Re: GTK internals
Claudio Saavedra wrote: http://le-hacker.org/papers/gobject/ch03.html This is already included in http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gobject/chapter-signal.html . Greetings, Felix signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
I'm sorry, can't help with website
Hi there, I volunteered for the website earlier this year, but I have to refrain from this undertaking. I'm too busy. I didn't do anything useful, but I don't want you to think that might change. Cheers for Martyn Russell for the great proposal you did earlier! Felix signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Automake requirements for gtk+, glib
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Geoff Buchan wrote: I'm not familiar with the details of automake, but I infer it must have had some incompatible changes somewhere between 1.7 and 1.9. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automake - last paragraph before Contents. It's only a problem if you want to build project X which requires v1.7 and project Y which requires a newer version - then you either need to keep multiple automake versions, or you have to reinstall automake to build one of the projects. Keeping multiple automake versions installed is widespread practice. Greetings, Felix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGeW/blW86h1QHmOcRAsC4AJ9y8gfe9EQ7k+2Xx49fywbFtYMW9gCfSjpL Jowo9ISSuN4+GrK7egG1L1I= =4po5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
[Fwd: Re: gtk website draft]
---BeginMessage--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: A good static layout is better than too-clever-by-half auto-detection, I think... I think subtleness is the key. Ok, the rest is just elaboration - if you think you got the idea, safely ignore it :) Have the page look the same, but maybe have the download link read Download (Linux x86) or Download (Win32) or whatever - it's the same on first sight, but the difference remains visible. Two notes: - - Provide a generic download link, too, to let people download for a different platform. This should be an obvious idea. The idea that doesn't seem obvious at some pages though is that this should not be much harder than clicking the auto-detected link. - - The (Linux x86) should only be subtly different from (Win32). Keep this information at normal font size or slightly smaller even as it is not primary information (the Download is). Greetings, Felix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXfwflW86h1QHmOcRAqJMAJ4xFaYtFpcT9okZYAt60qXJwjXtpgCfcXuM /j0p3HfYyf/tm8cvQYaJ1HY= =Y01N -END PGP SIGNATURE- ---End Message--- ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: gtk website draft
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martyn Russell wrote: Colin Walters wrote: If they're a Windows user, GTK+ is almost certainly *not* installed, and they would be interested in installing it. Having an official Windows development installation process is important. I would make sure it's on the main page. You could do the browser detection trick to display separate content for these people, like what the Firefox page and lots of others do. I did actually post about this idea to the list, but no one has actually replied about it yet. Mostly I made the point about the Windows and Mac building/development part, since we get a lot of questions about that on the lists. I actually think those questions are indirect replies to your post :o) Colin made a good point here. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXf0olW86h1QHmOcRAuSTAJ95FZ0xEpI9rKJ22Pc5UQWkquN/lQCg4BRM y8qVAukZjOIdIrAFydYyMNg= =H21o -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: GTK+ Website Review
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Martyn, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi, Over the last few weeks, I have spent time putting together the new website for gtk.org. I decided it would be easier to start from scratch reusing the original content. I have put the new pages up here for review: http://www.imendio.com/~martyn/gtk/ The content is my primary interest, but if you have style queries or comments they are also welcome. Great work! This is the way to go, it looks great generally. Thanks too for the clean HTML source. Now come the bad news :) I will purely comment on style here. So, at first sight, the page looked a bit empty. It was just a feeling of something is missing. I think the Inkscape website had it, but http://winehq.org/ still has it - a screenshot on the front page, something representative besides just a logo. I think another source of that feeling comes from the text color - just use black please. Make it as easy on the eyes as possible, so black is *the* color for normal paragraphs. Also, the WineHQ page (at least the main page) has a reddish color theme. Maybe use (GTK logo) colors for headings? Something like dark (!) green for description pages (Overview, Features, About), blue for downloadable stuff (Download, Screenshots), and red for in-depth / development pages (Development). I would put the FAQ in the last category, but I'm not too sure. I feel the coloring of the documentation page should be more unified - there is red in the heading, and the icons are blue-ish and green. Also, the view and download icons don't match well in their style. And maybe add some space vertically between the table rows (GLib / GObject / Pango / ...) to not have it be one overwhelming block. I wonder where the GTK logo proposal went? I think it would fit quite well in this design. Now, I won't make my language exams in June now (but in September), so I have time left sooner for helping out here. I'm a bit busy with other things, but I can lend a hand still. Greetings, Felix PS: I'm new to message-signing. I don't normally see people sign their messages. Is it bad etiquette to use them on mailing lists? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW1P6lW86h1QHmOcRAt8cAKCxp4jkylM+urLU9WHPJ/2DJv3pSwCeLMP4 o+Dn+ti/SHD1lFbrmH32ueU= =L1df -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: GTK+ Website Review
