Re: Is there anyone out there?
Cowley Harris wrote: I'm just pointing out that the sourceforge site has a ghost-town feel to it. And as it turns up first on a google search, it could be off-putting to people who may be migrating from Perl-Tk who are evaluating the alternatives. I think as I have new eyes I'm going to see the stuff you may be oblivious too. I'm just an occasional user and initially I had many of the same reactions you did. But the group has been very helpful and now I've climbed at least part way up the learning curve. Now you're subscribed to the list you'll soon see the effort that is put into maintenance and enhancements. As well as the gtk-perl documentation, you will need to become familiar with the C documentation, because a lot of the perl docs don't repeat info that is already in the C docs. Start with the doc links at http://www.gtk.org/. Also very helpful is the Python documentation, e.g. http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/ which is more extensive and generally fairly easy to understand in a perl context. I'm also offering to help out with the documentation as per the Intro. If there are broken links on the sourceforge site, I'm sure patches would be welcome, or any other improvements you can suggest. Cheers, Dave ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
Cowley Harris wrote: 1) Is this project still going? Doesn't seem to be much (any) emails coming through on the mailing list. That strikes me as a rather odd observation. A quick look at the mailing list archives ( http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-perl-list/ ) shows a steady stream of messages every month. When I tried to review the archives I got a 404 error. I used the link from the Documents page, not the one on the FAQs page. Oh, dear --- looks like markmail changed the link format. http://perl.markmail.org/search/#query:list%3Aorg.gnome.gtk-perl-list is what you want, i'll get that updated when i get home this evening. Thanks for pointing that out. I understand that that it is volunteer based project and in a stable state, but I've just recently invested a lot of time learning what turned out to be a dead project and would rather not do the same again. At the same time I wanted to start learning the API and migrating to Gtk2 as soon as possible. I think a difference between Tk and Gtk2 is that Gtk2 is based on a modern and active upstream, while Tk is long stable and, well, kinda ugly by comparison. For some examples, there doesn't seem to be any recent tutorials (latest I found with a date was 2006). The main English version for Gtk2-perl is half completed and is still in alpha. The search the list archives link 404s on me. (The one on the documentation page, not the one I just found on the FAQ page). On the main page, the most recent news leads to svn, while at svn.gnome.org you have the message All content on this site is obsolete. You have to admit, the gnome project's switch to git is practically on the heels of their switch to subversion. It took us an embarrassingly long time to get away from sourceforge cvs. I'm just pointing out that the sourceforge site has a ghost-town feel to it. And as it turns up first on a google search, it could be off-putting to people who may be migrating from Perl-Tk who are evaluating the alternatives. I think as I have new eyes I'm going to see the stuff you may be oblivious too. I think you're right, honestly. We should knock down the cobwebs. Please report any broken links here. I'm also offering to help out with the documentation as per the Intro. Excellent. Patches here. Start anywhere you like. -- muppet scott at asofyet dot org ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
On May 14, 2009, at 5:49 PM, muppet wrote: Cowley Harris wrote: When I tried to review the archives I got a 404 error. I used the link from the Documents page, not the one on the FAQs page. Oh, dear --- looks like markmail changed the link format. Stranger -- it looks like the file somehow got corrupted, with the ht in http for that link changing to some strange non-ascii junk. At any rate, it's fixed, now. -- The Master in the art of living makes little distinction between his work and his play, his labor and his leisure, his mind and his body, his education and his recreation, his love and his religion. He hardly knows which is which. He simply pursues his vision of excellence in whatever he does, leaving others to decide whether he is working or playing. To him he is always doing both. -- Zen Philosophy ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Cowley Harris warewo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, A few things, 1) Is this project still going? Doesn't seem to be much (any) emails coming through on the mailing list. The list is not too verbose, but it is alive. I'm migrating from Perl-Tk because it seems like a dying project. If this project is in a similar state could somebody please turn off the lights so others like myself don't end up wasting time working through the tutorials, 2) If the Gtk2-perl project still has some life in it, what work is ongoing for the tutorial? It seems to stop half-way through it. I've emailed the two guys listed a few days ago, one email seems defunct, the other is yet to reply. The tutorial is based on the C version that is about 6-7 years old. If I'm not mistaken the C tutorial is not too far developed neither. But other alternatives are available! Perlmonks has a lot of examples using Gtk2. CPAN has a lot of modules and some programs using Gtk2. A lot of CPAN bundles come with examples, Gtk2 also does. Some of us hang in the IRC channel. 