Re: next steps for touch support in GTK+
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: > > === 3. SpinButton === > [ ... ] > > Another option is introducing a complete new widget targeted at touch > usage (similar to the one in iOS Garageband) [4] which Carlos implemented > already [5]. The issue is here the height, which at least in a Sugar > toolbar could be not as ideal and introducing a new widget. > votes++. The spin button in gtk3 has already been bastardized from its original mouse/kbd/space-friendly form. add TouchSpinButton or something and leave the old one alone. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: next steps for touch support in GTK+
> === 4. Which GTK+ widgets break with touch === > The SpinButton item from above is one example of those. I really hope the solution is neither "remove anything that doesn't work with touch" or "parallel widget hierarchy". GtkSwitch bugs me. It really should just have been a styling of the toggle button since it performs the same function with a different look. But no, it is currently a totally separate widget not even derived from GtkButton. M. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: GTK+ meetup at Guadec
On Thu, 2012-08-02 at 07:21 +0200, Olav Vitters wrote: > Convince chpe that it is ok to have his comments indexed and I'll gladly > have Bugzilla indexed. Sorry, don't know what the context of that is (though if it's about privacy it sounds rather soft given that, robots.txt or not, the comments are out there on a public site). I was told a few years back that Bugzilla couldn't handle the load resulting from search engine traffic, and that was why robots were told to go away. If that's still a technical problem then, well, there are ways to work around that issue. If it's actually a policy question, then I think GNOME would be better off not attempting to hide its bug tracker from search engines. Surely people have an understanding that comments on public forums are publicly visible and liable to be indexed? And if not, we should add that warning as a disclaimer to the comment form. AfC Sydney ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
next steps for touch support in GTK+
Hi, there have been several discussions around GTK+ touch support during GUADEC. To get a good touch experience we talked about the following points. I ordered them by priority that we set in Sugar development for them. If you come across something that we missed, please comment. === 1. Text selection === A lot of work has been going into text selection and manipulation those days from the design and implementation point of view. The current design ideas can be seen at [1]. Carlos created universally usable handles (implemented using GtkWindows) to adjust the selection and wrote the code to use them in GtkEntry and the GtkTreeView in this branch [2]. The idea is to make those available as well for external widgets, e.g. in Abiword or WebKitGTK. We discussed as well how the Edit Palette should look like and agreed loosely on using GtkWindows instead of an Overlay for this to handle cases like resizing windows for example. Something to check is if we want to allow to adjust the selection in moving the right handle over the left one. Both iOS and Android do block that and snap to the minimum selection when releasing the finger which seems a good interaction model and limits complexity and edge cases. Another thing to make sure is that we do not use fixed positions in regards to Wayland. === 2. OSK - Slide canvas vertically to keep insertion point visible === Carlos has been working on this already. He will send a mail with more info about it. To get more background about the issue itself a whitepaper is available at [3]. === 3. SpinButton === We had several discussions around the SpinButton. One thing that came up is why we do not want to reuse the existing one. One option is to put the '<' on the left side (this could be done by a property for example). When the SpinButton was redesigned they put the < and > close together to not interfere with other widgets at the left side. Having something like "[button] < | 3| >" might not be as clear. That at last was the reasoning for putting the stepper buttons next to each other. In touch the interaction gets a bit fiddly having the buttons next to each other that is why we propose that configuration option. We would keep the entry widget, on touch you can use the OSK to set a value, or you can set it to be non-editable. Furthermore you can accept a vertical swipe to alter the value, implementing this would be a perfect use case for EventControllers. Another option is introducing a complete new widget targeted at touch usage (similar to the one in iOS Garageband) [4] which Carlos implemented already [5]. The issue is here the height, which at least in a Sugar toolbar could be not as ideal and introducing a new widget. === 4. Which GTK+ widgets break with touch === The SpinButton item from above is one example of those. Another one was the Combobox which has been fixed by Carlos and landed in master [6]. I will have a look if I come across more. Feel free to add if you are aware of more blockers. === 5. Widget Gestures (e.g. swipe, pinch) === The desired implementation is to use EventControllers for that. The work has currently stagnated on that end. In Sugar we could implement this at our toolkit level but an upstream solution would be desired at least longer term. === 6. OSK widget context provider (e.g. search vs open vs go...) === Matthias said there was a patch floating around for that. I looked in the bugs with patches attached in bugzilla but could not find it. If someone knows where it is would be great. Regards, Simon [1] https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/Selections [2] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?h=touch-text-selection [3] https://wiki.maliit.org/images/a/a7/Technical-overview-widget-relocation.pdf (from https://wiki.maliit.org/Documentation#Technical_documentation) [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Ios_spinbutton.JPG [5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678108 [6] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678113 ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
