Re: Graffito status

2007-01-10 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Christophe Lombart wrote:
> On 1/10/07, Torgeir Veimo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:16 +0100, Christophe Lombart wrote:
>>> So Please give us your point of view and we will take a decision after
>>> that.
>> I find it a bit diffuse what the project is all about. Is it a sandbox
>> of ideas or some sort of AppFuse for web publishing?
> 
> 
> 
> Well the main goal is the build a ECM plateform like Alfresco and many
> others (but with a clean license :-) )
> 
> Here is the architecture :
> http://incubator.apache.org/graffito/architecture.html
> Is it make sense for you ?
> 
I guess this has been discussed before, but I'm curious anyway :)

Wouldn't it simplify the architecture and reduce the work if Graffito
would be based on JCR only instead of supporting various store
implementations? I thought JCR can already handle this.

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Re: Graffito status

2007-01-10 Thread Christophe Lombart

On 1/10/07, Torgeir Veimo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:16 +0100, Christophe Lombart wrote:
>
> So Please give us your point of view and we will take a decision after
> that.

I find it a bit diffuse what the project is all about. Is it a sandbox
of ideas or some sort of AppFuse for web publishing?




Well the main goal is the build a ECM plateform like Alfresco and many
others (but with a clean license :-) )

Here is the architecture :
http://incubator.apache.org/graffito/architecture.html
Is it make sense for you ?


Re: Graffito status

2007-01-10 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 16:16 +0100, Christophe Lombart wrote:
> 
> So Please give us your point of view and we will take a decision after
> that.

I find it a bit diffuse what the project is all about. Is it a sandbox
of ideas or some sort of AppFuse for web publishing?

-- 
Torgeir Veimo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Re: Graffito status

2007-01-10 Thread Christophe Lombart

Thanks Jukka, this is the good time to think about that. Due to my daily
work, it is not possible to work on all Graffito aspects but I would like to
continue to work on smaller components like the OCM tools. I'm just
finishing my long vacations and now I'm ready to finalise the OCM doc.  When
this work is done, the JCR Mapping will be ready for its first release.

After a long incubation process, the Graffito community is not yet there and
the Graffito goal is too big for a couple of mans.
Personnally, I would like to :
1/ Move OCM tools into Jackrabbit.
2/ Depending on the feedback on this discussion : review the Graffito goals,
split the projects or retire the project. of course, without this kind of
feedback, we cannot take a decision.

We can also review the priorities.
1/ Build the first JCR Mapping version.
2/ Review and finalyse the persistence layer (add the JCR support, review
the security).
3/ Add new components (workflow, ...)
4/ Build applications (RSS, news management, forum, ...).

I think we made an error to build everything on the same time in order to
give a small demo the community. This is not good for this kind of project.

So Please give us your point of view and we will take a decision after that.


br,
Christophe





sorry for sounding stupid, but what this component do exactly?



Object Content Mapping (see on
http://incubator.apache.org/graffito/jcr-mapping/index.html)

Is the description of the architecture still accurate?


yes. The ocm tools can be used in a JCR Graffito plugin to access to a JCR
repo (not yet implemented).


http://incubator.apache.org/graffito/architecture.html


> but what about the rest of the
> project?
>



No activity for a long time



Should we do something to try building a more active community around
> the project?



How ?


Re: Graffito status

2007-01-10 Thread Michael Wechner

Jukka Zitting wrote:


Hi,

Pinging the mailing list for opinions on what to include in the
Graffito status report. I'm still interested in seeing the JCR mapping
component migrated to Jackrabbit,



sorry for sounding stupid, but what this component do exactly?

Is the description of the architecture still accurate?

http://incubator.apache.org/graffito/architecture.html


but what about the rest of the
project?

Should we do something to try building a more active community around
the project?



well, it seems to me that Graffito has some very nice approaches, but 
overall a lot of things seem to be unclear

or just half finished.

I would suggest to break out the specific components (or maybe even just 
one) and focuse on them and redefine Graffito as

this new focuse.

Just my 2 cents

Michi


The alternative would be to look at retiring the project.

BR,

Jukka Zitting




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Graffito status

2007-01-10 Thread Jukka Zitting

Hi,

Pinging the mailing list for opinions on what to include in the
Graffito status report. I'm still interested in seeing the JCR mapping
component migrated to Jackrabbit, but what about the rest of the
project?

Should we do something to try building a more active community around
the project? The alternative would be to look at retiring the project.

BR,

Jukka Zitting