Re: GRUB2 - testing report, hppa support?
Vincent Pelletier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Le mardi 05 décembre 2006 20:46, Yoshinori K. Okuji a écrit : >> > Oh, btw, it's HIGHLY confusing that disks start at 0, partitions at >> > 1. Could you please fix it and make it consequently? either hd1,1 >> > or hd0,0, but not hd0,1 or hd1,0. >> >> No. It is consistent with most operating systems, so less confusing to the >> user. GRUB Legacy used 0-based counting for partitions, and I have received >> an uncountable number of complaints. Thus it is really a bad idea to make >> GRUB inconsistent against other systems. > > But by changing the numbering, we void both the learning effort of the > people "who knows" and the answering effort they spent with people "who don't > know". At least, that's my position regarding to the change. > > By changing it we might both face the complaints of the people - like me :) - > who think the two numberings are inconsistent and the people who would have > anyway complained about starting from 0, because disks are still numbered > from 0... We may also face complaints from the people who already complained > about starting from 0 - and eventually accepted it - and who will have to > learn again now... You can never make everyone happy. Whatever you propose, there will always be someone who disagrees. -- Marco ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB2 - testing report, hppa support?
Vincent Pelletier wrote: > Le mardi 05 décembre 2006 20:46, Yoshinori K. Okuji a écrit : > >>> Oh, btw, it's HIGHLY confusing that disks start at 0, partitions at >>> 1. Could you please fix it and make it consequently? either hd1,1 >>> or hd0,0, but not hd0,1 or hd1,0. >>> >> No. It is consistent with most operating systems, so less confusing to the >> user. GRUB Legacy used 0-based counting for partitions, and I have received >> an uncountable number of complaints. Thus it is really a bad idea to make >> GRUB inconsistent against other systems. >> > > But by changing the numbering, we void both the learning effort of the > people "who knows" and the answering effort they spent with people "who don't > know". At least, that's my position regarding to the change. > > By changing it we might both face the complaints of the people - like me :) - > who think the two numberings are inconsistent and the people who would have > anyway complained about starting from 0, because disks are still numbered > >from 0... We may also face complaints from the people who already complained > about starting from 0 - and eventually accepted it - and who will have to > learn again now... > > > > > ___ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel > An escape from this 'felt' inconsistency could be to index the drives with alphabetic characters instead. -Jan ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB2 - testing report, hppa support?
Le mardi 05 décembre 2006 20:46, Yoshinori K. Okuji a écrit : > > Oh, btw, it's HIGHLY confusing that disks start at 0, partitions at > > 1. Could you please fix it and make it consequently? either hd1,1 > > or hd0,0, but not hd0,1 or hd1,0. > > No. It is consistent with most operating systems, so less confusing to the > user. GRUB Legacy used 0-based counting for partitions, and I have received > an uncountable number of complaints. Thus it is really a bad idea to make > GRUB inconsistent against other systems. But by changing the numbering, we void both the learning effort of the people "who knows" and the answering effort they spent with people "who don't know". At least, that's my position regarding to the change. By changing it we might both face the complaints of the people - like me :) - who think the two numberings are inconsistent and the people who would have anyway complained about starting from 0, because disks are still numbered from 0... We may also face complaints from the people who already complained about starting from 0 - and eventually accepted it - and who will have to learn again now... -- Vincent Pelletier pgpn0Z55olpS8.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
Re: GRUB2 - testing report, hppa support?
On Monday 04 December 2006 15:45, Nico -telmich- Schottelius wrote: > The documentation is pretty bad and grub-install is half broken > (will perhaps fix it, when I've time). Any patch is welcome. > > grub-setup's --help is confusing, it does not tell the user that > the images will be changed. Huh? It says: Set up images to boot from DEVICE. If the images wouldn't change, what would you expect from grub-setup? > Serial console works at 38400 (others untested). > > Though, reprinting the screen / drawing characters is pretty slow, This part requires some optimization. I guess the current implementation of the menu interface is not very friendly to a serial terminal. > backspace does not work (using picocom). As far as I see the code, there is no reason that backspace doesn't work... So this might mean that your terminal sends an unsual escape sequence corresponding to backspace. > Oh, btw, it's HIGHLY confusing that disks start at 0, partitions at > 1. Could you please fix it and make it consequently? either hd1,1 > or hd0,0, but not hd0,1 or hd1,0. No. It is consistent with most operating systems, so less confusing to the user. GRUB Legacy used 0-based counting for partitions, and I have received an uncountable number of complaints. Thus it is really a bad idea to make GRUB inconsistent against other systems. > And I would be interested, whether there's some effort to port > grub2 to hppa? I don't like palo very much I must confess. Jeff did something, but I don't know the status. Thanks, Okuji ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
GRUB2 - testing report, hppa support?
Hello! I am testing grub2 on Soerkis net4801 (x86, geode, serial only, booting from flash). The documentation is pretty bad and grub-install is half broken (will perhaps fix it, when I've time). grub-setup's --help is confusing, it does not tell the user that the images will be changed. Serial console works at 38400 (others untested). Though, reprinting the screen / drawing characters is pretty slow, backspace does not work (using picocom). You can find my log at http://home.schottelius.org/~nico/linux/debug/grub2/grub2-zwerg Oh, btw, it's HIGHLY confusing that disks start at 0, partitions at 1. Could you please fix it and make it consequently? either hd1,1 or hd0,0, but not hd0,1 or hd1,0. And I would be interested, whether there's some effort to port grub2 to hppa? I don't like palo very much I must confess. Sincerly Nico -- ``...if there's one thing about Linux users, they're do-ers, not whiners.'' (A quotation of Andy Patrizio I completely agree with) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Grub-devel mailing list Grub-devel@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel
