Re: [guadec-list] Media Partner
On Monday 08 of July 2013 18:49:16, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > Debarshi Ray píše v Po 08. 07. 2013 v 14:53 +: > > > Rui, > > > I am afraid that we really need as much media support as possible. > > > About the free passes, we should issue as many as they need, probably one > > > to three. > > > > > > Basically, we will have to add these sites if we want them to add us as > > > well, and they are clearly supporting us. > > > > Having media support is one thing, and bending over backwards and > > begging for it is another. > > > > We already have 3 Czech media partners. LWN is probably going to cover > > it. That makes it 4. > > > > I am all for giving free passes, but please, lets not plaster the > > website with logos of everyone who claims to be a reporter. It is > > strange to have 5 sponsors and an equal or higher number of media > > partners. > > I think having 5-6 media partners is OK. As I said, we can make their > logos smaller if it makes a problem on the main page. But I agree with > Debarshi that we should be selective while choosing media partners. > > We've only been talking about conditions we have to fulfil, but I > haven't seen any conditions for media partners. Someone who writes one, > or even two articles about GUADEC is NOT a media partner. The > cooperation should be much deeper. Guys, it seems to me that one hand doesn't know what the other one is doing in your organization efforts. There IS quite a specific list of obligations that the media were asked to agree to. When Florian asked me to contact the three Czech magazines (ROOT.cz, AbcLinuxu.cz, LinuxEXPRES.cz) and ask them to be media partners, I requested a detailed list of obligations for both parties. When I was given this list, I approached the media, and they agreed. As I mentioned before, both Rui and Debarshi were a part of that discussion from the very beginning. Now, a week later, people start raising questions and concerns that should've been answered before any of that took place. I fear it is now much too late to start thinking of some sort of a coordinated media campaign. And, last but not least, it is too late to backtrack on the terms that you, GUADEC, put forward. Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Media Partner
On Monday 08 of July 2013 14:53:29, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Rui, > > I am afraid that we really need as much media support as possible. > > About the free passes, we should issue as many as they need, probably one > > to three. > > > > Basically, we will have to add these sites if we want them to add us as > > well, and they are clearly supporting us. > > Having media support is one thing, and bending over backwards and > begging for it is another. > > We already have 3 Czech media partners. LWN is probably going to cover > it. That makes it 4. > > I am all for giving free passes, but please, lets not plaster the > website with logos of everyone who claims to be a reporter. It is > strange to have 5 sponsors and an equal or higher number of media > partners. > > Lets put matters in perspective. LWN has covered GUADEC in the past, > and are likely to do so again this year. They come and silently do > their job without asking for much in return. The Czech media have not asked for anything. It was GUADEC who wanted them for partners. They were not the ones who set the terms of the partnership. > LWN is far more respectable and useful for us than any of these other > media outlets that we are talking about, and we are not even > acknowledging them while we are going crazy over some lesser > entities. I find this strange. Maybe you should have thought about _before_ you asked me to approach them on your behalf. Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Visa section
On Wednesday 29 of May 2013 12:04:56, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: > On Wed, 2013-05-29 at 13:36 +0200, Robert Kratky wrote: > > Dne St 29. května 2013 13:28:18, Florian Nadge napsal(a): > > > Hi Rui, > > > My experience is that this so called letter does not help. The Czech > > > embassy unusually asks to see the registration conformation. Sindhu had a > > > very bad basically lost a lot of money because she assumed that she could > > > travel when she could not. Maybe we could call this letter Confirmation of > > > Participation or something along these lines and make clear that this is > > > in > > > no way a guarantee to get a visa. > > > > > > Robert, > > > do you think this makes sense, can you send a letter of confirmation to > > > help along the visa process? > > > > > > > As I have said before, we have no problem with sending these letters. > > I'm quite sure that the letters won't be of any real help in the > > visa-application process (in my experience, the officials do not even > > read such letters - instead, they want to verify that the applicant > > has compelling reasons for returning back to their home country, such > > as family, career, studies, etc.). That, however, is another matter > > entirely, and I'm not the one to judge that. > > This can vary from people to people, even in the same embassy. Some are > asked for more documents, some others are not asked for any document at > all. Same with questions. > > I agree that the letter by themselves do not guarantee anything, it is > nice to have just in case. > > If we do not send invitation letters, we are going to be blamed for > rejections. If we send them, we are going to be blamed for rejections as > well. > > However, in the last 6 years we have been requested more than 60 > letters. In less than 5 cases the visa had been rejected, something I > can barely point the invitation letter as the cause. > > In any case, it is up to you and we will respect whatever you decide. Let me reiterate: we're happy to to send the letter to anyone who asks for it. I have the letter drafted -- it's ready, and it can go out first thing in the morning. Just let me know who wants it. Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] agreement with university
Dne St 29. května 2013 14:09:55, Jozef Mlich napsal(a): > Hi there, > > what is status of the agreement with university? > > I guess, it is not yet signed. > > Are there any questions to the agreement? Do we need something to know? > Is there something what can I do? Hi, as far as I know, we're still waiting for the final list of rooms, which needs to be a part of the contract. Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Visa section
