit there. The HERON ETL code is used at KUMC and was the basis of work at UTHSCSA and UNMC. If the difference between LAB_ORDER_DATE and RESULT_DATE is significant for Next-D, I can find out how the other participating GPC sites do start_date for lab
RE: Medicaid types
Marc: Thank you. So the short answer is no, we should not try to separate Medicaid FFS from Medicaid managed care. Oh well. Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas J. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep't Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 IPR: 2040 Sheridan Road, Evanston IL 60208 (my office: 2046 Sheridan) Kellogg: 2001 Sheridan Road, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; IPR: 847-491-8730; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Marc Brian Rosenman Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 2:17 PM To: Kho, Abel <abel@nm.org>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu Cc: Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu>; Laura Jarmila Rasmussen-Torvik <ljrtor...@northwestern.edu>; Theresa L. Walunas <t-walu...@northwestern.edu> Subject: Re: Medicaid types Hi all, Bernie's question (8:55 a.m. in the thread below) -- "Medicaid is sometimes capitated and sometime not. Is this information available from the Capricorn sites." -- may be divided into two questions: 1) What level of granularity and accuracy is available in the payor (and/or "financial class") fields in each CAPriCORN institution's source database (EHR or related repository)? 2) What level of granularity might each institution be willing to provide for our city-wide mapping project? In my experience, even the most granular values stored by an institution in its EHR/repository are not always clear-cut as to whether the patient's Medicaid coverage was capitated or not. Some records are clear-cut: e.g., "ILLINICARE HEALTH PLAN MEDICAID MCO" is Medicaid managed care. Some records are clear-cut as long as one knows the local environment well: e.g., "NEXTLEVEL HEALTH MCO" is Medicaid managed care even though it does not say the word "Medicaid." But some records have insurance labels that are vague (intentionally or unintentionally) as to capitation: e.g., "MEDICAID IL - STATUS PENDING." Also, values are sometimes truncated, etc. Also some Medicaid records, in my view, should be placed into a third category (an "other" category): e.g., "MEDICAID SPENDDOWN." Some health care institutions have financial/reimbursement offices and systems that may have more detailed information than the EHR/repository does about the insurance status for each encounter, but those separate systems (if not already being used in the ETL processes) would require substantial work (and local approvals) to access. thank you, marc ________ From: Kho, Abel <abel@nm.org<mailto:abel@nm.org>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:25 PM To: Bernard Black; Dan Connolly; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: Sparapani, Rodney; Marc Brian Rosenman; Laura Jarmila Rasmussen-Torvik; Theresa L. Walunas Subject: Re: Medicaid types I'm going to pull in Theresa who works most closely with Medicaid office in our group. From: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:24 PM To: Kho, Abel; Dan Connolly; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: Sparapani, Rodney; Rosenman, Marc (NU); Rasmussen-Torvik, Laura (NU) Subject: RE: Medicaid types Abel and Marc: March may be able to tell us for Northwestern, but what do we know about Medicaid in Illinois? In some states, Medicaid is all/essentially all capitated, in some it is mostly fee for service, in some states, there is more variance. What is known about Illinois Medicaid? Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=CwMFAw=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=6iGCNUxWN1otnhD8dl2Tsa4-b4Xql3efbfa6ed3bY3Y=v8CmeixW3DFjVZPz_nynJ2PnbE2mUa1PAeXcUMGSvlo=w43Vp-IBPID4Jt93MlroqwI-nXEdczDIHxCXmJHUrQ0=> From: Kho, Abel [mailto:abel@nm.org] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:27 AM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.
