Re: Menu groups vs. use of separators
Hi, On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 03:26 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: I've been looking at how Rhythmbox allows plugins to manipulate menus (via UI manager magic), and it dawned on me that there is no way to separate these out visually, other than to attempt to guess whether there should be a separator placed above and/or below what you're trying to insert. Of course, what I really want GTK to do is to insert separators *between* groups of menu items. Having this kind of ability would greatly simplify much goofy logic that is currently in place in a lot of applications to decide where separators should be placed. You can already do that using GtkUIManager. Your application should add placeholders for the groups that you described. Then add separators between the placeholders. Plug-ins can then register in the placeholder items. The smart separators will only be shown when needed. Sven ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Menu groups vs. use of separators
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 08:15 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 03:26 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: I've been looking at how Rhythmbox allows plugins to manipulate menus (via UI manager magic), and it dawned on me that there is no way to separate these out visually, other than to attempt to guess whether there should be a separator placed above and/or below what you're trying to insert. Of course, what I really want GTK to do is to insert separators *between* groups of menu items. Having this kind of ability would greatly simplify much goofy logic that is currently in place in a lot of applications to decide where separators should be placed. You can already do that using GtkUIManager. Your application should add placeholders for the groups that you described. Then add separators between the placeholders. Plug-ins can then register in the placeholder items. The smart separators will only be shown when needed. OK, but I need to know how many groups are needed here in advance. I'm not sure this solves the problem, because when I go to programatically add another group to the end of the list I have to decide whether there is a separator already at the end or not. -- Alex Jones http://alex.weej.com/ ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Menu groups vs. use of separators
On 6/14/07, Alex Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 08:15 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: Hi, On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 03:26 +0100, Alex Jones wrote: I've been looking at how Rhythmbox allows plugins to manipulate menus (via UI manager magic), and it dawned on me that there is no way to separate these out visually, other than to attempt to guess whether there should be a separator placed above and/or below what you're trying to insert. Of course, what I really want GTK to do is to insert separators *between* groups of menu items. Having this kind of ability would greatly simplify much goofy logic that is currently in place in a lot of applications to decide where separators should be placed. You can already do that using GtkUIManager. Your application should add placeholders for the groups that you described. Then add separators between the placeholders. Plug-ins can then register in the placeholder items. The smart separators will only be shown when needed. OK, but I need to know how many groups are needed here in advance. I'm not sure this solves the problem, because when I go to programatically add another group to the end of the list I have to decide whether there is a separator already at the end or not. -- That is the bit that smart separators save you from. They hide when they end up next to the edge of the menu or next to another separator. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Menu groups vs. use of separators
Hi list I've been looking at how Rhythmbox allows plugins to manipulate menus (via UI manager magic), and it dawned on me that there is no way to separate these out visually, other than to attempt to guess whether there should be a separator placed above and/or below what you're trying to insert. Of course, what I really want GTK to do is to insert separators *between* groups of menu items. Having this kind of ability would greatly simplify much goofy logic that is currently in place in a lot of applications to decide where separators should be placed. I think it would make more sense for menus to implement groups (and hence separation) in a similar fashion to submenus, and deprecate the use of separators. The implementation could even be implemented *as* submenus, but with a flag set on the parent (e.g. flatten) to tell GTK whether to display it as a single menu with separators between child menus. We could take advantage of the inherent label a group (which is really just a submenu) would have and incorporate it into the UI, or we could hide it. Either way, it's probably useful for a11y. Here's an example for Ephy's Bookmarks menu File Edit View Go Bookmarks (flatten=true, labels_visible=false) Bookmark Management Add Bookmark... Edit Bookmarks Topics Topic 1 Bookmark Bookmark Topic 2 Bookmark Bookmark Uncategorised Bookmark Bookmark Tools Tabs Help Sometimes separators are used very heavily, and implementation by submenus might be tedious. Perhaps some API could help. If I'm not clear somewhere, feel free to bounce back an email and I'll try to clear it up. Thoughts? -- Alex Jones http://alex.weej.com/ ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