Dne St 29. května 2013 13:28:18, Florian Nadge napsal(a): > Hi Rui, > My experience is that this so called letter does not help. The Czech > embassy unusually asks to see the registration conformation. Sindhu had a > very bad basically lost a lot of money because she assumed that she could > travel when she could not. Maybe we could call this letter Confirmation of > Participation or something along these lines and make clear that this is in > no way a guarantee to get a visa. > > Robert, > do you think this makes sense, can you send a letter of confirmation to > help along the visa process? > > Thanks, > > Florian As I have said before, we have no problem with sending these letters. I'm quite sure that the letters won't be of any real help in the visa-application process (in my experience, the officials do not even read such letters - instead, they want to verify that the applicant has compelling reasons for returning back to their home country, such as family, career, studies, etc.). That, however, is another matter entirely, and I'm not the one to judge that. So, again: if anybody wants to receive such letter, just give me their email address and name and I'll take care of it. Robert > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos < > tiagoma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Od: Florian Nadge > > > We had this discussion in this list and with Karen. She knows about the > > > status of these letters. From hard learned experience. I can say that > > these > > > letters give the wrong impression that we can help with the process when > > we > > > can not. People are quite upset if they are turned down. I would rather > > > have a short text giving the link Robert mentioned previously. > > > > I had a quick chat with German Poo who is in the Foundation Travel > > Committee and is generally knowledgeable about these things. > > > > He says the we can't, of course, send formal letters, which, as I > > understood, are the ones that basically guarantee that you get a visa > > unless you have a criminal record or something. The inviting person in > > that case basically takes all the legal responsibility for the invitee > > in that case. > > > > That's not what we do. > > > > What we can do is send a letter that will help people prove that they > > are coming for a conference and we know them basically. It help to > > prove, but they can still be turned down of course. > > > > So, seems to me that all your gripes, Florian, are that the current > > wording on the website suggests we can send out the former rather than > > the latter kind of invites? That's pretty easy to change. > > > > But I do want to do this anyway. German says that they've always > > managed to do it and it does help in some cases though possibly not > > all. > > > > Rui ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Keynote speakers brainstorming
Hi, I spoke to Vlastimil Ott, whom some of you have mentioned as a potential speaker during our last IRC meeting. He thanked you for the offer but declined, saying he would not have enough time to prepare a presentation with which he would feel comfortable. Robert On Tuesday 21 of May 2013 12:05:52, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > More ideas (when do we go from ideas to invitations? Who's doing the > invitations? Are we still using guadec-planning for "non-public" > conversations? I haven't seen any traffic from that list recently): > > On 05/21/2013 11:55 AM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > > Here are some suggestions: > > > > - Jan Wildeboer, http://wildeboer.net/, Red Hat > > Needs little introduction and can talk on a variety of topics. Based out > > of > > Munich. > > - Jaroslav Reznik, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik, Fedora > > Represents one of the downstream consumer of GNOME. Based out of Brno. > > - Someone (Florian Schiessl?) from LiMux, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux > > They are using KDE, but can still be interesting. Based out of Munich. > > - Someone from Mozilla > > Large free software project with a stronger brand than GNOME's -- surely > > we have something to learn from them. Also, the web is in vogue. > > - Someone from WebKit > > Same as above, but more closely affiliated to GNOME via WebKitGTK+. > > - Someone from GNOME (Lennart?) > > Can be a good to highlight some of the big things that we want to push > > through. eg., the application story. > > Last year we had a presentation from Yorba, one of GNOME's ISVs. Do we > have any other ISVs who we could invite? > > I'd suggest Mike Milinkovic from the Eclipse Foundation, to speak about > their experiences with GTK+ as a toolkit for Linux. > > Also VMware, Amazon and Adobe are GTK+ consumers. Some digging there > would likely turn up a promising keynote invitation. > > Are we looking for a designer again this year? Those are always my > favourite keynotes. I would love to get Ivanka Majic (ex Canonical) > along to talk about designing a desktop environment and ecosystem, and > her experiences with that. > > Cheers, > Dave. ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Local team meeting
Dne Pá 17. května 2013 09:30:07, Debarshi Ray napsal(a): > > I suggested doing a local team meeting to discuss pressing issues and > > get things moving in the last IRC meeting[1] so let's schedule it. > > > > I asked to a few people and they seemed to be OK with doing it next > > Monday, 20th, at 5pm. Is that OK? > > > > The place will probably be Taverna, the Greek restaurant near the Red > > Hat offices, unless there are better suggestions. > > In any case, Monday is fine with me. What about the others? Jiri, > Florian, Josef, Robert? Hi, unless absolutely necessary, I'd very much like to skip this. I have a conference to attend on Monday (in Prague). Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Regular IRC Meeting
On Wednesday 01 of May 2013 16:53:15, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote: > On 29 April 2013 15:51, Alexandre Franke wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Florian Nadge wrote: > >> Rui, > >> As I already suggested we should skip this week's meeting if there are no > >> urgent issues. > > > > Florian, Rui tried to make you aware of the fact that next week has a > > holiday on Wednesday too, but it seems you missed that. Skipping *two* > > weeks in a row might be a bit too much, hence Rui proposing a single > > meeting on another day. > > Right. > > > Rui, Friday would be fine for me too. > > Would next Tuesday (May 7) perhaps be better for everyone? Seeing as > Robert can't attend this Friday. > > Rui Hate to be a spoil-sport, but I wouldn't be able to attend on Tuesday either. Any other Tuesday, but not the next one. Tomorrow would be fine if anyone is interested... Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
Re: [guadec-list] Regular IRC Meeting
Dne Po 29. dubna 2013 15:28:53, Rui Tiago Cação Matos napsal(a): > On 29 April 2013 15:15, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > Friday works for me. Monday would be more difficult since I already have > > two Fedora meetings scheduled in the afternoon. > > Ok, so let's settle on this next Friday, May 3, at 14.30 UTC (16.30 > CEST) ? And the next regular meeting on May 15, i.e. back to the > regular Wednesdays schedule. > > Rui Hi, I won't be able to make it this Friday (ironically, I'm going to be in Brno at that time -- but busy). I'll send a report about the situation with local sponsors to the list. Robert ___ guadec-list mailing list guadec-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/guadec-list