3)If work is still ongoing on the tutorial, is there a date for an update?, If not, does anybody mind if I continue where the others left off? Who would I contact to send an updated version? 4)The last notice said that the project has been switch to svn. However svn has been depreciated on sourceforge. Is there a plan to change to git? The project is hosted in gnome's git repository. -- Emmanuel Rodriguez ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 14:39 +0200, Cowley Harris wrote: Hi all, A few things, 1) Is this project still going? Doesn't seem to be much (any) emails coming through on the mailing list. That strikes me as a rather odd observation. A quick look at the mailing list archives ( http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gtk-perl-list/ ) shows a steady stream of messages every month. Not only is there steady traffic, there are questions being asked and answered by a healthy mix of new-comers and old-hands. I've long held this mailing list to be an excellent example of an open source community in action. There are a few key people who really set the tone nicely. I'm migrating from Perl-Tk because it seems like a dying project. If this project is in a similar state could somebody please turn off the lights so others like myself don't end up wasting time working through the tutorials, A couple of resources that you might find useful include: * the examples directory in the Perl-Gtk2 distribution * the Gtk2-Perl Study Guide http://forgeftp.novell.com/gtk2-perl-study/homepage/ Cheers Grant ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, Cowley Harris warewo...@gmail.com wrote: From: Cowley Harris warewo...@gmail.com Subject: Is there anyone out there? To: gtk-perl-list@gnome.org Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:39 AM Hi all, A few things, 1) Is this project still going? Doesn't seem to be much (any) emails coming through on the mailing list. I'm migrating from Perl-Tk because it seems like a dying project. If this project is in a similar state could somebody please turn off the lights so others like myself don't end up wasting time working through the tutorials, 2) If the Gtk2-perl project still has some life in it, what work is ongoing for the tutorial? It seems to stop half-way through it. I've emailed the two guys listed a few days ago, one email seems defunct, the other is yet to reply. The tutorial is based on the C version that is about 6-7 years old. 3)If work is still ongoing on the tutorial, is there a date for an update?, If not, does anybody mind if I continue where the others left off? Who would I contact to send an updated version? 4)The last notice said that the project has been switch to svn. However svn has been depreciated on sourceforge. Is there a plan to change to git? Cheers Harris. -- that which does not kill us will give us six more weeks of winter, Nietzschean Groundhog Theory ___ FWIW, there is a newer Tkx project/set of modules and it is shipped by default by ActiveState. I also think that ActiveState Windows installer GUI is based on Tkx. Not that gtk-perl is worse, but just FYI. Regards, Sergei. ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
I agree with all that has been said. This is an active helpful group and you clearly have not reviewed the resources adequately. Another must is Grant McLeans wonderful gtk2-perl glade tutorial talk. http://gtk2-perl.sourceforge.net/links/ how can that web site not suffice? MItchell ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
Re: Is there anyone out there?
On May 13, 2009, at 8:39 AM, Cowley Harris wrote: 1) Is this project still going? Doesn't seem to be much (any) emails coming through on the mailing list. It's still going. However, the maintainers are volunteers and have other things to do in life, and the bindings are rather stable, so we're not exactly a hotbed of activity. 2) If the Gtk2-perl project still has some life in it, what work is ongoing for the tutorial? It seems to stop half-way through it. I've emailed the two guys listed a few days ago, one email seems defunct, the other is yet to reply. The tutorial is based on the C version that is about 6-7 years old. Again, it was a volunteer effort. 3)If work is still ongoing on the tutorial, is there a date for an update?, If not, does anybody mind if I continue where the others left off? Who would I contact to send an updated version? If you make a patch available here on the list, we'll get it committed. Looking around, i think the tutorial is still hosted on sourceforge, so that might require a bit of swizzling. :-/ 4)The last notice said that the project has been switch to svn. However svn has been depreciated on sourceforge. Is there a plan to change to git? http://git.gnome.org/cgit/perl-Gtk2/ -- me, while driving the car: Okay, girls, what do you want for lunch? yvonne: I wan' noo-tulls! zella: I want lavaloli! Can we go to the lavaloli store? me: Um, where *is* the ravioli store? zella: At the lavaloli store! yvonne: I want noo-tulls! Let's go to the noo-tull store! ___ gtk-perl-list mailing list gtk-perl-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gtk-perl-list
