Re: www.gtk.org now updated but no news!
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: Hi Shawn, For now, we're using a temporary solution for gtk.org and the twitter/identica script which Devin provided. Ideally, we would upgrade the server's php version to 5.2 and enable the json apache module if possible. The JSON Apache module is not needed; PHP's JSON functions are built-in to version 5.2 and above. -- Regards, Devin Samarin eboyj...@gmail.com ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: www.gtk.org now updated but no news!
Everyone, It looks like all the committed changes are being updated fine. Except the changes on the features page were editing code that was not visible. They were editing the code for the old features slider instead of the current page (which is hidden in a PHP if-statement). I have removed the old features slider and moved the changes over. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651834 On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 03/06/11 20:40, Devin Samarin wrote: I have hopefully fixed this problem (I can't test with older versions of PHP, but I have tested the new function by itself, and in theory it will work.) Patch is located here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651807 I also cleaned up some code used during development of the website. Thank you for the patches Devin, however, at the moment, it seems the last few commits from me and Javier Jardón have not yet made it through to the website. I suspect there is something larger going wrong here and I don't have access to the server to fix it. Shawn, any chance you can assist here? -- Regards, Martyn -- Regards, Devin Samarin eboyj...@gmail.com ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: www.gtk.org now updated but no news!
I have hopefully fixed this problem (I can't test with older versions of PHP, but I have tested the new function by itself, and in theory it will work.) Patch is located here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651807 I also cleaned up some code used during development of the website. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
Pong... Sorry I haven't checked my e-mails in a while On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 21/01/11 11:21, Martyn Russell wrote: On 31/08/10 09:22, Devin Samarin wrote: Oh sorry I didn't e-mail you directly. I moved it to http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8081/ to solve some directory issues. Hi Devin, Is your site down again? Yes unfortunately.. the computer that is hosting it is being fixed right now. I have backups but I don't have anywhere to host atm I wanted to do some testing before we do the switch over, which is likely at the end of this month IIRC inline with the GTK+ 3.x release. Ping? -- Regards, Martyn -- Regards, Devin Samarin eboyj...@gmail.com ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: Could your current work on the site be put into a branch under the gtk-web module to make the transition easier when 3.0 lands? -- Regards, Martyn I don't have git access to the site but I had already made a script that packages everything up into a nice .zip file. Maybe someone else could take the zip and create a branch with it? Although if I find any bugs it would be harder for me to fix. -- Regards, Devin Samarin eboyj...@gmail.com +1 (702) 518-3269 ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: On 09/07/2010 04:18 PM, Martyn Russell wrote: On 09/08/10 22:54, Devin Samarin wrote: I posted this on Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626380) and I was recommended by Martyn to post the details here. Hi Devin, I know there isn't much activity on the review here any more, but actually, I have been thinking. If people are happy with the work, perhaps it makes sense to schedule the move over to the new website to co-inside with the release GTK+ 3.0? This is supposed to be towards the end of this year. Any comments on the matter? I think that sounds like a great idea! - Andreas Yeah I agree it is a good idea; a fresh new toolkit needs a fresh new website! Plus if there are any new features that may be worth letting people know, there's time to fix it before it's released. Also links like GTK+ 3 documentation and tutorials (for example subclassing the new GTKWidget with gtk_widget_draw()) should be added and I don't think anyone has written those yet. -- Devin Samarin eboyj...@gmail.com GTK+ is made with a11y in mind, along with i18n and l10n. It offers i14y with every major platform, so v12n is not needed. Its architecture makes it easy to use p13n, however it is not known for its d11n. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
Oh sorry I didn't e-mail you directly. I moved it to http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8081/ to solve some directory issues. On 8/31/10, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 27/08/10 11:05, Devin Samarin wrote: 2010/8/27 Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com: On 27/08/10 01:53, Devin Samarin wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 21/08/10 12:12, Devin Samarin wrote: I finished the re-design of the GTK-Doc area: http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/gtk-doc/ Hmm, is the site down? Doesn't seem to be available at the moment: http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/ -- Regards, Martyn ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
Okay there's kind of a problem :/ The Ethernet cord that connected the server to the router is damaged since my friend sort of yanked it too hard when he tripped over it! :/ So until I get a new cord the website won't be working and I won't have the opportunity to get a new one for a while... Maybe I can e-mail the files for it to someone as a zip? Sorry guys, Devin ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