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martyn Russell wrote: Cody Russell wrote: On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 19:15 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: * What are people's thoughts on the initial look and feel? It looks great, except for the FAQ. Can it be styled similarly to the rest of the site and include the navigation bar at the top? I agree. I did look into frames, etc to get around this, but that causes more problems than it solves. The main problem here is that the FAQ is generated, so we would need some post-docbook fix up script to do something here. It is not insurmountable, adding just the line to use the CSS formatting makes quite a difference. The other option, was to have the FAQ only on the website and not have an SGML document - it really depends on how necessary it is to be able to create the FAQ in PDF, HTML, and other formats with the docbook tools. If possible I would rather it was just online. The FAQ is in SGML, right? What about converting it to proper XML (DocBook if you like), then write a custom XSLT stylesheet for it? (I would volunteer.) Felix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW2J5lW86h1QHmOcRArs5AKDBtWBFIifUaXow3h8mCnHmw5f/dACgm7oy RYjbYYU31T1aAhZRauzni7c= =cY1O -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: GTK+ Website Review
Hi, If the headers prevent text to be black, I think headers should look different :) - Maybe use underlines (width=100%)? You might experiment with putting the h2 text into the h1 -- which should be there... why did you put the text next to the logo into the image file too? -- so it reads GTK+ Overview / GTK+ FAQ / About GTK+ (!) - and use the same for title (it's almost there). Then use h2 instead of h3 for all other headings. I say experiment because I can't think of a website that integrates their project name with the page name that much (or I didn't notice). Martyn Russell wrote: I wonder where the GTK logo proposal went? I think it would fit quite well in this design. Actually Andreas was doing some work there. I was sent a few ideas and they looked good, but nothing further so far. I might have another proposal based on the first one from Christophe ready in a short while. Greetings, Felix ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Logo (was Re: GTK+ Website Review)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here is my take at the GTK+ logo. It is just a proposal, since it needs some optimization for icon sizes (I think). Remember that the original was from Christophe Dehais: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-devel-list/2007-April/msg00118.html Felix Rabe (public) wrote: Martyn Russell wrote: I wonder where the GTK logo proposal went? I think it would fit quite well in this design. Actually Andreas was doing some work there. I was sent a few ideas and they looked good, but nothing further so far. I might have another proposal based on the first one from Christophe ready in a short while. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGW2ZqlW86h1QHmOcRAkLfAJ9HZaSstUmgBrr0M79jLmd7n8LsDQCfcvJD bwtItrcu+rAqk+qKKOyAibk= =3HZv -END PGP SIGNATURE- inline: gtk-logo.svg___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
GTK+ on Mac OS X
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Martyn (+ GTK list), I know you're probably not the one to ask this, but maybe someone at Imendio knows, so I keep this short. I program a lot using (Py)GTK, and the one thing worrying me most right now is its support for Mac OS X. I don't get much info about its status from the developer.imendio.com pages. Do you have any hints on the activities around it? Are there people working on it (is it going somewhere) or not? Is it more at an early stage, or are the remaining issues fixable within (let's say) months by one or two developers? Background: I'm a student (Theology, not CS) and won't be able to work on it (and also I don't know anyone who could) - it's mostly curiosity. (Still interested in gtk-web though :) ) Greetings, Felix -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGVu9IlW86h1QHmOcRAoXWAKCRkPlZLULvA98n/6BraF7p3t+9CgCgnyJR 6ewHdacxtbZhymuqLBuRR5o= =UAlV -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: GTK+ on Mac OS X
Richard Hult wrote: Felix Rabe (public) skrev: I program a lot using (Py)GTK, and the one thing worrying me most right now is its support for Mac OS X. ... It is moving along pretty nicely currently, there are a couple of bigger issues that need sorting out (most notably popups with grabs), but it's getting there. Hi, Great to hear! Keep up your great work! Felix ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: How to generate python bindings correctly - for a GObject based system?