RE: Medicaid types
Theresa: Yes, just a rough sense of proportions in IL Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas J. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep't Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 IPR: 2040 Sheridan Road, Evanston IL 60208 (my office: 2046 Sheridan) Kellogg: 2001 Sheridan Road, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; IPR: 847-491-8730; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 From: Theresa L. Walunas Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 3:20 PM To: Kho, Abel <abel@nm.org>; Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>; Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu Cc: Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu>; Marc Brian Rosenman <marc.rosen...@northwestern.edu>; Laura Jarmila Rasmussen-Torvik <ljrtor...@northwestern.edu> Subject: RE: Medicaid types Are you just looking for a simple breakdown... e.g. 50% FFS, 25% MCO, 25% Other Variant? I might be able to help with that. Unlikely to be able to get to actual claims. From: Kho, Abel [mailto:abel@nm.org] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:25 PM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>>; Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu<mailto:rspar...@mcw.edu>>; Marc Brian Rosenman <marc.rosen...@northwestern.edu<mailto:marc.rosen...@northwestern.edu>>; Laura Jarmila Rasmussen-Torvik <ljrtor...@northwestern.edu<mailto:ljrtor...@northwestern.edu>>; Theresa L. Walunas <t-walu...@northwestern.edu<mailto:t-walu...@northwestern.edu>> Subject: Re: Medicaid types I'm going to pull in Theresa who works most closely with Medicaid office in our group. From: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 1:24 PM To: Kho, Abel; Dan Connolly; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: Sparapani, Rodney; Rosenman, Marc (NU); Rasmussen-Torvik, Laura (NU) Subject: RE: Medicaid types Abel and Marc: March may be able to tell us for Northwestern, but what do we know about Medicaid in Illinois? In some states, Medicaid is all/essentially all capitated, in some it is mostly fee for service, in some states, there is more variance. What is known about Illinois Medicaid? Bernie * Bernard S. Black Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker Law School and Kellogg School of Management 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 bbl...@northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@northwestern.edu> tel: law: 312-503-2784; Kellogg 847-491-5049; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ssrn.com_author-3D16042=CwMFAw=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws=9HAlVmZlyRdrrAtetkxEu4X6lYkOZnauxJjwxt0JqfU=DFBbbrww9bFX-nurMIaAb0igfX2ZnzOygHdU1RgAJPE=MxDo4VRgDIqpPmQAlnaWfFnZcT8Y6hRADQ8ug16za_8=> ******** From: Kho, Abel [mailto:abel@nm.org] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 10:27 AM To: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>>; Dan Connolly <dconno...@kumc.edu<mailto:dconno...@kumc.edu>>; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: Sparapani, Rodney <rspar...@mcw.edu<mailto:rspar...@mcw.edu>>; Marc Brian Rosenman <marc.rosen...@northwestern.edu<mailto:marc.rosen...@northwestern.edu>> Subject: Re: Medicaid types I don't know the answer to this but I suspect Marc may be able to know this based on the work he is doing now to get a handle on the diversity of insurance types. From: Bernard Black <bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu<mailto:bbl...@kellogg.northwestern.edu>> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 8:55 AM To: Dan Connolly; gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu<mailto:gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu> Cc: Sparapani, Rodney; Rosenman, Marc (NU); Kho, Abel Subject: Medicaid types Medicaid is sometimes capitated and sometime not. Is this information available from the GPC sites? It would be useful to have this, if knowable. Abel: Same question for the Capricorn sites. Capitated plans can be called "managed care", or "health maintenance organization (HMO)" and perhaps other names. Thank you, Bernie * Bernar
Medicaid types
Medicaid is sometimes capitated and sometime not. Is this information available from the GPC sites? It would be useful to have this, if knowable. Abel: Same question for the Capricorn sites. Capitated plans can be called "managed care", or "health maintenance organization (HMO)" and perhaps other names. Thank you, Bernie * Bernard S. Black bbl...@northwestern.edu Nicholas J. Chabraja Professor, Northwestern University Pritzker School of Law Institute for Policy Research Kellogg School of Management, Finance Dep't Law School: 375 East Chicago Ave., Chicago IL 60611 IPR: 2040 Sheridan Road, Evanston IL 60208 (my office: 2046 Sheridan) Kellogg: 2001 Sheridan Road, Evanston IL 60208 tel: law: 312-503-2784; IPR: 847-491-8730; cell: 847-807-9599 papers on SSRN at: http://ssrn.com/author=16042 ___ Gpc-dev mailing list Gpc-dev@listserv.kumc.edu http://listserv.kumc.edu/mailman/listinfo/gpc-dev