2010/8/27 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: On 27/08/10 01:53, Devin Samarin wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:22 AM, Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 21/08/10 12:12, Devin Samarin wrote: I finished the re-design of the GTK-Doc area: http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/gtk-doc/ The title still says the GTK+ project and there is no gtkdoc title that remains on all pages. The current site changes the title too, but keeps the icon of course, so you know it is still related to GTK+. Right, I was planning on having that changed to say GTK-Doc The menu is something I expected to be next to the current menu too Isn't that what I had before when I first updated the GTK-Doc site? It was a subnavigation block that was grey, but people said they didn't like it because the page was being embedded. I think it would be best to have either a global navigation like it is now or now having none at all (similar to the current gtk-doc site--having only navigation links that have to do with gtk-doc specifically) I made it usable for mobile devices and people with smaller screens Actually, this is not really what I had in mind for smaller devices, a lot of websites have a /mobile implementation which is less horizontally challenging ;) What's horizontally challenging about it? For handset devices and when the width of the browser window is less then 650 pixels, every part of the document flows, as there is no width set on any of the elements. The sidebar collapses into a normal section of the page. At this point just the title image and the menu. You have done a really good job with the rest I must say ;) The title image already gets turned into text when the window is too small. Maybe you can post a screenshot since I don't have that problem here. Or try Shift+F5 to reload without using the cache? And well thank you I am flattered :) The red for me is nice, but a bit too bright, unlike the blue which is a soft blue. If you compare the old red we used, it is slightly darker. Fixed. The red is now the same color now... But you have to append ?red to the url to see it :P - The text under headings like Where can I use it? on the main page are all indented for some reason and it really shouldn't be. It looks out of place to me. I am gonna leave it, because the indentation greatly increases readability. This *REALLY* bugs me :) No where else do we do this on the entire site and it makes no sense to have the text indented when it is already paragraphed and highlighted by a heading above it. It just wastes space IMO. Okay well it's not my personal web site :) Fixed. I can live with not indenting that much more than making the headers red :P - The Platforms page for Success Stories should really have MeeGo in there I think. Okay I think we should probably wait until it is released first, since MeeGo is meant to replace Maemo and if we remove Maemo, then we can't mention the popular N900. The unstable tarballs should have their own heading really. Since they are still *real* releases, unlike using GIT which is really a last resort for most people just wanting to use GTK+. Okay I changed it but it is what you were looking for? Thanks for the work put in here, I am a hard customer to please :P It's no biggie :) And haha I've noticed :P Devin ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
I moved the URL from http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/ to http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8081/ It should work (I hope so!) Devin ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:52 AM, Mike Massonnet mmasson...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, It looks too weird, like a built-in website into another. I don't believe it is supposed to be something like that. Instead of using the sort-of banner to link to other pages like news, put them inside a grey div block just like the one inthe documentation page, then it might look less fake-integrated. And keep the documentation link at the top of the page in the black banner in bold. Well the GTK-Doc site is kind of a site-within-a-site... I was thinking the GTK-Doc site would have it's own navigation since it is meant to be a standalone project page. GTK-Doc is supposed to be separate from the GTK project. Right now on gtk.org, the GTK-Doc site has a different header image, so I thought they should be separated. The grey div blocks are meant (to me) to be either for sidebars or for bringing attention to the text within it e.g. on the features page, so I made a subnavigation box for links having to do with GTK-Doc. I kinda still think it is good the way it is... But I fixed the navigation links so at least one is bold-ed on each page. I made it usable for mobile devices and people with smaller screens (why not?) --you can try it by resizing the browser window's width smaller and smaller in a popular non-ie browser. Very nice! Although the screenshot in the features page is overlapping on the second column. Fixed the issue. Now when the page is resized too small, it switches to the same layout at the current gtk.org pages, or else it is the new two-column layout. Also a special layout for when printing the pages. (Firefox's print is buggy though no matter what I do) It works fine with chrome when i print a test page (to a file). However it is not using the full width of the page[1]. [1] http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6223/gtkorgtestprintpage.jpg Oh wow I see that when I do it too... Thanks I'll look into it. Firefox's use the full width of the page. Maybe it's a zoom setting in Chrome somewhere that is making it do that. I'll see if I can fix it. Here are my personal remarks: - the banner... I liked more space between the logo and the text; and I liked another font better, this one has small curves around r and h. I agree. I'll fix it when I can since I am using Windows to design the header (gasp!) :) - the grey background needs a change, either a vertical gradient from white to grey, or keep the monotone colour but lighter/close to white. Okay sounds good. I do want to cut down on loading time so I put a lighter color there. I'll fix the banner corners soon. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Stefan Kost enso...@hora-obscura.de wrote: The only page left--in my opinion--that needs polishing is the features page I feel the look is not consistent. E.g. in the features page you use the gray boxes with round corners, but in the other pages you do sometimes or not at all. That is because the features (and the commerce/success stories) page is meant to stand out. It is supposed to attract people to each of the boxes to see what GTK+ can do. The other pages use a sidebar for text that is meant to be for quick information that is relevant to the page. Devin ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
