[groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
True confession: Brian Kernighan is my hero. (stories upon request) In this talk, starting at about 41:45, he talks about the history of creating the eqn, pic, grap "little languages". I offer it for those who might want a sense of how groff wound up where it is and why it survives. Interestingly, Brian repeatedly says "troff's time has past". For some of us, the response is "not for me". Computer Science - Brian Kernighan on successful language design https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4U4r_AgJU "How to succeed in language design without really trying." -- Mike Bianchi Foveal Systems 973 822-2085 mbian...@foveal.com http://www.AutoAuditorium.com http://www.FovealMounts.com
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
*> Interestingly, Brian repeatedly says "troff's time has past".* Oh? We'll see about that. =) On 5 May 2018 at 07:39, Mike Bianchi wrote: > True confession: Brian Kernighan is my hero. (stories upon request) > > In this talk, starting at about 41:45, he talks about the history of > creating > the eqn, pic, grap "little languages". > I offer it for those who might want a sense of how groff wound up where it > is > and why it survives. > > Interestingly, Brian repeatedly says "troff's time has past". > For some of us, the response is "not for me". > > Computer Science - Brian Kernighan on successful language design > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4U4r_AgJU > > "How to succeed in language design without really trying." > > -- > Mike Bianchi > Foveal Systems > > 973 822-2085 > > mbian...@foveal.com > http://www.AutoAuditorium.com > http://www.FovealMounts.com > >
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
Mike Bianchi wrote: |True confession: Brian Kernighan is my hero. (stories upon request) | |In this talk, starting at about 41:45, he talks about the history of \ |creating |the eqn, pic, grap "little languages". |I offer it for those who might want a sense of how groff wound up where \ |it is |and why it survives. | |Interestingly, Brian repeatedly says "troff's time has past". |For some of us, the response is "not for me". | | Computer Science - Brian Kernighan on successful language design | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4U4r_AgJU | | "How to succeed in language design without really trying." Thanks for that pointer. Interestingly he mispronounces TeX as Tech, and thus does not turn the editor slightly moist. :) Regarding myself, i collect and collect and collect, and will finally have been drowned.. or get out with some nice roff that i will use until i die (which hopefully lasts some time). Bernd Warken said 2025, and maybe he is right. I mean, maybe others jump in, too, people started knitting again after so and so many years were it has been completely uncool. --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
Hi Steffen, > Interestingly he mispronounces TeX as Tech So do I these days. Isn't that correct? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX#Pronunciation_and_spelling -- Cheers, Ralph. https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
I do too. Always have, and saying "Tecks" just sounds unnatural to me. =) > Isn't that correct? Yes, from the words of Knuth himself, I believe. In other words, I still refuse to humour Steve Wilhite by NOT pronouncing "GIF" as "Jiff". =) CompuServe can consider it payback for the patent scare. On 5 May 2018 at 08:29, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > Hi Steffen, > > > Interestingly he mispronounces TeX as Tech > > So do I these days. Isn't that correct? > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX#Pronunciation_and_spelling > > -- > Cheers, Ralph. > https://plus.google.com/+RalphCorderoy > >
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
> > Interestingly he mispronounces TeX as Tech > So do I these days. Isn't that correct? Depends how you pronounce "Tech". :-) If you pronounce it "tek" (as in "technology"), then it's wrong. According to Knuth, the "ch" is supposed to be pronounced as in the Scottish "loch". (If you don't know Scottish, then I guess the "j" in Spanish "ojo" would work as well.) (BTW, most Germans who use it also pronounce it wrong, namely as in "ich" instead of as in "Bach".)
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
> Computer Science - Brian Kernighan on successful language design > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4U4r_AgJU > "How to succeed in language design without really trying." Very interesting. It's somewhat amusing to see that already in 1961 (!) the proliferation of languages was considered a Babel. A significant point he mentions is that the language you use influences the way you think. (And he uses Comic Sans, the official typeface of groundbreaking science!!!)
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: |> Computer Science - Brian Kernighan on successful language design |> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg4U4r_AgJU |> "How to succeed in language design without really trying." | |Very interesting. It's somewhat amusing to see that already |in 1961 (!) the proliferation of languages was considered |a Babel. | |A significant point he mentions is that the language you use |influences the way you think. | |(And he uses Comic Sans, the official typeface of |groundbreaking science!!!) Yes, that also struck me right away! --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer,The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
On Sa 05 Mai 2018 at 01:15, Tadziu Hoffmann wrote: > (BTW, most Germans who use it also pronounce it wrong, > namely as in "ich" instead of as in "Bach".) What do you mean by that? The sound of the 'ch' is the same in both cases. 'Andreas ( a german native speaker :-) )
Re: [groff] Brian Kernighan on the evoution of eqn, pic, grap, into troff
On Sat, May 05, 2018 at 11:35:14AM +0200, Andreas Eder wrote: > On Sa 05 Mai 2018 at 01:15, Tadziu Hoffmann > wrote: > > (BTW, most Germans who use it also pronounce it wrong, > > namely as in "ich" instead of as in "Bach".) > > What do you mean by that? The sound of the 'ch' is the same in both > cases. It depends on the dialect, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_German_phonology#Ich-Laut_and_ach-Laut describes the difference in "standard German" - it's essentially about whether the sound is produced towards the front or back of the mouth. > 'Andreas ( a german native speaker :-) ) I don't know which dialect you speak; many southern dialects use [x] for both "ich" and "Bach", rather than [ç] for "ich" and [x] for "Bach". But as a native English speaker, I can certainly say that there are aspects of my own language's phonology that weren't obvious to me without a lot of attention that didn't come automatically! The Scottish "loch", and hence TeX per Knuth, is indeed pronounced with the [x] sound. (In fact, Irish and Scottish Gaelic both have a similar scheme for pronouncing "ch" as standard German does: if it's surrounded by front vowels, traditionally called "slender", then it's [ç], while if it's surrounded by back or "broad" vowels then it's [x]. I don't know whether the similarity to German is one of common evolution, borrowing, or just coincidence.) -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@debian.org]