Hi, मयंक जैन (makuchaku) wrote: I'm trying to write a python wrapper for my GObject derived system I think the PyGTK mailing list is a better place to ask this, since this list here is about the development of GTK+ (not applications, but the library) and related things. See http://www.pygtk.org/feedback.html . Greetings, - Felix ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Alfa 1 of Win32 Binaries
Hello! (Sorry, I get that Shift-Ctrl-R thing wrong each time.) Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hello, finally, I've released a .zip/.tar.bz2[0] with a build of Gtk+ 2.10 and all its dependencies ... Just to say: Thank you for doing this work! I'm not involved in a job right now that would depend on it (I do a lot of pygtk programming privately on Ubuntu, heavily using unicode - it has to do with Ancient Greek to give a hint), but for the future I'm very interested in anything that makes pygtk easier to deploy on Win32. Not that it's the best thing I have in mind - funny is that even at my college (withouth my knowledge!) the only computer there was changed from Win32 to Ubuntu(/Win32) for safety reasons. (Took me about three hours to get an admin account using grub though - which I instantly communicated with the real admin of course :o) ) Sorry for the rant and keep up the good work! - Felix ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Small clarification (was: Re: Alfa 1 of Win32 Binaries)
Not that it's the best thing I have in mind - funny is that even at my college (withouth my knowledge!) the only computer there ... The only *student* desktop computer I meant, the offices aren't using typewriters either ;o) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Possible volunteer for website
Hi, ( Sorry Martyn for sending that message twice - do you have a hint how to tell Thunderbird to reply to gtk-devel-list, or do you change To: manually every time you reply to the list? ) Martyn Russell wrote: I have used both and I think it is obvious from just using it, let alone the administrative advantages/disadvantages. I also think that Mikael outlined exactly why Drupal would be the best choice for gtk.org. I'll give my comments where I can and/but accept the final decision. I currently use Cheetah [2] for a total website revamp [3, 4] and like its simplicity and Python integration. I am not sure we really need that with gtk.org at this point. At the moment it is a clear case (x)html/css update of the site and general clean up. As I know XHTML and CSS, I guess my starting point would be to check out gtk-web, have a look at it and come back into the migration discussion, as currently I'm just not qualified to give any comment, but I'm sure to be able to lend a hand. Also, after speaking with Tim further, we have decided to progress with the site update without a CMS for the time being since we don't have the hardware for it and the wait is likely to be several months. I use Cheetah to generate static pages and think that performance should not be wasted on dynamic generation where avoidable. As a sidenote, I learned to use Rsync a short while ago thanks to the great advice on the textdrive.com help pages - it solves many of the hassles I had earlier with website uploads and backups. My home directory contains .rsync-exec-usb-hd.sh and similar scripts, together with .rsync-filter-*.txt files. Well, but I better have a look at existing GTK web practices before making tons of that sort of comments :) Greetings, Felix Rabe ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Possible volunteer for website
Hi, I've read the recent thread on the subject and would be interested in helping out with the website. I can't dedicate much time to it before end of June though. I already sent short private notes to Tim Janik and Martyn Russell. Short intro (safely skip this paragraph): I mostly program Python nowadays when not studying Theology, but know (X)HTML and CSS and more that might help the website work. I'm 22 with programming experience since 8. I generally prefer text-based formats and choose them over WYSIWYG equivalents anytime, unless the latter really helps me get the job done quicker. I also like simplicity in UI and web design - that's maybe why I use GNOME. I have not looked at many web CMS yet. I worked with Wordpress lately and was not comfortable. I'm also worried about PHP's bad security publicity here and there. I used PHP earlier, at the time version 4 came out, and forgot most of it. I wonder why the Ubuntu website was migrated [1] to Drupal as opposed to Plone and am looking forward to the author's follow-up article. I currently use Cheetah [2] for a total website revamp [3, 4] and like its simplicity and Python integration. Greetings, Felix Rabe ( www.felixrabe.net ) [1] http://www.bearfruit.org/blog/2007/03/14/the-new-ubuntu-website/ [2] http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/ [3] http://www.wohnheim-obstgarten.ch/ (what I'm starting from) [4] http://felixrabe.textdriven.com/whog/Release+1/html/ (WIP) ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