I thought I'd give up update of what the site is looking like now, and I hope everyone is fine with using this mailing list. I have integrated tweets from identi.ca in the News Feed on the main page. I finished the re-design of the GTK-Doc area: http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/gtk-doc/ I made it usable for mobile devices and people with smaller screens (why not?) --you can try it by resizing the browser window's width smaller and smaller in a popular non-ie browser. Also a special layout for when printing the pages. (Firefox's print is buggy though no matter what I do) The only page left--in my opinion--that needs polishing is the features page. I really hope to see the changes merged on the current gtk.org site anytime soon. :-) Devin ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 4:22 AM, Andreas Nilsson nisses.m...@home.se wrote: On 08/12/2010 10:50 AM, Martyn Russell wrote: On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 14:54 -0700, Devin Samarin wrote: I was browsing around gtk.org and I thought that it could use some adjustments. So I downloaded the web files with git and made some changes. I attached some screenshots and example file on Bugzilla (the design changed a little since then), but if my computer is up, you can see it at http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/ . Thank you so much for working on this! Looks like a great step forward for the website. Maybe you want a different font size in the sidebar headers to give it a sense of hierarchy. Sure it's no problem at all :) It's also good to learn a little about designing cross-browser website because I usually just told people who used IE6 to upgrade to a modern browser. :P And as for the headers, I made them smaller. Thanks for the nit-picking, to me it's the details that count. Could we come up with something more fun and interesting to use as a header than What is GTK+? Something that can grab people and lead them into reading the text. Okay I tried spicing up the entire section, but I'm sure the wording is a little awkward in a few places and it's not perfect yet.. Input is appreciated On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: - Are the pages XHTML validated? The current side is and I would like to try and keep it that way. Same goes for the CSS. All the pages now pass XHTML 1.0 Strict validation, but the CSS is invalid *only* because of the -moz-*, -webkit-*, and border-radius properties... I hope that is not a problem ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
2010/8/12 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 15:28 +0200, Javier Jardón wrote: 2010/8/12 Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com: I like some of the proposed changes here. There are some other things that I think need changing (which were there before) such as the NEWS on the main page. It just doesn't get updated enough. I'd suggest to use the identi.ca [1] / twitter [2] acount for more up-to date info. Maybe in a separate section in the main page? BTW, Thanks for your work on this Devin. [1] http://identi.ca/gtktoolkit/ [2] http://twitter.com/GTKtoolkit I think these are excellent ideas. This is exactly what we need I would say. Devin, this is precisely what should be in the grey box in the top right, the last 10 tweets for example. People can then see what is current at least. Okay I used the Twitter API to access the news feed with a custom php class. I also have it cached in a file called 'micronews.cache.json' (for 12 hours), so it's very speedy. At the bottom of the News Feed section, I put links to follow the GTK+ project on Twitter and identi.ca so people can follow on whichever account they have. The reason I used the Twitter api was because 1) I'm more familiar with it, and 2) I noticed all identi.ca posts were being mirrored on Twitter's account along with other post which were not. However I noticed there is a ton of space on the home page now, so we either have to limit the number of posts to view to about 3, or add more content on the home page. Maybe screenshots? I'm not sure. ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: I like some of the proposed changes here. There are some other things that I think need changing (which were there before) such as the NEWS on the main page. It just doesn't get updated enough. Cool, I'm glad that you like it. :) The news on the front page is actually mirroring anything that is posted on http://blogs.gnome.org/gtk/ so if someone posts a message there, it will be included automatically on the main page. I didn't mention, but on the documentation page, some of the links are old and broken, so I removed the broken ones. If no one else here has any problems with the link you provided, we can just go ahead and make the changes after I have done a more thorough review. Okay, I have included links at the bottom so you can go ahead and take a look at the source code. Thanks again for doing this work! My pleasure! :) Devin ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
Re: Website proposal for usability
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: So my comments: 1. I don't think the What is GTK+ on the main page should be a snippet on the top right corner. I think it should be _the_ main point of the main page. Most people coming to the page aren't visiting it for news, they are likely going to download or get more information about GTK+. The news there I think can be cropped a bit more or kept below. 2. Presumably the box at the bottom right of the page for Source/CSS/etc is just there during this review? I quite liked the feedback page and wondered if that was useful for people not subscribed to the mailing list? Yeah the box is just there temporarily during the review, and the feedback page is also temporary so anyone can comment on the design and I would be able to see them.. I forgot that the mailing list was used for that heh 3. I think the Features page is superb. I especially like the images in there. However, I would reorder this a bit so the important things are more visible first. Like the foundations above mobile perhaps Good idea... Done. a) the indentation on the icons for Windows/Linux/etc looks too far, might just be the icon width there. Done. I left just a little bit of space. b) the mobile section should list N900 Done. 4. The Downloads page feels the wrong way round to me. I always prefer more content on the left side where there are multiple columns - must be my OCD kicking in ;) can we switch these around? I had it the other way before I just changed it :P Swapped. I don't know if it looks good either way, maybe I'll just remove the columns? a) the icons again look overly indented. That's because it used the same class from the features page. Done. b) the shadow on the git commands don't look good hear, I would prefer it was the way we had it before to be honest. As it currently looks it feels like I need new glasses :P Haha ok. I made it look like it was before, except the text is just a little bigger. 