Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
Hi Moritz, čt 12. 12. 2019 v 10:51 odesílatel Martin Landa napsal: > > - In the report, you write: "We spent several hours over the course of > > the sprint discussing different alternatives and finding a best way to > > implement the one we have chosen." I see that everything has been > > documented in detail on the relevant wiki page: > > https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#GRASSGISCommunitySprintPrague2019, > > but would it be possible summarize the general philosophy on the mailing > > list ? I think this is an important part of GRASS GIS and discussion > > should be larger. > > Sure, on the other hand we cannot discuss it forever :-) We have > prepared step-by-step roadmap, see [1]. No big revolution, just small > but important steps. Feel free to comment! to avoid confusion, we haven't decided anything critical, no paradigm change. Our goal was to prepare step-by-step roadmap in order to improve core GUI components: data-catalog and location wizard. An improved data catalog widget could be re-used by startup screen. Roadmap was designed with limited manpower in mind. The goal is to improve startup screen in realistic time (let's say for 7.10 release). Discussion about paradigm or other significant changes can go on in parallel (GRASS 8 release). I hope it's more clear now. Best regards, Martin -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
Hi Moritz, čt 12. 12. 2019 v 10:13 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: > requests to make that more apparent. Your actual "sprinting" costs are > <60€, or ? I had error in [1], the cost is 112.78 EUR. Martin [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CWvgUKRc2bUUUfQIFVFFMzk2R6JSOLVJj_WWfwKT13A/edit?usp=sharing -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
Dear all, čt 12. 12. 2019 v 9:33 odesílatel Martin Landa napsal: > If no objection we could start voting (in *different thread*). please vote in new thread [1]. Thanks, Martin [1] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-psc/2020-January/002100.html -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
Hi Moritz and all, Sorry for getting back to this late. I'm picking up where you and Martin left. On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:43 AM Moritz Lennert < mlenn...@club.worldonline.be> wrote: > On 12/12/19 10:51, Martin Landa wrote: > > Hi Moritz, > > > > čt 12. 12. 2019 v 10:13 odesílatel Moritz Lennert > > napsal: > >> - IIUC, most of the budget you are asking for is actually for > >> promotional material (stickers, magnets) that are only indirectly linked > >> to the code sprint, or ? I would therefore suggest to separate the two > > > > make sense to me. In reality you are suggesting two separated voting > > procedures, right? > > Well, don't know if we really need two voting procedures, or just one > vote combining the two expenses... > I guess it could be one email with two items and we would add -1/0/+1 to each of these, but the reason it is there is that the division is not clear: couple of the promotional items are for the people at the sprint, e.g. stickers for their laptops (small amount, but why order just few?) and rest for people to take with them from the sprint and give out later on (indirect, yes, but would not happen without the sprint). > > > > >> requests to make that more apparent. Your actual "sprinting" costs are > >> <60€, or ? > The above potentially applies to other events too. It just so happened here that the rest of the expenses are smaller than the promo part of the budget. I was just quickly going through budgets from the previous sprints to put something reasonable to the 2020 budget and sometimes the by far biggest expense is food, sometimes it is travel reimbursements. Generally, it seems we don't have a clear procedure of assigning the expenses to different budget items. Are travel grants part of sprint budget or are on top of it? Or should the actual sprint budget expenses be combined from budged for sprint, travel grants and promo? https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2019 https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_GIS_Budget_2020 > > > > Yes, only one dinner, two lunches + small food. > > No beer ??? ;-) > As everybody knows, beer is a part of a meal in Prague (today, it can be also non-alcoholic!). ;-) > > > >> - In the report, you write: "We spent several hours over the course of > >> the sprint discussing different alternatives and finding a best way to > >> implement the one we have chosen." I see that everything has been > >> documented in detail on the relevant wiki page: > >> > https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#GRASSGISCommunitySprintPrague2019 > , > >> but would it be possible summarize the general philosophy on the mailing > >> list ? I think this is an important part of GRASS GIS and discussion > >> should be larger. > > > > Sure, on the other hand we cannot discuss it forever :-) We have > > prepared step-by-step roadmap, see [1]. No big revolution, just small > > but important steps. Feel free to comment! > > > > Yes, I saw that (that's why I already included the same link ;-) ), but > it is very detailed and so I'm not sure I really understand the big > picture of the general philosophy you have decided. On the wiki page we > started out by discussing two general options: "Keep current paradigm, > but make contact easier" or "Change paradigm" (e.g. "Open into a > predefined lat-long location but give information message"). IIUC, your > roadmap follows the first option, or ? > > There's just too many trees for me to see the forest ;-) > I have added the result of our discussion as another "proposal" which should be a quick read. One of the reasons I wrote the detailed notes is that not only the discussion results are available, but the whole discussion leading to that decision is available too. https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#ProposalA3Prague2019:Datatreeandbigbuttons Best, Vaclav > Moritz > > > ___ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org > https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
