Re: GRUB Loading kernel... message
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 07:35:15PM -0400, Pavel Roskin wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 19:24 -0400, Isaac Dupree wrote: . Although, looking at the files, boot/i386/pc/boot.S outputs GRUB and boot/i386/pc/diskboot.S outputs Loading kernel, so the parts actually mean different things: maybe it's important that it prints GRUB first in case it never prints anything else? perhaps there are other possible code-paths? In any case, then maybe it should say GRUB Loading GRUB kernel, or, GRUB Loading itself :-) Considering that diskboot.img is limited to 512 bytes, But it currently fits, and we don't gain anything by saving space in that sector. -- Robert Millan GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB Loading kernel... message
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 07:24:56PM -0400, Isaac Dupree wrote: I thought I remembered somewhere a discussion how the message GRUB Loading kernel is confusing, because it doesn't say what kernel it's loading, and grub loads lots of kernels I think this is not accurate. GRUB loads payloads. It doesn't care if they're a standalone OS like invaders.elf or the kernel part of an OS that resides on disk/network/whatever. -- Robert Millan GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB Loading kernel... message
On Sun, Jul 06, 2008 at 08:33:03PM +0200, Robert Millan wrote: On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 07:35:15PM -0400, Pavel Roskin wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 19:24 -0400, Isaac Dupree wrote: . Although, looking at the files, boot/i386/pc/boot.S outputs GRUB and boot/i386/pc/diskboot.S outputs Loading kernel, so the parts actually mean different things: maybe it's important that it prints GRUB first in case it never prints anything else? perhaps there are other possible code-paths? In any case, then maybe it should say GRUB Loading GRUB kernel, or, GRUB Loading itself :-) Considering that diskboot.img is limited to 512 bytes, But it currently fits, and we don't gain anything by saving space in that sector. Anyway, GRUB loading sounds fine to me. -- Robert Millan GPLv2 I know my rights; I want my phone call! DRM What good is a phone call… if you are unable to speak? (as seen on /.) ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
GRUB Loading kernel... message
I thought I remembered somewhere a discussion how the message GRUB Loading kernel is confusing, because it doesn't say what kernel it's loading, and grub loads lots of kernels (this message means that the kernel is a core part of GRUB, and the subject GRUB the message mentions is different: it's some early loading code.) There is an argument that kernel does not mean the same thing as Linux kernel, which is quite right: that's why the message is not at all incorrect, just highly ambiguous. It seems like it should be Loading GRUB kernel . Although, looking at the files, boot/i386/pc/boot.S outputs GRUB and boot/i386/pc/diskboot.S outputs Loading kernel, so the parts actually mean different things: maybe it's important that it prints GRUB first in case it never prints anything else? perhaps there are other possible code-paths? In any case, then maybe it should say GRUB Loading GRUB kernel, or, GRUB Loading itself :-) to preserve the usefulness and increase the clarity. (Albeit, someone who doesn't know how GRUB works might be confused by how it can be loading itself: it's actually one part of GRUB loading a bigger part of GRUB. But we'll never be able to properly explain that to a nontechnical person :-) (Am I missing something, since this is my first time looking at GRUB code?) -Isaac ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB Loading kernel... message
On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 19:24 -0400, Isaac Dupree wrote: . Although, looking at the files, boot/i386/pc/boot.S outputs GRUB and boot/i386/pc/diskboot.S outputs Loading kernel, so the parts actually mean different things: maybe it's important that it prints GRUB first in case it never prints anything else? perhaps there are other possible code-paths? In any case, then maybe it should say GRUB Loading GRUB kernel, or, GRUB Loading itself :-) Considering that diskboot.img is limited to 512 bytes, I'd rather go with loading without kernel. The result would be GRUB loading, which would look better than your proposals. The saved bytes could be used for some good purpose eventually. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB Loading kernel... message
Pavel Roskin wrote: On Sat, 2008-07-05 at 19:24 -0400, Isaac Dupree wrote: . Although, looking at the files, boot/i386/pc/boot.S outputs GRUB and boot/i386/pc/diskboot.S outputs Loading kernel, so the parts actually mean different things: maybe it's important that it prints GRUB first in case it never prints anything else? perhaps there are other possible code-paths? In any case, then maybe it should say GRUB Loading GRUB kernel, or, GRUB Loading itself :-) Considering that diskboot.img is limited to 512 bytes, I'd rather go with loading without kernel. The result would be GRUB loading, which would look better than your proposals. The saved bytes could be used for some good purpose eventually. I like that wording: concise and clear (although maybe so concise that it gets hard for a user having a problem, to Google for it). By the way, currently the Loading seems to have the first letter capitalized (I don't care either way) -Isaac ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