5. The Screenshots page has an odd number of images, I would prefer this to look like a grid, so we should either remove the Windows image at the bottom or find 2 more to go beside it. Right now it's not layed-out like a grid, so in some browsers you see four in a row... I'll fix that later so I make sure that it will work in all browsers. 6. The Development page table about maintainers should really loose the indentation I feel. Some of these sort of indentations seem somewhat superfluous when using a second column or the floating text on the right with the grey background. I also struggle to identify what should and shouldn't be in this grey floating box and what shouldn't. In my mind these positions are usually for quick, non-important details, Comments? Indentation fixed. And yes I think any quick get-to-the-point details should be listed here. I didn't really go through to identify each one (I just placed in information that didn't take up a lot of space). The real reason why I introduced columns and sidebars was so that it was easier to find what you were looking for. On the current website, the content is too narrow and it takes a lot of scrolling. If there are columns, I feel that it's easier to find the information you need. 7. The Success Stories page has a heading More Applications which should really be under all the grey boxes. The Maemo and GNOME paragraphs should line up too IMO (vertically). Arguably Maemo should be changed to MeeGo everywhere. Okay I made the More applications box into a 'bubble', but I've left the name of it as a header. What do you think? They aren't lining up because the GNOME logo is taller than the Maemo logo... Fixed. 8. The OverView page has the same indentation issue with the icons. And the columns look a lot closer than say the Downloads page, this again triggers my OCD :) Well they are actually exactly the same :P... It probably looks like that because the text is crammed together... I added space to the list of libraries, but I don't know if it really helped. Maybe I can put that into a sidebar bubble? 9. General comments about the design: a) I think the space before the top heading box should be reduced, it wastes space but I think we should have something there, a few pixels perhaps. I agree. Done. b) I don't really prefer the new logo/text to the old one. The icon is too small and the text looks better as a raised+shadow text IMO. I see what you're doing there with the height to make the space more useful, but I think the icon would look better the height of the text and left/right of it. Or perhaps even behind the text as some sort of transparent image? Not sure. It just feels left wanting. Okay, I was trying to be a little creative with that but I'll try other ways like the way you mentioned. I agree with Alberto that the name of the toolkit is not obvious enough. I'll change it. c) The border widths around the page were
Website proposal for usability
I posted this on Bugzilla (https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626380) and I was recommended by Martyn to post the details here. I was browsing around gtk.org and I thought that it could use some adjustments. So I downloaded the web files with git and made some changes. I attached some screenshots and example file on Bugzilla (the design changed a little since then), but if my computer is up, you can see it at http://eboyjr.homelinux.org:8080/gtk/ . I made the width of the content area wider and added either columns or a sidebar for pages that needed it. Having columns makes it easier to read by making it so that you don't have to scroll for everything. For styling, I added some rounded corners with CSS for some of the elements. For all of the pages, I made the HTML more semantic by removing replacing some of the tables with ul's. I changed the color of the headers to the shade of blue. For the features page, I separated each section into blocks and added some pictures to spice it up. For the commerce (success stories) page, I did the same thing so that it is easier to read, and looks nicer. I made a template.php file which has the outer content of the HTML pages, so as a consequence, the pages' extension is changed from .html to .php. I think it's better so that for some changes, you wont need to edit every single page of the site. So with this design, some external links might need to be updated unless PHP can be run with the .html extension. Since it uses PHP, I made it easy to update changes to the tables. Specifically the language bindings page. There is a PHP array that stores all the information about the bindings and then formats it into a table automatically. I attached that file so you can see it. I have tested it so far in: * Internet Explorer 6, 7, 8 Everything works except the rounded corners, except for the header which is a single image so that works. Personally I don't think rounded corners are necessary, but if you think I should hack them in I'll do it * Firefox 2 Everything is messed up. This is because I am using HTML5 elements... I made the CSS not specific to tag names, so changing article to div class=whatever would make it work fine. This also means that in IE, JavaScript must be enabled. I thought I'd try something new but HTML5 just causes pains. So I'll change them to divs. * Firefox 2 and 3 on Windows and Firefox 3 on Linux * Safari 3 and 4 on Mac * Google Chrome 3 and 5(beta) on Windows The design is not complete and still requires changes to be compatible with all browsers, but once it's done I really think it would make gtk.org much more usable. I am open to any suggestions. Devin Samarin eboyj...@gmail.com ___ gtk-devel-list mailing list gtk-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-devel-list