On 12/12/19 10:51, Martin Landa wrote: Hi Moritz, čt 12. 12. 2019 v 10:13 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: - IIUC, most of the budget you are asking for is actually for promotional material (stickers, magnets) that are only indirectly linked to the code sprint, or ? I would therefore suggest to separate the two make sense to me. In reality you are suggesting two separated voting procedures, right? Well, don't know if we really need two voting procedures, or just one vote combining the two expenses... requests to make that more apparent. Your actual "sprinting" costs are <60€, or ? Yes, only one dinner, two lunches + small food. No beer ??? ;-) - In the report, you write: "We spent several hours over the course of the sprint discussing different alternatives and finding a best way to implement the one we have chosen." I see that everything has been documented in detail on the relevant wiki page: https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#GRASSGISCommunitySprintPrague2019, but would it be possible summarize the general philosophy on the mailing list ? I think this is an important part of GRASS GIS and discussion should be larger. Sure, on the other hand we cannot discuss it forever :-) We have prepared step-by-step roadmap, see [1]. No big revolution, just small but important steps. Feel free to comment! Yes, I saw that (that's why I already included the same link ;-) ), but it is very detailed and so I'm not sure I really understand the big picture of the general philosophy you have decided. On the wiki page we started out by discussing two general options: "Keep current paradigm, but make contact easier" or "Change paradigm" (e.g. "Open into a predefined lat-long location but give information message"). IIUC, your roadmap follows the first option, or ? There's just too many trees for me to see the forest ;-) Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
Hi, čt 12. 12. 2019 v 10:20 odesílatel Luca Delucchi napsal: > > P.S. Maybe we can also decide on a general policy of using > > nextcloud.osgeo.org, instead of gdrive ? > > > > yes, I fully support this! We could ask to the manager to create a > GRASS group and folder +1 Than I can upload all (almost) sprints (having on my gdrive). Ma -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
Hi Moritz, čt 12. 12. 2019 v 10:13 odesílatel Moritz Lennert napsal: > - IIUC, most of the budget you are asking for is actually for > promotional material (stickers, magnets) that are only indirectly linked > to the code sprint, or ? I would therefore suggest to separate the two make sense to me. In reality you are suggesting two separated voting procedures, right? > requests to make that more apparent. Your actual "sprinting" costs are > <60€, or ? Yes, only one dinner, two lunches + small food. > - In the report, you write: "We spent several hours over the course of > the sprint discussing different alternatives and finding a best way to > implement the one we have chosen." I see that everything has been > documented in detail on the relevant wiki page: > https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#GRASSGISCommunitySprintPrague2019, > but would it be possible summarize the general philosophy on the mailing > list ? I think this is an important part of GRASS GIS and discussion > should be larger. Sure, on the other hand we cannot discuss it forever :-) We have prepared step-by-step roadmap, see [1]. No big revolution, just small but important steps. Feel free to comment! Martin [1] https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#GRASSGISCommunitySprintPrague2019 -- Martin Landa http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/gwiki/Landa http://gismentors.cz/mentors/landa ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
On 12/12/19 10:30, Moritz Lennert wrote: On 12/12/19 10:19, Luca Delucchi wrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 10:14, Moritz Lennert wrote: P.S. Maybe we can also decide on a general policy of using nextcloud.osgeo.org, instead of gdrive ? yes, I fully support this! We could ask to the manager to create a GRASS group and folder They already exist, and there is a special GRASS PSC folder in which there is an ACCOUNTING folder... I have just created a folder for the accounting year 2019-2020 (linked to the OSGeo-EU accounting because our bank account is hosted by them) and uploaded the invoices from the Prague sprint. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
On 12/12/19 10:19, Luca Delucchi wrote: On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 10:14, Moritz Lennert wrote: P.S. Maybe we can also decide on a general policy of using nextcloud.osgeo.org, instead of gdrive ? yes, I fully support this! We could ask to the manager to create a GRASS group and folder They already exist, and there is a special GRASS PSC folder in which there is an ACCOUNTING folder... ;-) Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 10:14, Moritz Lennert wrote: > > P.S. Maybe we can also decide on a general policy of using > nextcloud.osgeo.org, instead of gdrive ? > yes, I fully support this! We could ask to the manager to create a GRASS group and folder > Moritz > -- ciao Luca www.lucadelu.org ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
Re: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS GIS Community Sprint Prague 2019 Expenses
P.S. Maybe we can also decide on a general policy of using nextcloud.osgeo.org, instead of gdrive ? Moritz On 12/12/19 10:10, Moritz Lennert wrote: Hi Martin ! On 12/12/19 09:33, Martin Landa wrote: Dear PSC, first of all I would like to thank to the all participants of recently organized community sprint in Prague [1]. We spent 5 nice days fulfilled by GRASS hacking:-) See related reports [2]. Based on that we collected all expenses [3]. The budget is relatively minimalistic since no travel/accommodation grants have been requested. In this regard I would like to ask GRASS PSC to cover all expenses [3; Reimbursements tab] (280.24 EUR in overall). Scanned bills [4]. If no objection we could start voting (in *different thread*). No objections on my side. Rather a big thank you for having organized this ! Two questions though, one concerning budget, the other concerning content: - IIUC, most of the budget you are asking for is actually for promotional material (stickers, magnets) that are only indirectly linked to the code sprint, or ? I would therefore suggest to separate the two requests to make that more apparent. Your actual "sprinting" costs are <60€, or ? - In the report, you write: "We spent several hours over the course of the sprint discussing different alternatives and finding a best way to implement the one we have chosen." I see that everything has been documented in detail on the relevant wiki page: https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup#GRASSGISCommunitySprintPrague2019, but would it be possible summarize the general philosophy on the mailing list ? I think this is an important part of GRASS GIS and discussion should be larger. Moritz ___ grass-psc mailing list grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc
